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fricklerjosch: nice, do you already have a new system image to test for me?07:53
chhttps://lore.kernel.org/u-boot/20250223-vop2-pt2-v2-0-71350e482970@riseup.net/ would be nice if that would land08:21
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joschfrickler: no, so far, it's just that single change and nothing more09:33
joschfrickler: so you can just copy the script to your sd-card and test it that way09:34
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joschhuh... something went wrong with my potentiometer mod...11:47
joschmy reform now only draws 32 W and never more. I investigated and the resistance across R8 seems to be stuck at 4.7 kOhm11:47
joschi removed the 100 kOHm SMD resistor and even with out it, there is some resistance between the pins. 4.7 kOhm also about fits the 31 W that my reform now is limited to11:48
joschi cleaned the pcb and cannot find something that looks odd: https://mister-muffin.de/p/J-9v.jpg11:48
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joschi wonder what could've gone wrong... any ideas on what i could investigate to get to the bottom of this?11:50
kensanataThis morning I had a mechanical problem (?) with my Pocket Reform. The mouse pointer wouldn't move! But if I touched the track ball, it appeared and moved for a pixel or so.12:02
kensanataThe solution turned out to be turning the laptop upside down and shaking it a bit.12:03
kensanataWhatever was wrong fixed itself.12:03
[tj]dust!12:09
kensanataProbably. :(12:21
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[tj]my ploopy needs cleaned out every so often12:25
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abortretryfailjosch: the chip (LTC4020) measures the voltage on that pin. Measuring the resistance between the two pads you might be reading resistor(s) elsewhere in the circuit or inside the chip.13:35
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abortretryfaillooking at your photo i see there's either a hair or a tiny strand of wire next to Q1, that could be touching something.13:37
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joschabortretryfail: huh i haven't noticed -- i need a magnifying glass....13:54
abortretryfailWithout knowing what the circuit inside the chip is, it's hard to predict how leaving the resistor open like that will make it behave. 13:56
joschthe behaviour was the same with the 100k smd resistor still there -- something must be connecting these13:57
joschbut as you say, measuring the resistance is tricky because i'm reading resistance elsewhere13:58
abortretryfailWhat's the voltage on them? 13:58
joschi didn't measure volatage. I'll do that next time i take my unit apart13:58
joschabortretryfail: in your experiments, did you measure voltage with the expected results?13:59
abortretryfailNo, I just did the math, ordered a resistor, and soldered it on top of the existing R8 13:59
joschokay :)13:59
joschi have my potentiometer connected and it *did* make a difference initially13:59
joschi don't know what changed but it suddenly stopped doing the thing it did do successfully which is letting me select the power draw from 10 W up to 60 W14:00
abortretryfailWith that part of the circuit *open* the chip might be measuring voltage from leakage inside the chip or something. That's part of why you don't want to leave pins floating if the manufacturer's circuit says to ground them or have something there.14:00
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[tj]this appears to charge the pocket batteries https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/adafruit-micro-lipo-usb-liion-lipoly-charger-v1?variant=35177725114:09
[tj]I am struggling to get the jst connect to let go of the battery14:09
[tj]this doesn't seem to work https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/19358922470614:10
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joschabortretryfail: the pins are definitely connected which i can easily test by turning the poti all the way down to 0 Ohm at which point it draws 10 W. Turning the poti up though gives me a maximum power draw of 31 W where before it went up to 60 W and i have no explanation. :(14:34
joschi was unable to measure anything though because my multimeter cable decided to fall apart just now...14:35
joschi took the photo with the pins floating to get a cleaner documentation of the current status. I cleaned again to no avail though...14:36
joschwell, should i not find the issue, 30 W charging is not too bad14:36
joschcould be worse :D14:36
abortretryfailweird14:38
abortretryfailI just did some math and the 0.02 ohm sense resistor (R177) should set the thing to 2.5A, 70W at 28V, which explains why it was giving 65W USB-C chargers so much trouble.14:39
abortretryfailjosch: check elsewhere on the board and make sure you didn't drop a tiny ball of solder or a thread of wire somewhere.14:40
joschwill do but if that were the case i am happy that nothing more blew up XD14:41
joschI also followed Lukas' suggestion to use magnet wire which looks waaaaay safer as far as the pads are concerned14:42
abortretryfailAs long as you have some where the varnish insulation isn't a nightmare to remove. Some of them just burn off with the soldering iron, others you have to scrape off with sandpaper and it's a pain in the neck.14:43
joschbut on the other hand it also feels waaaay more dangerous when one just sees "bare" copper cables randomly touhing components XD14:43
joschright, mine easily came off with the heat of the soldering iron14:43
abortretryfailYou can get it in different colors. I've seen red and green.14:43
abortretryfailThe red one I have though... ugh.14:44
abortretryfailI built an open source radio kit last year and had to wind little toroid cores for transformers with the stuff.14:44
joschoh that sounds like "fun" XD14:45
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mhoyeHave there been recent updates available for uBoot on the classic reformB14:50
mhoye?14:50
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abortretryfailFor the original imx8mq processor?15:03
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blueriseminute: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-rockchip/174126874161.670332.12638948694058332407.b4-ty@sntech.de/T/#t15:17
bluerise\o/15:17
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joschbluerise: niiiiice! Once that releases, we can turn our dts copy in reform-debian-packages into a minimal patch (if necessary) and we can also finally merge rk3588 reform support with flash-kernel \o/15:23
joschdone: https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/flash-kernel/-/merge_requests/6715:28
minutebluerise: extremely awesome, thank you!15:32
minutejosch: happy to hear you moved to magnet wire ^^15:33
blueriseminute: note that upstream is missing a few hdmi pieces15:56
blueriseso we'll have to patch a few things and you might have to fix a few things :)15:56
minutebluerise: right 15:58
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vagrantccongrats on getting the rk3588-mnt-reform2 device-tree into the kernel :)17:14
grimmware<3 congrats!17:15
vagrantcjosch: i did have a chance to confirm the weirdness with u-boot-menu ... what a mess. :/17:16
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joschvagrantc: well, at least i'm happy that my observations are not a problem between person and chair but that you are able to see the issue as well :)17:33
joschwait... errr... between keyboard and chair XD17:35
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vagrantcworks fine when standing17:39
josch:D17:40
vagrantcjosch: will follow up on the bug itself17:40
joschthank you!17:40
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bluerisevagrantc: \o/19:38
blueriseI'm quite happy19:38
bluerisetook long enough lol19:38
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vagrantcbluerise: huge thanks :)21:03
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