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| minute | josch: ohhh what can you do over cec? | 11:12 |
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| josch | i'm able to control kodi with my tv remote | 11:16 |
| josch | so my infrared remote sends the up/down left/right enter/back keys to my TV and my TV sends those via HDMI to kodi running on a311d on motherboard 2.0 | 11:17 |
| josch | i bought another a311d plus adapter board from forum user moep and now this is my kodi setup: https://community.mnt.re/uploads/default/original/2X/f/fafdc42652b18466513542807663dbce68d18e7f.jpeg | 11:19 |
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| minute | josch: ohh neat | 12:14 |
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| josch | minute: now i just need the reform motherboard enclosure so that this thing also looks good :) | 12:43 |
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| ch | the psu is also lovely :) | 12:46 |
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| josch | ch: I already switched that out for something that has the form factor of a pico-psu | 12:56 |
| josch | this one: https://www.reichelt.com/de/en/shop/product/inter-tech_mini-itx_psu_160_w-354589 | 12:56 |
| josch | so now the setup is fanless again | 12:56 |
| josch | f_: it was also funny because i read the kodi wiki page about CEC and it said that normal computers don't have it but some ARM boards support it and i was like "pffff what are the chances???" and just for the giggles i pressed buttons on the infrared remote of my tv and suddenly the things in kodi happened XD | 12:57 |
| josch | so cool! :D | 12:57 |
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| digitalrane | you can probably also configure the reform-tv to control your tv too :) | 13:03 |
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| josch | digitalrane: in what way can i control my tv? | 13:04 |
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| bluerise | minute: ok, thanks! that also makes things bit easier with continuing the patch submission. | 14:49 |
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| hramrach | IIRC CEC makes it possible to turn the TV on and off. | 15:43 |
| josch | woooah that would be big! | 15:44 |
| josch | okay, so kodi something in settings->power saving->put display to sleep when idle -- lets see what happens! | 15:48 |
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| minute | neat+cheap solution for charging single pocket reform battery cells https://community.mnt.re/t/not-managing-to-charge-while-in-use/3096/11 | 17:12 |
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| josch | interesting... reichelt sells something that they say is the adafruit 1904 which according to adafruit is the version with mini-usb but the reichelt images show a micro-usb port: https://www.reichelt.com/de/en/shop/product/developer_boards_-_charger_for_li-ion_lipo_batteries_with_micr-235492 -- i guess either should work with the pocket cells anyways | 17:31 |
| ch | olimex probably also has sth compatible, but havent checked details/prices | 17:33 |
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| + cobra (~cobra@user/Cobra) | 17:48 | |
| hramrach | but it's 1904 on reithelt, and 1905 on the forum - different part | 17:48 |
| josch | yes, and if i understand adafruit website correctly, then the differece is mini-usb versus micro-usb port | 17:52 |
| josch | but then the image on reichelt does not fit because it shows a micro usb port... | 17:52 |
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| hramrach | it does fit all right | 17:54 |
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| hramrach | they also have an USB C variant but that's too useful and thus sold out | 17:57 |
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| hramrach | they also have a PD trigger board: https://www.reichelt.com/cz/en/shop/product/developer_boards_-_usb-pd_trigger_module_usb-c_to_solder_pads-334986 | 18:06 |
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| josch | hramrach: thank you! i always wanted to have one of those | 18:48 |
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| minute | a little poll https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/114071464426366141 | 18:54 |
| spew | mnt refone | 18:57 |
| minute | hehe i think i have that name in some brainstorming list :D | 18:58 |
| hramrach | I think phones are actually quite difficult | 18:58 |
| minute | yeah | 18:58 |
| minute | i don't really want to make a phone, thus, "handheld" | 18:58 |
| spew | yes I figured, phones are a nightmare | 18:58 |
| minute | ampere is leading the poll so far | 18:59 |
