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| violet | not sure if this is a new or old thing but this evening i turned my pocket on and noticed that firefox was a lot slower than it usually is | 12:05 |
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| violet | to make a long story short, i was on llvmpipe instead of my gpu driver. /dev/dri/renderD128 switched to being group "render" (i think it used to be group "video"? but of course i cannot check how it used to be now lol), and i needed to add my user to that group. | 12:06 |
| violet | this is stock install it shipped with, ive just been apt upgrading now and then | 12:07 |
| violet | after i did `usermod -a -G render <my_username>` everything was fast again | 12:08 |
| hramrach | this should be probably automagically handled by user session setup | 12:10 |
| violet | well, i think it was caused by some update | 12:10 |
| violet | like i say, i thought "wow this is slow, normally when i use this device its fast" | 12:11 |
| hramrach | magic dissipated | 12:14 |
| + mjw (~mjw@188-206-99-26.mobile.kpn.net) | 12:19 | |
| josch | violet: you have a pocket? with imx8mplus or another SoM? I have you noted down as imx8mq on classic reform user with debian stable. Did that change? | 12:40 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@107.159.71.33) | 12:41 | |
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| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-54-92.bbcust.telenor.se) | 13:02 | |
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| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone) | 13:10 | |
| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 13:10 | |
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| - L29Ah (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 13:25 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~mjw@188-206-99-26.mobile.kpn.net) | 14:13 | |
| violet | josch: i have a pocket with imx8mplus | 14:32 |
| violet | have been using it off and on | 14:34 |
| violet | the classic reform is still on the shelf until i can get ahold of a new motherboard for it | 14:37 |
| violet | i'll probably get the rk3588 at some point, but i am holding off until my friend decides if they also want to get something so we can share an order | 14:40 |
| - amospalla (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1) (~jordi@user/amospalla) | 15:49 | |
| + amospalla (~jordi@user/amospalla) | 15:52 | |
| josch | violet: okay, thank you -- i'll test the permissions of /dev/dri/renderD128 later when i'm home | 16:01 |
| josch | here on classic reform with debian stable the device is owned by root:render | 16:01 |
| minute | just made a little video of gnome 47 running on the reform next for this week's crowd supply update (which i'm finishing now) https://youtu.be/g4BnmHFu4qg | 16:02 |
| josch | wow, so much going on at the same time! | 16:08 |
| josch | animations are so smooth! things happen instantly | 16:08 |
| minute | flexing the rk3588 a little bit | 16:08 |
| josch | makes me really excited for classic reform with rk3588 :D | 16:09 |
| minute | oh yeah :D | 16:09 |
| josch | it looks very much like what i see from my partner's intel laptop :) | 16:09 |
| minute | nice | 16:09 |
| minute | only thing that doesn't work yet is blender, i guess ;__; or AAA games ;) | 16:10 |
| josch | :) | 16:12 |
| + L29Ah (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 16:36 | |
| - ^alex (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~alex@user/alex/x-9816677) | 16:44 | |
| jfred | minute: when you say "yet" - do you mean it's possible those could work in the future? | 16:49 |
| - L29Ah (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 16:49 | |
| + L29Ah (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 16:53 | |
| + ^alex (~alex@user/alex/x-9816677) | 16:53 | |
| minute | jfred: i hacked blender into a state in which one can use the main UI a bit with the vulkan backend, but it crashes in the material editor, for example. it might be possible once panvk vulkan support has matured more. | 16:55 |
| minute | jfred: aaa games probably not, except someone comes up with a stable way to use a beefy eGPU on the RK3588 and we're lucky that those games are not mega cpu intensive | 16:55 |
| + UsrBinAnnika (~annika@109.255.154.246) | 17:09 | |
| minute | btw a word on gnome on the rk3588 pocket: it performs equally well on external display (@ scale 1, no rotation). but there are some weird perf issues on the internal rotated + scaled display which wlroots doesn't have... so i guess i'll have to file a few bug reports with gnome/mutter | 17:09 |
| minute | for example, animations in telegram-desktop stutter on the internal pocket display | 17:10 |
| minute | and then also the cursor stutters | 17:10 |
| minute | that's kind of unexpected on a gpu like this :D | 17:10 |
| jfred | minute: Yeah, I'm more interested in blender/similar 3D programs than AAA games haha - rk3588 is fast but it's not *that* fast :) | 17:19 |
| jfred | this reminds me I need to try out libfive studio on my rk3588 reform soon | 17:20 |
| jfred | it ran initially on the imx8mp pocket with those GL version overrides but got crashy pretty quickly | 17:23 |
| + aloo_shu_ (~aloo_shu@85.51.18.246) | 17:29 | |
| * UsrBinAnnika -> abackstrom | 17:31 | |
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| ndufresne | More precisely, rk3588 gets really hot when teased with AAA stuff :-) | 17:36 |
| hramrach | that's because all those As are so jaggy. Try some OOO stuff instead :) | 17:39 |
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| + mjw (~mjw@213.246.238.179) | 18:08 | |
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| gordon1 | topic of active cooling is not researched yet, i have it on my list but i need to get my hands on the reform first! | 18:42 |
| gordon1 | well, not researched by me, maybe somebody else tried that already | 18:44 |
