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| BoostisBetter | minute: do you know how many Reform Nexts have been ordered at this point? | 09:54 |
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| minute | BoostisBetter: if I didn't know, that would be bad :D | 10:24 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: does the amount surprise you, or fall right in line with what you were expecting? | 10:25 |
| minute | i think first batch will be around 400-450 units. would be nice to be able to do 500 and stock some | 10:25 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: the campaign did a bit better than i expected, because i assumed most people already have a laptop and it's harder to justify the buy. but i guess it's still unique enough to be special | 10:27 |
| [tj] | I thought crowdsupply helped over order to build stock? | 10:27 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: yeah that would be nice! I'm sure you will get additional sales once the enthusiatic reviews come out. I was looking at the crowdsupply page and the final amount seems too high for the amount of backers. So several bought more than one which is awesome. | 10:28 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: I think the performance parity with a thinkpad x230 is VERY significant because you can still use a x230 to do everything in computing today. | 10:29 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: plus the design coupled with the improved modularity just make the next a true coming of age improvement for the Reform. Really cool that all of thos improvements can be adopted by the Reform Classic as well. | 10:30 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: where are you letting WiFi signals escape? Is it with the display bezel? | 10:32 |
| minute | [tj]: yes. around 200 devices were backed | 10:32 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: thank you for the feedback! regarding wifi, there is an opening at the back of the main chassis. (behind keyboard basically). but i'll talk to an antenna specialist before finalizing the case | 10:33 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: awesome! | 10:34 |
| [tj] | minute: do you know an antenna specialist? | 10:34 |
| [tj] | the 2.4/5/6 combination is pretty strange for wifi | 10:35 |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 10:35 | |
| hramrach | The 'most people already have a laptop' does not seem to apply entirely. Like some people have one that is aging or did not get a reform in the previous campaigns for various other reasons. | 10:39 |
| minute | [tj]: well, someone reached out on fedi | 10:41 |
| minute | hramrach: yeah. | 10:42 |
| [tj] | great, I know some hams but I think their knowledge is all just smugness. schneider is probably the only person I know who has sufficient background to help, but I think you already know them | 10:42 |
| minute | [tj]: yeah | 10:50 |
| [tj] | I would quite like to write a network stack level wifi test suite, but I haven't convinced work that it is a good use of time yet | 10:51 |
| [tj] | oh, there is one by the pentoo linux people | 10:52 |
| [tj] | it associates sent packets from an ap with received packets to determine driver quality | 10:52 |
| minute | what i direly miss is some easy to use foss 3d wifi simulator/solver :D | 10:59 |
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| [tj] | cool, that is something I can look for | 11:02 |
| [tj] | a difficult to use non-free one is the first step :D | 11:02 |
| minute | https://www.ansys.com/applications/antenna-design-and-placement | 11:04 |
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| + ex-parrot (~fincham@user/ex-parrot) | 11:15 | |
| minute | we should probably look into antenna tuning | 11:18 |
| minute | because the enclosure materials and antenna placement detunes the antenna and so we lose some dB | 11:18 |
| cwebber | hi hi | 11:25 |
| cwebber | so a thing that happened previously is happening again with my pocket. it won't boot or charge after I let the battery drain for a long time | 11:26 |
| cwebber | (not the same thing as the purple screen flash issue) | 11:26 |
| cwebber | even the oled is not starting up | 11:27 |
| hramrach | how was it solved previously? | 11:27 |
| cwebber | last time I fixed this by visiting a friend who had a super high powered usb-c cable setup, I don't even know what it was, she joked "you can see the usb-c cables are serious because they're fat to get all the electricity through" | 11:27 |
| cwebber | well I don't know WHY but when I plugged it in it solved the issue | 11:27 |
| cwebber | alas, we are now in different countries so I will maybe try to reproduce by finding similarly high-powered USB-C stuff :P | 11:28 |
| cwebber | hopefully that will fix it again | 11:28 |
| hramrach | because their PSU can likely get 100W down that cable, and less powerful PSUs disable the port when there is too much power drawn | 11:28 |
| cwebber | well I guess that jumpstarted it | 11:29 |