| hramrach | like you can load linux on the phone hardware but the utility is limited. You can run android but the utility is limited for different reasons. Things like Ubuntu Phone, sailfish os, and whatever was the previous one have failed miserably | 19:00 |
| hramrach | also somewhat decent phone hardware already exists, rephone would have to be primarily software project to bring something of value I think | 19:01 |
| jn | bring back PDAs :) | 19:01 |
| josch | what is "linux tv/monitor"? is that the kodi thing i just have set up? | 19:02 |
| hramrach | that's basically the same thing, PDAs where useful because they had specific software | 19:02 |
| Zaba | are the power requirements of ampere altra really compatible with making something remotely compact? | 19:02 |
| jn | josch: does the kodi run in the TV's own hardware? | 19:02 |
| hramrach | add cover over the board so it becomes part of the TV, basically | 19:03 |
| josch | jn: no, the tv is more like a dumb screen to which i have the reform motherboard with a311d attached | 19:03 |
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| hramrach | could be one way to implement reform desktop ;-) | 19:03 |
| josch | well, I *am* looking for a cover/case but i thought that's what desktop reform is supposed to become :D | 19:04 |
| hramrach | smart TVs are dumb screens with a comuter mounted under the cover | 19:04 |
| josch | but maybe desktop reform is now ampere altra reform? | 19:04 |
| hramrach | I think ampere altra is interesting but there is the question how much a piece of hardware based on that would cost, and if it's within realistic enthusiast budget range | 19:05 |
| Zaba | you can get systems that I would say are within *big* enthusiast budgets, like https://www.ipi.wiki/products/com-hpc-ampere-altra | 19:08 |
| wickedshell | That's the same question I had with the altra. (And then my first thought was to stick it in a rack) | 19:08 |
| Zaba | like, it's not more expensive than an expensive PC workstation | 19:09 |
| jn | the other question with ampere is: how much of the usual slow I/O (USB, SPI, I2C, SDCard, ...) does it have or lack? | 19:09 |
| Zaba | but I think one has to seriously consider what the value is other than the novelty of it | 19:09 |
| josch | i heard there are now cases and hardware for 10" mini-racks with the same 1U height as 19" racks | 19:10 |
| hramrach | you would be likely competing against stuff like this https://www.chip1stop.com/USA/en/products/Socionext/SC0FQAA-B-000/SOCI*0000003 which is somewhat dated and might make use of some refresh | 19:10 |
| hramrach | that's a standard PC (ITX?) board that you can mount in off-the-shelf case, with 40 Arm cores or something | 19:11 |
| jn | huh, socionext, that's a name i haven't read in a while | 19:11 |
| hramrach | that's probably because they do not have a successor for this | 19:12 |
| Zaba | also, I seem to recall reading about some annoying PCIe issues in the previous-gen ampere platform, and their new one seems to be even less focused on the lower-power end of the range | 19:13 |
| hramrach | if it has PCIe you can have USB | 19:14 |
| hramrach | but with server chips you get serial console and discrete graphics | 19:15 |
| Zaba | as far as I can tell, the altra q32-17 (that's 32 cores, 1.7 GHz) has a TDP of 65W, and it only goes up from there. AmpereOne (the new platform) seems to *start* at 250W | 19:16 |
| hramrach | sounds like you would need a big fan | 19:16 |
| Zaba | (looking at what a random reseller has - https://www.serverparts.pl/en/cpu?f%5Bcm%5D%5B36%5D=1&items=45 - not the full range, though) | 19:17 |
| hramrach | Since Pentium 4 was a thing this is basically solved problem, you only need to strategically place mounting holes on the board, and perhaps design some adaptor for off-the-shelf PC coolers | 19:18 |
| hramrach | does only the Ampere CPU alone cost $1000+? | 19:22 |
| Zaba | well, most of them, yeah. the aforementioned q32-17 is technically below $1k, for example | 19:24 |
| hramrach | like $900, without tax | 19:25 |
| hramrach | no idea what the options would be when bying x86 CPUs either but there is typically the option to get the previos gen chips for cheap, something you do not get with these higher end Arm chips | 19:27 |
| + cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837) | 19:28 | |
| midfavila | i was looking at the socionext a while ago! | 19:39 |
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| midfavila | i sent them a few emails but never heard back | 19:39 |
| midfavila | would love a board like that | 19:39 |
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| hramrach | they are probably sold out | 19:41 |
| hramrach | it's marked as obsolete on chp1stop, and no stock listed | 19:41 |
