2025-02-11.log

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wytchI would love to know why with an rk3588 and the asiarf wifi card I'm still getting  only a handful of mbps (I have not seen >30mbps in any of my tests). Does the aisarf card need to be thermally connected to the backplate?03:04
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abortretryfailwytch: consider antenna placement04:04
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wytchabortretryfail: thanks for the tip, I'll look into that tomorrow04:42
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fricklerminute: just another data point regarding my cells while waiting for eremit delivery (they seem to have a bit of backlog): I swapped the connections from the cells to the board and the cell voltages swapped accordingly, so it really seems to be an issue with the cells (or one of them) and not the charger board. will hopefully know more in a couple of days10:35
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bluerisehttps://lore.kernel.org/linux-rockchip/20250211040300.1905-1-honyuenkwun@gmail.com/T/#u11:20
blueriseI guess I'll just copy the reform one, call it icore, and make the reform one include it11:21
blueriseand then let's see if anyone spots that "oh this part should actually be part of the reform DT, instead of the icore DTSI" :)11:21
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blueriseor I might just split it up exactly like the existing core 3588j11:23
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minutefrickler: aha, thanks for that data point and sorry we sent you such unbalanced cells14:23
minutebluerise: oh hey, that's cool14:24
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minutebluerise: reminds me we also need to upstream the actual laptops to EDK2, it has icore so far14:25
blueriseI only want this in Linux repo so that it gets pulled into U-Boot on next DTS sync :D14:26
minuteahaa nice14:26
minutebluerise: how's your rk3588 reform doing? does it always boot reliably or sometimes not?14:27
minutei also would really like to fix the "usb sometimes doesn't work" issue that requires a reboot14:27
minute(/ powercylce)14:27
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josch"usb sometimes doesn't work" reminds me of "pci sometimes doesn't work" on imx8mq14:33
joschsometimes after booting it with very recent kernel versions, i have no wifi14:33
joschhard to track down because the issue is quite random and a reboot makes the card come back to life14:33
joschif it's indeed the kernel version then maybe that's another thing that i can bisect... i just dread the randomness of the issue...14:34
abortretryfailjosch: I have that problem too. either the wifi or the trackball will just be nonexistent and i'll have to reset the machine 14:37
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joschabortretryfail: aha thank you for confirming!14:48
joschACTION puts this on their todo list...14:48
mhoyeSo, I have a _somewhat_ similar problem, in discovering that I cannot boot if I have a specific USB peripheral plugged in.14:50
minutemhoye: which one?14:51
mhoyeIt's a usb ATSC-TV widget, called a "Hauppauge WinTV HVR 950"14:52
mhoyelemme reboot to capture the exact error. A lot of this sort of smells like "occasionally, uboot leaves USB in a bad state somehow"14:56
mhoyelooks like the internet says there are a few complaints like this out there around uboot and peripherals being missing at boot time for indiscernible reasons.14:57
blueriseminute: tbh I didn't spend much time on it :( I was debugging SMMU and PCIe stuff on another RK3588 board14:57
bluerisebut with the U-Boot from upstream I patched, it seemed to boot just fine14:58
blueriseI'm not using your U-Boot because... I like using U-Boot mainline together with the OpenBSD patches to switch to 115200 uart ;)14:58
bluerise(and I have a build system for it already, no need to do weird things with rkdeveloptool)14:58
gsoraooo openbsd on the 3588?15:01
blueriseYeah but the issue is always sound+graphics15:01
bluerisebut I saw someone pushing patches for graphics in U-Boot, so that should be fine15:01
blueriseand audio isn't a lot of work either15:01
bluerisebut without graphics accel it's gonna perform poorly15:02
blueriseif only there was an AMD GPU chip one could put in..15:02
mhoyettps://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/article34636792.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/1_Idiots-have-to-be-told-not-to-molest-deadly-predators-as-everyone-says-the-same-thing.jpg15:02