| josch | violet: on a fresh system image /dev/dri/renderD128 is also owned by root:render | 18:45 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@47-186-65-73.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 18:51 | |
| - L29Ah (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 19:00 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone) | 19:12 | |
| + L29Ah (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 19:16 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone) | 19:19 | |
| sevan | am I being thick or if you raise a change and the build job times out, there's no way of retrying? the "Retry all failed or cancelled jobs" button does nothing, and if you drill down to where you'd find the log of the build attempt, on a timed out build it reports "This job is archived. Only the complete pipeline can be retried." | 19:28 |
| sevan | This is something that's sat there for a month, hence I guess why it was archived. | 19:29 |
| minute | sevan: why not rerun the pipeline? | 19:31 |
| sevan | minute: how? | 19:32 |
| minute | sevan: do you have a link to the job? | 19:32 |
| sevan | minute: here's one https://source.mnt.re/sevan/reform/-/commit/bc596d3cf406efbf007f05eef590dc2b35ec9737 | 19:33 |
| sevan | minute: sorry, https://source.mnt.re/sevan/reform/-/pipelines/3221 | 19:33 |
| sevan | minute: there's a retry button on the top right, for me. but clicking it does nothing. | 19:34 |
| sevan | minute: another https://source.mnt.re/sevan/reform/-/pipelines/3225 | 19:36 |
| minute | sevan: indeed, retry seems broken, weird | 19:36 |
| sevan | minute: no worries, thanks for confirming. I thought I was missing something dead obvious. | 19:37 |
| minute | sevan: https://source.mnt.re/sevan/reform/-/pipelines/3436 | 19:37 |
| minute | i tried "New Pipeline" button | 19:37 |
| minute | and selected the branch | 19:38 |
| minute | (new pipeline button here https://source.mnt.re/sevan/reform/-/pipelines ) | 19:38 |
| sevan | minute: <3 thank you for the help. I started a new pipeline for the other branch. | 19:40 |
| josch | sevan: also took me a while to learn these gitlab things -- you can always either rebase your commits or push new commits | 19:42 |
| josch | both these things will also trigger a new pipeline | 19:42 |
| minute | sevan: no problem! | 19:44 |
| sevan | josch: ah, that's good to know. :) | 19:44 |
| josch | even without changes you can just "git commit --amend" your top commit to refresh it and then force push | 19:45 |
| sevan | josch: so as long as there's a change of any form. | 19:46 |
| sevan | minute: is everything ok, on the CI side? (firmware built correctly and generated artifacts, it moves on to "Cleaning up project directory and file based variables" and "ERROR: Job failed: exit code 1") | 19:48 |
| minute | huh weird | 19:49 |
| minute | sevan: i guess this line fails https://source.mnt.re/sevan/reform/-/jobs/7578#L3651 | 19:51 |
| minute | i think josch can explain that | 19:51 |
| - MyNetAz (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~MyNetAz@user/MyNetAz) | 19:53 | |
| sevan | sevan: ah, ok. I saw when creating the pipeline it offered for me to define variables. I left it blank. | 19:55 |
| - L29Ah (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 19:58 | |
| josch | sevan: you are missing tag 20241015 | 20:02 |
| josch | let me prepare a MR that improves the error message | 20:04 |
| + MyNetAz (~MyNetAz@user/MyNetAz) | 20:04 | |
| jfred | Hm, I wonder how the new tariffs will affect Reform Next purchases shipped to the US since the SoMs and a few other components are sourced from China. I suppose we'll likely have to pay import duty now when they ship? | 20:07 |
| minute | jfred: normally for customs the whole assembly counts, which is COO germany | 20:09 |
| jfred | oh, good | 20:09 |
| jfred | I was wondering about that | 20:09 |
| minute | as long as ther's no tariffs on germany :3 | 20:09 |
| jfred | I reeeeeally hope not | 20:09 |
| jfred | would it be different then if one were to order a SoM by itself? (though they'd likely fall under the $800 de minimis exception unless you were to order multiple at once) | 20:10 |
| Sario | I also hope not. I'm really looking forward to getting a Pocket and anything that adds to the cost will delay that | 20:11 |
| minute | i think so far at least there's no obvious reason for the new US admin to make a trade war with germany... yet | 20:14 |
| - arminweigl (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~arminweig@sourcehut/user/arminweigl) | 20:16 | |
| jfred | yet, maybe, but the new administration has threatened tariffs on the EU - so I wouldn't be surprised if we have them by the time the Reform Next starts shipping: https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-is-discussing-10-tariff-china-feb-1-2025-01-21/ | 20:25 |
| + L29Ah (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 20:33 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@213.246.238.179) | 20:54 | |
| josch | sevan: if you cherry-pick the commit from https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/merge_requests/80, the problem should be more apparent | 21:28 |
| josch | minute: above MR should better describe what's going on | 21:29 |
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| + anzu (~anzu@melkinkari.cs.helsinki.fi) | 22:25 | |
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| + arminweigl (~arminweig@sourcehut/user/arminweigl) | 22:45 | |
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| + aloo_shu_ (~aloo_shu@90.166.193.38) | 23:28 | |
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| - L29Ah (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 23:35 | |
| sevan | josch: thank you. So when I create a pipeline, I need to set those variables there? | 23:36 |
| josch | sevan: which variables? | 23:38 |
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