| hramrach | and don't really know about anyone else selling them | 19:42 |
| minute | i got some informative replies that pcie on altra seems to be too busted to be fun ;/ | 19:44 |
| Zaba | according to https://amperecomputing.com/products/processors, ampereone is not intended to go below 200W TDP | 19:45 |
| hramrach | that seems to be the case with many of the early PCIe implementations on Arm, apparently it takes a few CPU revisions to figure out | 19:46 |
| hramrach | it probably wasn't any differnet with x86 when it switched over but it's quite a while ago so it's forgotten | 19:47 |
| hramrach | probably not the time of Arm desktop workstation yet | 19:48 |
| hramrach | TBF the PCIe on the socionext board was also somewhat dodgy, they have some list of compatible GPUs somewhere and some warning that not all cards work | 19:49 |
| Zaba | I'm pretty sure you *could* build an ampereone workstation today if you had, I don't know, $6k burning a hole in your pocket and found willing resellers, but it would also guzzle electricity, and also why | 19:49 |
| hramrach | it's not like it runs at the top of the TDP at all times, there is probably some power management | 19:50 |
| hramrach | The minimum price of the platform is quite off-putting, though | 19:50 |
| Zaba | also I think the single-core performance isn't even that great | 19:51 |
| Zaba | so… for desktop use it's probably just not a very exciting computer | 19:51 |
| hramrach | great for giving each web page its own core | 19:53 |
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| + sevan (~sevan@user/venture37) | 19:54 | |
| Zaba | how many web pages do you expect to use 100% CPU in parallel? | 19:55 |
| Zaba | it's really only *good* for renting the cores out. the use case it's designed for. | 19:56 |
| ch | all of them | 19:56 |
| midfavila | Zaba you can build an ampere machine for about 2.5k actually | 20:05 |
| midfavila | unless ampereone is a specific series | 20:05 |
| midfavila | i did see there's a cpu+board bundle on newegg for 2k | 20:05 |
| Zaba | I mentioned ampere*one* specifically | 20:05 |
| Zaba | you can get the lowest-end previous-gen for less than 2k | 20:05 |
| midfavila | my bad, then. i wasn't aware of the difference. | 20:06 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 20:34 | |
| hramrach | The Altra would be fine but has too many hardware bugs. The One is too expensive so nobody bought it to report how many hardware bugs that has :) | 20:52 |
| hramrach | it's not like it's bad to have 128core machine, the problem is that the price makes it good only for the use case of renting the cores out | 20:55 |
| Zaba | if you have some massively parallel workstation tasks, that's okay too, but I would contend most people don't | 21:00 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone) | 21:10 | |
| hramrach | Like compiling pretty much anything? Running a web browser with 100 tabs open? | 21:23 |
| L29Ah | LLM | 21:26 |
| hramrach | compiling a kernel in a minute or two is doable on 160 CPU machine | 21:26 |
| L29Ah | but that's more about RAM channels than CPU cores | 21:26 |
| hramrach | ram channels are likely involved as well, true | 21:27 |
| hramrach | would be sad to have 160 CPUs always idle waiting for data | 21:27 |
| minute | hramrach: do you know about more hw bugs than the pcie/amdgpu situation? | 21:28 |
| minute | it sounds like it could still be quite workable with intel arc gpu or nvidia with proprietary driver (but i wouldn't wanna use the latter), not sure about nvk | 21:29 |
| hramrach | I did not particularly research it. I think the PCIe problem is damning enough to not seriously care about the platform | 21:29 |
| hramrach | reportedly it does not work well even with the Arc GPU, it crashes only occasionally :> | 21:30 |
| minute | hramrach: are you referring to q66 response in my thread or do you have additional links? | 21:31 |
| hramrach | yes, that one | 21:31 |
| Zaba | having 100 open tabs is not a massively parallel task unless something CPU-intensive is happening in each tab, but that seems unlikely (other than due to buggy JavaScript, but that’s not really *useful* to be able to run) | 21:43 |
| Zaba | and yes, it’s good for parallel compiles, but compilation is bursty, and the rest of the time those cores are doing nothing | 21:43 |
| hramrach | that's the case with workstation use in general, most of the time most hardware is idle | 21:44 |
| hramrach | tehre is also discussion on the Ampere forums https://community.amperecomputing.com/t/gpu-support-for-ampere-altra/274/11 | 21:45 |
| hramrach | Sounds like using a GPU with Altra is 'fun' | 21:45 |
| L29Ah | can mine monero at rest | 21:45 |