| hramrach | the lower the charge the more power the laptop draws from the PSU, gnerally. | 11:29 |
| cwebber | well hopefully I can get it booted again because I did a bunch of work on restructuring years worth of org-mode backlog on a plane trip and I don't want to do it all over again | 11:31 |
| hramrach | there was some work on limiting the required power but that's accomplished by updating the firmware which would require the machine to be running | 11:31 |
| cwebber | I tried updating the firmware with the script a bit ago and it said it didn't match the firmware signature it expected so it backed out | 11:31 |
| cwebber | and then I didn't look into it more | 11:31 |
| josch | if it's a battery charging issue, would another workaround not be to either run the pocket without the batteries or to charge the batteries in another charger outside the pocket first? | 11:31 |
| hramrach | any PSU and cable that can do 100W should work, that's the upper limit of the USB PD specification. | 11:32 |
| cwebber | josch: oh is it possible to charge them outside the pocket? | 11:32 |
| cwebber | I suppose it would be. Is there information on how? | 11:32 |
| cwebber | that seems like the best way to fix things temporarily... | 11:32 |
| hramrach | that's also an option, any lipo charger with correct connector should work. Some links were posted earlier | 11:33 |
| [tj] | https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/adafruit-micro-lipo-usb-liion-lipoly-charger-v1?variant=351777251 | 11:34 |
| [tj] | or similar | 11:34 |
| josch | in the forum, some adafruit chargers were recommended to balance the cells: https://community.mnt.re/t/not-managing-to-charge-while-in-use/3096/11 | 11:34 |
| [tj] | that one has decided it doesn't want to let go of my battery so its getting to keep it until I have a new charger board | 11:34 |
| cwebber | https://www.adafruit.com/product/1905 looks nice enough | 11:35 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@107.159.71.33) | 11:47 | |
| hramrach | there is micro b and USB C variant as well | 11:57 |
| hramrach | https://www.adafruit.com/product/1904 | 11:57 |
| hramrach | https://www.adafruit.com/product/4410 | 11:58 |
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| hramrach | USB microbe connector :) | 12:00 |
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| cwebber | oh oh oh ooooh | 13:32 |
| cwebber | this is great news | 13:32 |
| cwebber | https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2025-03/msg00148.html | 13:33 |
| cwebber | guix on the reform! | 13:33 |
| frickler | cwebber: so you cannot even get the oled display to work when your charger is connected? | 13:35 |
| cwebber | frickler: it flickers on and then off almost immediately | 13:36 |
| frickler | too bad, then charging the cells externally sounds like the best option indeed. just make sure you charge them to the same level, else you might have trouble with balancing later | 13:38 |
| cwebber | interesting, ok! | 13:38 |
| cwebber | I mean, presumably the easiest way to do that is to charge them both to full :) | 13:38 |
| frickler | yes, but maybe you're not patient enough for that. if you happen to have a multimeter, charging to 3.8V should be enough to let them work in your pocket and let the builtin charger to its thing for what remains | 13:41 |
| frickler | it would also be interesting to know the current voltage reading, that's why I was asking about the oled in the first place | 13:41 |
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| BoostisBetter | I love the Pocket Reform. Just randomly saying that. | 16:04 |
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| vagrantc | josch: FYI https://bugs.debian.org/1050968 | 18:53 |
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| hramrach | :/ | 19:20 |
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| vagrantc | josch: thanks for nudging the u-boot delay into the new u-boot rk3588 packaging! I went ahead and built it using guix and installed it. | 19:56 |
| vagrantc | so much better than the u-boot that shipped on the rk3588 module! | 19:57 |
| vagrantc | I also noticed that there is a branch based on u-boot 2025.01 for rk3588 ... | 19:57 |
| vagrantc | i also wonder if it is needlessly complicated, I just grabbed the u-boot-rockchip.bin that was produced and did not need to run any of the boot_merge steps https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/-/blob/main/build.sh?ref_type=heads#L32 | 19:59 |
| vagrantc | and used upstream arm-trusted-firmware ... i suspect the packaging in Debian would work as well. | 20:00 |
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| reform15794 | list -public | 21:29 |
| reform15794 | list -PUBLIC | 21:30 |
| reform15794 | list -ALL | 21:30 |
| reform15794 | q | 21:30 |
| reform15794 | list | 21:30 |
| reform15794 | quit | 21:30 |
| reform15794 | exit | 21:30 |
| reform15794 | EXIT | 21:31 |
| reform15794 | BYE | 21:31 |
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| jfred | oh my | 21:35 |
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