mhoyewhat what15:02
mhoyeThat was middle-click data from _days ago_, how 15:03
gsorai lold tho15:05
mhoyeoh wild. I have foot and firefox running in sway, and when I middle click in Firefox I get the url I wanted to paste into here15:05
mhoyebut when I middle click in foot, I get ... that?15:05
mhoyewhat the eff15:05
mhoyeanyway apparently I am not smart enough to use linux but15:06
mhoyettps://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/article34636792.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/1_Idiots-have-to-be-told-not-to-molest-deadly-predators-as-everyone-says-the-same-thing.jpg15:07
mhoyejf what 15:07
mhoyeso15:08
mhoyeI just started up a vintage xterm to paste in the right url 15:08
mhoyeand it pasted in the correct one. and then I started tmux and tried again and that happened15:09
mhoyeok that's enough computer for one day15:09
mhoyesorry everyone15:09
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joschmhoye: for what it's worth i also sometimes have trouble with the paste buffer15:20
joschsometimes there are inexplicable delays, so you end up pasting the wrong thing15:26
joschand sometimes the middle mouse button does different things depending on the application15:26
joschsometimes i just paste into gedit/pluma with the middle mouse button so that i can ctrl+c the same thing because the other application only understands ctrl+v...15:26
+ mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)15:44
hramrachmhoye: Xwayland vs Wayland clipboard discrepancy15:47
hramrachprobably your firefox is running under xwayland, then xterm sees its clipboard but foot does not15:48
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minutech: a small update: even after extensive experiments i could not produce significant ringing using usb-c power supplies, because they all ramp up softly (and the voltage is negotiated from 5v first, so there isn't really a 20v hotplug event).17:01
chright17:01
minutech: i did a synthetic experiment with lab power supply of 20V through a 2m+ cable into a usb-c plug, i can get the ringing there, up to 32V17:01
minutech: but it doesn't harm the chip17:01
minutech: i wasn't able to destroy the chip even if i tried very hard17:01
ch32V :o17:02
minuteyeah absolute max rating is 28V17:02
minutebut... such an event could only happen if the 20V was hard-(dis)connected somewhere and i don't see how17:02
chyou said you managed to frie one of the boards you had. do you remember how that happened?17:03
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minuteso either some of the chips are more sensitive or there is some soldering quality issue (wouldn't be the first time)17:03
minutech: yeah i think the batteries had run empty and i connected a ugreen charger here in the lab to my pocket reform through a 2m cable. it didn't charge. after inspection the ic was broken in the typical way17:03
chhm17:04
minutemaybe it just happened not on the charger but just sitting there running empty...17:04
minutenot on the power supply i mean17:04
chok, but that kinda means we dont need the 15v limit?17:06
minutech: right now i don't see a compelling reason for it17:06
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chack17:19
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mhoyehramrach: I am 95% sure that the real culprit is tmux18:20
mhoyeAt least, I bisected responsibility for this down to tmux, foot middle pastes fine on its own, if I run tmux then it pastes days old junk into tmux18:21
+ anzu (~anzu@melkki.cs.helsinki.fi)18:22
mhoyeI did not realize at all that tmux has its own clipboard, much less that it will somehow catch a middle click on the far side of an ssh connection and do whatever it wants with it.18:26
joschoh wow, nice find!18:30
hairutmux clipboard <318:30
hairulife saver nowadays18:31
hairuwho needs a mouse18:31
mhoyeme apparently19:00
mhoyeI think the next thing I'm going to do to this machine is mill out a hole on the back of the case so I can sit cross-legged.19:02
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minuteok, classic reform motherboard 3.0 d-2 seems good so far19:21
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gordon1yey19:28
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spewyay20:00
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minutecurrently running maintainance scripts on the mnt shop20:51
mhoyehttps://www.flickr.com/photos/mhoye/54319913382/in/dateposted21:18
mhoyeah, finally21:19
mhoyeminute: that's the error message.21:19
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