| hramrach | the Aspeed cards which are connected generally to the BMC on server hardware likely work well by not doing anything much | 21:46 |
| minute | hramrach: i'm unfortunately still super curious to experience the level of brokenness myself | 21:49 |
| minute | it doesn't seem like there are second hand altra systems up for grabs for cheap though | 21:49 |
| hramrach | there is also the thing that even if it's possible to make it work the workarounds will cause performance bottleneck so there is not that much point trying too hard | 21:50 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 21:58 | |
| minute | hramrach: so far i haven't seen any benchmarks of how bad those bottlenecks are in practice, but i'd really like to know... | 21:59 |
| minute | are we talking 5% or 90% perf reduction? what are the "edge cases" i.e. how frequently does one run into them? | 22:00 |
| Zaba | hramrach: "workstation use" in my experience is something like "running mechanical simulations most of the time". if it's mostly idle I'd call that a "desktop" workload (and there you probably care about idle power consumption, something I wouldn't trust the ampere to excel at) | 22:01 |
| minute | when considering my own use cases, it would be mainly running kicad, freecad, gimp, inkscape etc as fast as possible with big projects, as well as quick linux kernel compiles | 22:02 |
| Zaba | I would guess for kicad/freecad/gimp/inkscape the single threaded performance is the dominant factor in how fast they work the majority of the time | 22:03 |
| minute | i guess freecad does have some of its own perf issues where it's not built for multicore | 22:03 |
| minute | Zaba: that's probably, unfortunately, true | 22:04 |
| minute | so it might make more sense to bet on the beefiest qualcomm soc for my case as they go beyond 3 ghz | 22:04 |
| hramrach | and are easier to get anyway | 22:05 |
| ch | bit weird there are a lot of altra cpus on ebay, but no mainboards, or at least i cant find any | 22:06 |
| minute | ch: yeah i also saw those | 22:06 |
| minute | this recently caught my eye for example https://cdn.lantronix.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/MPB-00244-RevB-Open-Q-9100.pdf | 22:07 |
| hramrach | Coming soon ... | 22:11 |
| Zaba | there's also https://advdownload.advantech.com/productfile/PIS/AOM-6731/file/AOM-6731-_DS(123024)20241231144853.pdf | 22:11 |
| Zaba | also 'preliminary' | 22:11 |
| hramrach | Blob not found ... | 22:12 |
| Zaba | https://www.advantech.com/en-eu/products/a9f9c02c-f4d2-4bb8-9527-51fbd402deea/aom-6731/mod_0802cc5a-8807-451a-92ce-7ded7c77a3ba | 22:13 |
| - gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-78-82-52-87.bbcust.telenor.se) | 22:15 | |
| hramrach | only 16GB memory the ohter one supports 18 or 36GB | 22:15 |
| Zaba | yeah | 22:16 |
| Zaba | and no word on the price | 22:17 |
| hramrach | Coming soon ... | 22:17 |
| Zaba | and I believe in either case you'd have to deal with spotty mainline linux support | 22:17 |
| hramrach | I suspect they need to adjust the pricing based on yield and such so they do not know themselves :) | 22:18 |
| minute | i got word that 9100 support is coming, and just landed in uboot (?) | 22:18 |
| minute | Zaba: oooh thanks for the advantech link, i had no idea that x elite soms are here now | 22:19 |
| josch | minute: i am supposed to deliver high praise for the halo-90 earrings that just arrived today. :) | 22:20 |
| Zaba | well, for a certain value of "here" | 22:22 |
| josch | i'm personally wondering what filament/printer was used for the case that they came in -- the case feel really high quality and i love the magnet lock | 22:22 |
| hramrach | sometimes it's even completely different technology, there's also SLS and resin printing | 22:24 |
| ch | i cant look at my order in the shop if i didnt make an account back then, right? | 22:24 |
| josch | hramrach: the shop says that it's just PLA but i've never seen anything looking this fancy | 22:26 |
| josch | i'm unable to capture the glitter effect nor the smooth change of color in a photo... | 22:26 |
| hramrach | so some special filament effect | 22:27 |
| josch | indeed | 22:27 |
| josch | next i have to package stm8flash for Debian so that i can experiment with the firmware :) | 22:27 |
| hramrach | you can get filaments with various effects but how they work out for your specific print requires a lot of experimentation | 22:27 |
| ch | maybe you can get away with openocd? | 22:28 |
| minute | josch: thank you!! | 22:29 |
| + BoostisBetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 22:32 | |
| gsora | woooo an x elite som! | 23:41 |
| gsora | bet it's gonna gost an arm, a leg and maybe half a kidney | 23:41 |
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