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| chiefgyk3d | Hey all I just got my Pocket Reform and I can't seem to get it charging properly on a pinepower or my Dell laptop 65 watt charger | 04:08 |
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| frickler | hmm, gone again already, sadly didn't give more detail, might be another case of imbalanced cells | 06:34 |
| ch | or old firmware | 06:42 |
| frickler | ch: for a new delivery? that would be surprising. but not impossible either, true | 06:48 |
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| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a13:5400:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 07:34 | |
| [tj] | my charge controller is tracking the battery better, but its still 0.2V between cells | 09:08 |
| [tj] | I have figured out an excellent charging solution and a normal one | 09:09 |
| ch | tell us! | 09:12 |
| [tj] | a lipo charger costs a fiver | 09:14 |
| [tj] | the excellent solution will be a blog post | 09:14 |
| [tj] | https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193589224706 | 09:15 |
| - colinsane (QUIT: Quit: bye) (~colinunin@97-113-70-199.tukw.qwest.net) | 09:23 | |
| [tj] | I don't have reform-migrate on my pocket is the pocket or the handbook out of date? | 09:26 |
| josch | [tj]: what command did you run to find out that you do not have reform-migrate? | 09:26 |
| [tj] | ah its a path thing, thanks | 09:27 |
| josch | is not having /sbin in PATH a debian thing? | 09:28 |
| josch | this question comes up *really* frequently | 09:28 |
| ch | ues, ubuntu adds it | 09:28 |
| ch | yes* | 09:28 |
| ch | i was just going to suggest that /somebody/ should file a bug against login,openssh-server (: | 09:28 |
| [tj] | its in /usr/sbin | 09:29 |
| ch | (or drive merging sbin for forky) | 09:29 |
| frickler | if you want to have /sbin in PATH for normal users, why don't you dump everything into /bin right away? | 09:29 |
| josch | ch: clearly, the correct solution is to merge /bin and /sbin ;) | 09:29 |
| josch | haha | 09:29 |
| josch | frickler: there are some people proposing exactly that | 09:29 |
| ch | josch: i'm not opposed, but i dont want the drama | 09:30 |
| josch | same here | 09:30 |
| josch | and i don't want to do the work either ;) | 09:30 |
| frickler | but you could just move all the reform-tools into /bin? they should generate nice warnings when called as non-root when root is needed already, do they? | 09:31 |
| josch | frickler: they do, yes | 09:31 |
| josch | and yes reform-tools could put them into /bin | 09:32 |
| - kensanata (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~alex@user/kensanata) | 09:35 | |
| ch | josch: if you file the PATH bug, i think thats something we can get done in forky | 09:41 |
| ch | josch: (we need to update the default PATHs anyway) | 09:41 |
| josch | you mean by removing /sbin in favour of /usr/sbin? #1041362 | 09:42 |
| [tj] | reform-* could just be a chrunch-gen style thing that figures out the correct command | 09:42 |
| kfx | what's the benefit of that over easy-to-debug individual commands? | 09:43 |
| [tj] | documentation stability | 09:43 |
| [tj] | this path problem goes away | 09:44 |
| josch | and ubuntu has /sbin in path for the normal user? https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/commit/?h=applied/debian/sid&id=838935f26203b94fa2f2ad954e71564289f1ef20 | 09:44 |
| josch | ch: i didn't know you were maintaining these | 09:44 |
| josch | [tj]: what's a "chrunch-gen style thing"? | 09:45 |
| [tj] | how busybox works | 09:45 |
| ch | josch: colin does openssh, but i think he'll agreee | 09:45 |
| josch | you mean just a bunch of sub-commands | 09:45 |
| [tj] | chrunch-gen is the name of the tool in freebsd | 09:45 |
| kfx | parsing $0 to figure out what commandd the user actually wanted | 09:45 |
| [tj] | yeah that | 09:45 |
| josch | or that | 09:45 |
| josch | ah okay | 09:45 |
| ch | josch: i think ubuntu adds it in .profile or something (and in sshd) | 09:45 |
| ch | would be nice to remove the delta | 09:46 |
| kfx | busybox does that for space saving. doing that in a shell script leads to confusion | 09:46 |
| [tj] | git does it for simplicity of adding commands | 09:46 |
| [tj] | hundreds of commands are a shell wrapper | 09:46 |
| + kensanata (~alex@user/kensanata) | 09:46 | |
| [tj] | I'm probably not going to do the work so all I'm doing is suggesting an option | 09:47 |
| [tj] | and I'll only need to run reform-migrate once or twice | 09:48 |
| josch | that's fine, i'm thinking about which solution i like | 09:48 |
| ch | if you can, move it now out of sbin | 09:49 |
| ch | moving later will be a pain | 09:49 |
| josch | why would it be a pain later? | 09:49 |
| kfx | I'm not entirely sure why they need to be in a specific folder? Usually setting DESTDIR can be done at packaging? | 09:50 |
| ch | either you'll break compat, or you have to ship a symlink in sbin | 09:50 |
| ch | DESTDIR doesnt influence bin<>sbin in usual buildsystems | 09:50 |
| josch | well, it's a bit more than that | 09:51 |
| josch | it also influences man page section | 09:51 |
| josch | sbin tools are section 8 not 1 | 09:51 |
| ch | i thought system administration tools are section 8 | 09:51 |
| kfx | I'm not sure what you mean by usual build system but both deb and rpm can easily relocate commands | 09:51 |
| kfx | section 8 doesn't mandate a path according to lsb, just that they usually require root privileges | 09:51 |
| josch | ch: our sbin tools *are* system admin tools | 09:51 |
| ch | josch: but system administration tools can also be in bin | 09:52 |
| kfx | they can be in /opt/local/spelunking for all the man page cares :) | 09:52 |
| josch | ch: yes, but the current script uses the path to determine the man section -- it's a bit more work to find and implement a replacement :) | 09:52 |
| ch | ah | 09:53 |
| ch | well | 09:53 |
| josch | that's the "i'm hesitant to invest the work" part i mentioned above :) | 09:54 |
| ch | right. still, i think its less work now than later | 09:54 |
| josch | thank you, then lets get this done rather earlier | 09:54 |
| josch | i'll put it on my todo pile | 09:54 |
| ch | "platsch" | 09:55 |
| ch | ;) | 09:55 |
| josch | haha | 09:55 |
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