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| minute | josch: i just remembered another topic to address during the gnome integration, which is the problematic packagekit-offline-update.service https://community.mnt.re/t/gnome-integration-notes-issue-tracking/3168 | 13:13 |
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| josch | minute: yes, unfortunately i have little personal experience with that as i have not used gnome for a very long time myself | 13:18 |
| josch | and on friends and family computers i usually install mate or kde even | 13:18 |
| josch | and thus it was only yesterday that i found ot that starting with debian bookworm, the default installation does not come with the unattended-upgrades package anymore | 13:19 |
| josch | and instead the gnome packagekit integration is used for upgrades | 13:19 |
| josch | i can imagine that this makes sense for Debian stable as upgrades are few and usually small | 13:19 |
| josch | but we are running unstable and i'm tempted to completely disable automatic upgrades | 13:20 |
| josch | minute: also re "In the About screen in Settings, the “Processor” field is empty, also “System Details” has no mention of the device model.": https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libgtop/-/issues/66 | 13:21 |
| josch | gnome-control-center uses libgtop to figure out system information which in turn uses /proc/cpuinfo which is mostly for many arm platforms | 13:22 |
| josch | oh there is also a gnome-control-center issue: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/issues/2069 | 13:22 |
| minute | ah yes, i can see how that makes sense for stable vs unstable | 13:22 |
| minute | josch: we can probably mask the packagekit-offline-update.service by default somehow? or could there be a cleaner way (a setting?) | 13:23 |
| minute | as we'll preinstall gnome, the packagekit package will be there and configured, so we can mask it after the fact during the image build process i assume | 13:24 |
| josch | yes, masking it is no problem | 13:27 |
| josch | i just asked in #debian-next if there is maybe another solution | 13:27 |
| minute | nice | 13:27 |
| minute | heh, #debian-next redirects to #debian for me | 13:27 |
| josch | on OFTC | 13:28 |
| minute | oh :D | 13:36 |
| josch | no worries, you missed nothing :) | 13:37 |
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| josch | minute: you maybe saw werdahias's offer in #debian-next to co-maintain the required package. I'm now installing Debian testing on BoostisBetter's imx8mq Reform using debian-installer to get an idea what the default behaviour with regards to package upgrades will be in Trixie. I wonder what the effects of masking packagekit-offline-update.service. I hope we have some package which does the upgrades while | 19:12 |
| josch | Gnome is running? I also asked our Gnome maintainer how this is supposed to work and maybe that can shed some light on the situation. I want to figure out how packages like gnome-package-updater are involved and if it comes to it, we can just build the package "update-notifier" from Ubuntu in the MNT gitlab CI pipeline. It builds fine on Debian with only minimal changes. | 19:12 |
| josch | So we'll probably know more soon. When this packagekit update happened during a boot over here I was also massively annoyed... | 19:13 |
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| josch | minute: does https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo not update the repository at every full hour? The most recent run of reform-debian-packages finished 24 minutes ago but the new package versions are not in the mntre.com repo | 20:07 |
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| josch | it is so satisfying to install debian unstable with a patched debian installer, then reboot and it *just* works (on imx8mq classic reform) | 21:05 |
| josch | gdm pops up, entering password, bam there is gnome | 21:06 |
| josch | like it's just another normal laptop :D | 21:06 |
| ch | always great when things just work | 21:11 |
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| josch | lol and the first time i open top on that machine i see "gnome-software" eating 100% of the cpu XD | 21:38 |
| hramrach | just like a normal laptop :) | 21:52 |
| josch | err... yay! XD | 21:55 |
| minute | josch: i'll check | 21:56 |
| josch | minute: thank you, it still has not picked up the latest run | 21:56 |
| minute | josch: it's supposed to run every hour yeah... lets see | 21:58 |
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| minute | no mail for root! i'll try to run it manually as well | 21:58 |
| minute | > REFORM_TOOLS_BRANCH is not main, so not deploying. | 21:59 |
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| minute | josch: is that still how you expect it to be? | 21:59 |
| josch | minute: uh very nice safety check! | 22:00 |
| josch | minute: my last commit deleted the REFORM_TOOLS_BRANCH variable which is useless now that reform-tools is from Debian unstable | 22:00 |
| minute | josch: ah, should i remove this safety check? | 22:08 |
| josch | minute: yes, that variable is gone for good | 22:09 |
| minute | josch: ok, deployed | 22:10 |
| josch | noice! | 22:10 |
| minute | josch: btw thanks for the research into the offline updating situation, i'm looking fwd to hear more | 22:11 |
| minute | but now, feierabend | 22:11 |
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