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| josch | vagrantc: do you have a recipe to let qemu boot linux via u-boot? That might allow adding some test cases. | 01:15 |
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| vagrantc | josch: not off the top of my head, but is in theory possible | 01:19 |
| josch | vagrantc: we have autopkgtests for other packages that boot debian inside qemu -- if you can find out how to boot u-boot, then this can be set up to make sure we don't break things | 01:20 |
| vagrantc | josch: right | 01:22 |
| josch | vagrantc: and starting with Trixie, these qemu VMs can even be created to be bit-by-bit reproducible which makes it even easier to reproduce things | 01:23 |
| vagrantc | nice! | 01:23 |
| josch | yay :) | 01:24 |
| vagrantc | presumably someone wanted the u-boot-qemu package for a reason ... | 01:25 |
| josch | should've added the autopkgtest for u-boot-qemu back when the package was created :) | 01:26 |
| vagrantc | qemu-system-arm -machine virt -nographic -bios /usr/lib/u-boot/qemu_arm/u-boot.bin ... gets me as far as a u-boot prompt | 01:31 |
| josch | vagrantc: seems to have network... could load something via tftp | 01:39 |
| josch | i didn't manage to let it be able to see any sata or pci disks | 01:39 |
| vagrantc | and has worse luck with qemu-system-aarch64 | 01:54 |
| vagrantc | huh. guess i could set up the imx8mq module as a standalone system ... | 01:57 |
| vagrantc | hrm. dkms module is not working to monitor the battery ... although i think that might have been before i upgraded too | 02:00 |
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| hramrach | the arm64 has -M options like cubieboard or vexpress, these should be compatible with some u-boot build | 10:19 |
| hramrach | the generic virtualized hardware, on the ohter hand, may need some work in u-boot to get support | 10:20 |
| josch | the problem with using machines other than virt I have found is, that you then use kvm acceleration -- at least i have not figured out how to make it work | 10:24 |
| hramrach | I don't think you need KVM acceleration to test u-boot menu | 10:37 |
| hramrach | but yes, there might be a problem with getting the wrong CPU model for the machine with acceleration | 10:37 |
| josch | we don't want to just test u-boot-menu though. We want to test the full distro. For example, we want to be able to check whether installing u-boot-menu on bookworm and then upgrading to trixie breaks anything. | 10:37 |
| hramrach | which may or may not be a problem for the feature you want to test | 10:37 |
| hramrach | yes, the upgarde yould be time consuming without acceleratio, a lot of compression/decompression going on there | 10:38 |
| josch | we also have a setup of openQA which could be used for such a thing but then finding the time to implement this... | 10:39 |
| hramrach | sounds like getting u-boot support for the arm64 virt hardware would be beneficial both for this particular test and u-boot testing in general but would require some effort, possibly non-trivial. Normally the virt machine uses edk2 | 10:47 |
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| josch | PSA: use loctite. everywhere. | 19:58 |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 19:58 | |
| josch | the reform makes a very faint sound when turning it around. It usually comes from the choc brown switches of the keyboard. | 19:59 |
| josch | today the sound when getting it out of the backpack was slightly different | 19:59 |
| josch | so i turned it around (there was the sound!) and had a look through the acrylic but spotted nothing odd | 19:59 |
| josch | i turned it around again and the sound was back | 19:59 |
| josch | since this was not the first time this happened, i didn't turn it but looked through the acrylic from the bottom | 20:00 |
| josch | and there was one of the M2x5 screws happily rolling around on the acrylic while the machine was compiling some large c++ project... | 20:00 |
| josch | it was one of the motherboard screws, the one near the hdmi plug | 20:01 |
| josch | this is a DIY reform | 20:01 |
| josch | so it took that screw 2 years to wiggle itself loose | 20:01 |
