2025-02-28.log

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irimi1josch: to blacklist the qcacld2 module in there, too, so i don’t have two drivers competing for the external wifi card i installed.12:56
chyou can blacklist it in a new file though12:59
+ gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-52-87.bbcust.telenor.se)13:02
chi wish wifi would work better, should have brought a screwdriver13:09
chand clicky was a mistake13:09
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joschch: you have a pocket with white switches?13:25
chyes13:26
chnot sure why i thought that was a good idea13:27
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joschch: trying to write in the train or similar?13:29
chindeed, am on a train now13:30
chotoh "everybody" is having a phone call in the quiet area13:31
gl0bhah,yeah the clicky switches were very nice, but i immediately regretted my decision when sat next to my wife who was trying to watch tv13:50
[tj]my wife said "that is very satisfying to type on"14:09
joschmy second classic reform trackball came with white switches -- i immediately replaced them with brown ones XD14:11
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minutech: we can get you a red switch keyboard15:25
gl0bor you can do what i did and spend hours desoldering the white switches ;)15:32
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grimmwareanyone know how to set the countdown in uboot to actually give me a chance to interrupt autoboot?15:59
grimmwareI'm assuming maybe I could add `setenv bootdelay 3` in boot.scr but I know nothing about u-boot16:05
grimmwareor use `mkimage` to decompile it, then modify, then compile it again?16:07
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joschgrimmware: rebuild u-boot?16:08
joschgrimmware: pocket reform with rk3588?16:09
joschoh wait, for that target CONFIG_BOOTDELAY is set to *zero*?16:09
joschgrimmware: can you confirm?16:09
joschon the other platforms it's set to 1 second16:10
+ natalie (~natalie@user/natalie)16:10
joschseems that was a deliberate change made by minute in 14aed286a2c444331c42c2d2670209e5dc80b9a016:10
joschminute: maybe the bootdelay should be the same on all platforms for consistent behaviour and to avoid surprises?16:13
grimmwarejosch: it certainly seems that way when I try to interrupt over serial16:17
grimmwarecan you confirm how I'd check?16:17
joschgrimmware: if you are connected via serial you should not see any countdown during the boot process16:18
grimmwareit basically shows countdown 016:18
joschokay, yes seems that is intended behaviour and to change it, you can build your own u-boot blob16:19
grimmware`Hit any key to stop autoboot:  0` with no discernible pause16:19
joschright, you need to rebuild your u-boot with CONFIG_BOOTDELAY set to something other than 016:20
grimmwareokay16:20
grimmwareso not something that can be configured in boot.scr?16:20
joschmaybe you can script something in boot.scr but it depends on what you ultimately want to do16:22
gordon1grimmware: there is a bit involved way to change the uboot environment using u-boot-tools throught fw_setenv, but in this case you should be able to boot the actual linux through this u-boot or be able to plug the medium into another computer16:22
gordon1and you need to know the offset for u-boot env16:22
chminute: heh. that'd be nice yeah. if you also have some parts to run a non-cased pocket w/o display that'd be useful too (for fw stuff)16:23
grimmwareI literally just want to be able to get the u-boot console in serial so I can play around with booting one of the older kernels I have installed16:24
grimmwareshould exporting the `CONFIG_BOOTDELAY` in build.sh for https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot be enough?16:27
joschgrimmware: why not use extlinux.conf?16:27
joschgrimmware: no, you CONFIG_BOOTDELAY is not an environment variable, you change the respective line in mnt-pocket-reform-rk3588_defconfig16:28
joschgrimmware: this might be an XY problem. If what you want to do is selecting which kernel to boot via serial, then you might want to consider ditching boot.scr in favour of extlinux.conf16:29
grimmwareI'm really just trying to put myself in a situation where I don't feel like a dumb idiot when I need to test for a kernel regression. Being able to get interactive u-boot seemed like a good path toward that.16:31
grimmwareit seemed like the path that would involve least going down the wrong rabbit hole for a long amount of time before realizing I'm doing the wrong thing16:32
joschgrimmware: when i want to bisect linux i use extlinux.conf. You can of course also go into the u-boot shell but i find editing extlinux.conf and then re-using it for subsequent boots or selecting entries from it via serial more pleasant than having to write commands on the u-boot shell16:34
grimmwaredo you have any reference material on doing so?16:35
joschi just install u-boot-menu16:35
joschusing hooks this automatically edits /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf to add my new kernel16:36
joschbut you can also edit it manually: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8530efc8/16:36
joschin contrast to boot.scr you can use a normal text editor16:36
joschbecause it's just text and doesn't have the annoying binary checksum at the beginning like boot.scr does16:36
grimmwareokay cool! This looks like what I wanted!16:37
joschnice16:37
joschextlinux should really be the default16:37
grimmwareyeah it really should!16:37