| josch | and the last time i applied loctite i did not remove the motherboard | 20:01 |
| josch | next time... | 20:01 |
| josch | at least nothing seems to have been shorted... | 20:02 |
| BoostisBetter | very lucky! Happy nothing bad happened. | 20:05 |
| josch | phew... | 20:06 |
| L29Ah | don't forget to coat your mobo with varnish | 20:28 |
| L29Ah | and grease all the connectors | 20:28 |
| L29Ah | for water resistance if anything | 20:28 |
| josch | there are these thinkpads where, if you pour liquid on the keyboard it runs out at the bottom | 20:30 |
| josch | right now, the reform works the same :D | 20:30 |
| L29Ah | was it verified to work with a cup full of water? :> | 20:30 |
| josch | it was verified with a thousand little breadcrumbs, dust and hair acting as a liquid-simulator | 20:31 |
| L29Ah | this is extremely high viscosity liquid, i don't think it qualifies if your experiment is shorter than a hundred of years | 20:31 |
| L29Ah | i have thinkpad x201 and poured some soup on it, it got to mobo in a couple of places despite the precautionary design | 20:32 |
| josch | i sped up my experiment by routinely violent shaking in my backpack | 20:32 |
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| vagrantc | where are the mnt/reform kernels coming from? i have browsed most of the repositories in https://source.mnt.re/reform but have yet to find them ... | 21:00 |
| vagrantc | (i mean, i did not look in the blender* ones but ...) | 21:01 |
| josch | vagrantc: depends on your apt sources | 21:04 |
| josch | vagrantc: the ones from https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo come from the latest successful gitlab CI pipeline run of the reform-debian-packages project | 21:05 |
| vagrantc | ideally looking for patches that apply to linux 6.12 or 6.13 | 21:05 |
| josch | vagrantc: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/tree/main/linux/patches6.12 | 21:07 |
| vagrantc | https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/tree/main/linux/patches6.12?ref_type=heads | 21:07 |
| vagrantc | :) | 21:07 |
| josch | vagrantc: i have a merge request for 6.13 but that one is not in unstable yet https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/81 | 21:07 |
| vagrantc | wow, that is a tiny number of patches | 21:07 |
| vagrantc | oh, it is subdirectories :) | 21:08 |
| josch | haha | 21:08 |
| vagrantc | well rk35898 + imx8mq are still a reasonable number of patches | 21:09 |
| josch | vagrantc: rk3588 are an order of magnitude more than imx8mq | 21:11 |
| vagrantc | are the .dtb files at https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/tree/main/linux just there for convenience, and building a kernel with the patches applied should produce those .dtb files (in theory, when the wind blows the right way) | 21:12 |
| josch | vagrantc: the dtb files are copied into the tree | 21:13 |
| vagrantc | josch: that makes sense, it is an order of magnitude faster! :) | 21:13 |
| josch | vagrantc: only for imx8mq did i prepare a patch that applies to upstream | 21:13 |
| josch | vagrantc: reason for that is that only imx8mq classic reform dtb is in upstream linux | 21:13 |
| vagrantc | so the patches do not contain the device-tree bits to generate the .dtb?A | 21:13 |
| josch | vagrantc: the patches sometimes patch a dtsi | 21:14 |
| josch | vagrantc: but the only direct patch for a dts is in this MR: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/84 | 21:14 |
| josch | but apparently that introduces a regression where audio recording via mic-in doesn't work anymore | 21:15 |
| josch | i don't have a microphone here, so i cannot test that | 21:15 |
| vagrantc | 185 files changed, 20901 insertions(+), 1520 deletions(-) ... that is arguably somewhat reasonable. :) | 21:24 |
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| minute | josch: btw not sure if you know that we do offer screws with nylon coating! | 22:23 |
| josch | i do and i keep trying to remember to put them into my next order XD | 22:24 |
| josch | i'll put them into my desktop reform case order :) | 22:24 |
| minute | nice :D i ordered all the test pcbs and some aluminum top plates for it today | 22:44 |
| josch | \o/ | 22:45 |
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