joschthe reason it is not are classic reform users which did not upgrade their u-boot16:37
grimmwareI didn't realize it was going to be as simple as installing a package16:37
joschthank vagrantc :)16:38
grimmwareokay well it's now no longer booting. Serial output gets as far as `Starting kernel ...` but never proceeds further and the screen doesn't come on16:43
joschgrimmware: simple fix is to edit your bootargs and to add loglevel=716:45
joschbut you cannot do that because the bootdelay is 016:46
joschminute: i was facing a similar issue today, loglevel=3 might be nice from a user perspective but it's not nice when you are debugging a problem16:46
joschminute: and it's even worse when your system is not booting (like for grimmware) and you cannot even enter the u-boot shell because the boot delay is zero16:47
joschgrimmware: then your next step is flashing a vanilla system image and booting that16:47
grimmwarethis is pretty much exactly why I wanted to solve the bootdelay problem first16:48
joschgrimmware: how did you end up with the non-booting system -- did you just install u-boot-menu and then rebooted?16:49
grimmwareyeah16:49
joschthen i'm looking very much forward to your loglevel=7 output once you fixed the bootdelay16:50
joschi'd build a fixed u-boot blob and flash that from a system image16:50
josch <= afk for ~20 minutes16:50
grimmwarewell I've just proven it's a regression SOMEWHERE that's stopped `dpms power on` from working because I found my old install media for when I migrated to rk3588 and it can power off and power on the display with no problems16:59
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joschgrimmware: you can find some instructions on how to bisect linux quickly in the README of reform-debian-packages17:17
grimmwarecool, thanks17:17
grimmwarefwiw I moved /boot/extlinux to /boot/extlinux.bak from my rescue image to get back to my normal system, I'm now building u-boot in a bookwork podman container because some of the build dependencies aren't present on unstable and that's how it's built in CI17:18
joschgrimmware: can you give me more details about the problem you faced?17:20
+ chomwitt1 (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a13:5400:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)17:21
grimmwaresure, firstly `python3-distutils python3-distutils-extra` don't exist17:22
grimmwareand the error from build output (without having installed those deps): https://paste.debian.net/1357966/17:23
joschgrimmware: that's okay. The build should succeed without those two17:23
joschuuuh that's a good one17:24
grimmwarealso from the bookworm containerised build: https://paste.debian.net/1357968/17:25
grimmwareso that's failing too17:25
grimmwarein that container I installed all package deps and just ran ./build.sh17:26
joschgrimmware: you are building on arm64?17:26
minutejosch: i agree. but we need to find an alternative to tuigreet then17:26
grimmwareyeah I'm building on my pocket17:26
joschminute: if i had to choose i'd more strongly favour a bootdelay of more than zero17:27
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joschminute: because then i can change the loglevel if i need to17:27
minutejosch: well, if the boot cannot be interrupted then that is a bug17:27
grimmware^ same17:27
joschminute: ah okay, i thought your change was intentional17:27
minutei.e. it wasn't intentional 17:27
joschthen lets revert that17:27
minutei thought the delay and the interruption-ability were two different things17:28
joschshould be fixed here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/-/merge_requests/617:30
joschgrimmware: next i want to try and reproduce your build failures17:31
joschminute: could you enable CI for https://source.mnt.re/josch/reform-rk3588-uboot?17:31
joschgrimmware: with CI enabled you could grab a u-boot blob from there for now17:31
joschunless of course we get the same problem in CI :D17:32
grimmwarejosch: yeah will do!17:32
grimmwarefwiw I've actually printed a new side panel today that allows you to connect dupont cables next to the headphone jack that are internally connected to the uart17:35
grimmwareI'll share some images later, actually need to iterate again because I forgot to countersink the screw holes17:36
joschvery practical mod that17:37
[tj]grimmware: you could put a magnetic connector there17:37
grimmware[tj]: I'll print you one and post it along with the case that I finished printing today17:39
[tj]sorry I was looking for a link and got distracted by aliexpress bundle deals17:40
[tj]like these https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005005697060673.html17:42
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hramrachnice pogonnectors but maybe I would prefer at least one side to have the contacts more sunk into the connector18:00
[tj]I'm sure you could find what you want, thats just what I had in my order history18:00
grimmwarewell never fear because I'm not going to do it anyway because I have already solved my problem :P18:12
hramrachthat's the thing, the connectora I wanted is in the pictures but not in the connector selection18:13
+ BoostisBetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com)18:17
minutejosch: ok, runner assigned18:22
minutegrimmware: ah nice @ side panel18:23
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joschminute: thank you! job succeeded18:25
joschgrimmware: you can download the artifacts: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/-/merge_requests/618:25
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grimmwarenice, how do I flash?18:27
joschgrimmware: either you manually dd it or you put the image into /boot/boot.scr and then use reform-flas-uboot --offline emmc18:28
joscherrr18:29
joschwat18:29
joschmy brain today...18:29
joschgrimmware: either you manually dd it or you put the image into /boot/flash.bin and then use reform-flash-uboot --offline emmc18:29
joschthe --offline flag will avoid downloading the latest u-boot and will instead flash what is in /boot/flash.bin18:29
grimmwaregotcha, I'll do the latter18:29
joschoh there is a checksum check...18:30
joschyou could manually rewrite the script18:30
joschor wait until i add the functionality of "flash this custom file instead"18:30
joschi could do this tonight18:30
joschand you could be my guinea pig :)18:30
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grimmwareI mean the checksum looks to be unset in the script unless it's sourcing from elsewhere in which case I should just be able to export the variable and then run the script...18:34
grimmwarelol no that did not work18:35
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joschgrimmware: just uncomment the check for now if you are in a rush18:39
grimmwareI've flashed successfully and now have uboot console18:40
grimmwareI'll restore extlinux now and have a go at getting that debug log18:42
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grimmwareokay, figured out how to boot from boot.scr manually from uboot, so that's a really good start at least19:48
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grimmwareOkay well that's interesting, I set the loglevel to 7 in extlinux and it still produces no further output after "Starting kernel ..."19:53
grimmwareso something must be quite wrong in the default generated config19:54
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joschgrimmware: where did you set loglevel=7?20:10
grimmwarereplaced `loglevel=3` everywhere in extlinux.conf20:10
grimmwareI've just done a manual boot from uboot using boot.scr as reference so I have some ideas of where to look now20:10
joschhrm... that should've worked...20:11
grimmwareyeah the bootargs look correct too...20:15
grimmwareis there anything different about how bootargs are passed to extlinux.conf and  boot.scr?20:15
grimmwareAH!20:17
grimmwareJust compared with yours, the fdts are missing20:17
grimmwareyeah now we're cooking20:20
grimmwarejosch: okay so that's probably a bug, I installed `u-boot-menu` and it rendered my system unbootable (without intervention) because it didn't configure the dtbs20:25
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helgomanHi, I'm new in the mnt-reform world and I'm interested in this nice piece of hardware :-) I have a question about the OS; will mnt reform next will run *BSD, too? What about OpenSUSE?20:31
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grimmwareEYYYYY, I've confirmed it *is* a kernel regression20:35
grimmwarejosch: looks like I'm going bisecting!20:35
grimmwareokay, learned a whole bunch and made an adapter, good day20:39
grimmwarejosch: thank you for all your help and advice20:39
grimmwareminute: thank you for unblocking josch's build20:39
minutegrimmware: sure thing!20:39
minutehelgoman: that mainly depends on *bsd support for rk3588. i'm not sure what the current status of that is20:40
minutehelgoman: opensuse should be possible either by booting through edk2 or extlinux depending on how new their kernel is/if it has enough of the collabora rk3588 patches yet20:41
hramrachhelgoman: there was somebody running OpenBSD I think - see the channel logs. Somebody is building reform-tools in OBS but that's quite a long way to working openSUSE. It would be much easier if there was an eeprom for storing the u-boot and DTB, and the u-boot provided the EFI interface but the boot process is very fiddly on Reform.20:42
hramrachThere are no mnt-specifica patches in the openSUSE kernel but a mechanism for building kernel with custom patches in OBS is provied: https://github.com/openSUSE/kernel-source/blob/master/doc/README.SUSE#L34120:44
grimmwarepretty sure I can see what range of commits it's gonna be too20:47
grimmwareokay this is good, this is very empowering20:47
grimmwareand I built tools to do it as well20:48
grimmwarehell yes20:48
grimmwaretime to go find dinner and space out20:48
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minutegrimmware: very nice20:56
minutefeierabend here, too20:56
joschgrimmware: you probably ran into this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=109197920:58
joschgrimmware: have fun bisecting -- shout if you need any help :)20:58
joschmaybe vagrantc comes online some time tonight21:07
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joschgrimmware: "by default, extlinux.conf does not have fdt nor fdtdir entries" me this january: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2025-01-02.log.html#t22:21:1021:11
joschgrimmware: this should not matter if u-boot sets $fdtfile21:15
joschgrimmware: could you send me a printenv in u-boot console or just add yours here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/wikis/u-boot21:15
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+ L29Ah (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah)21:59
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minutebtw anyone tried panvk on a311d yet?22:45
joschi always wonder with what software to try out vulkan22:47
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