2025-01-25.log

+ Guest49 (~Guest92@71-132-253-253.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net)00:03
Guest49Hello, I have a pocket reform with an rk3588. I've tried charging with my steam deck charger, a 65w lenovo charger, and an anker 65w charger and it doesn't seem to charge past 12%. Anything specific I should take a look at? There was one forums post which mentioned plugging the charger in before flipping the physical power switch and that had no00:06
Guest49impact.00:06
BoostisBetterGuest49: it is possible the sysctrl just doesn't know the right amouynts now. The solutiun is to allow the battery to discharge to 0 and then charge it back up. After a couple cycles it will know what 100% is. 00:07
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L29Ahhe was around for a whole minute00:10
+ Guest96 (~Guest92@71-132-253-253.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net)00:11
Guest96ah if battery calibration wasn00:11
Guest96wasn't done in advance that'd explain it. I'll do that then00:11
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minutealso, if someone else asks here, the rk3588 pockets already are on the newest firmware00:14
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gordon1btw did humanity invent some better way for doing gas-gaugeing on batteries? Are there chips that have move sophisticated charge state estimation models for initial cal instead of just columb couting?00:26
gordon1every time i forced to discharge my battery to 0% i almost can feel it's screaming silently in pain00:26
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gordon1i remember reading long time ago an article about determining state of charge of primary lithium batteries based on temp, open-circuit voltage and voltage with known current, i wonder if something like that exist for rechareable lithium batteries00:36
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L29Ahgordon1: don't discharge your battery, just use a function of voltage to estimate state of charge GIVEN LOAD00:37
L29Ahmeasuring and factoring in the battery internal resistance helps00:37
gordon1yeah, is it more accurate than /dev/random?00:38
L29Ahcertainly00:38
+ _justin_kelly71 (~justinkel@user/justin-kelly/x-6011154)00:39
gordon1manufacturers usually publish those graphs that characterise fresh cell, i'm not convinced that those curves won't change with battery aging00:39
L29Ahthey do00:39
L29Ahmostly due to growing internal resistance afaik00:39
L29Ahcoulomb counting is dumb because it doesn't involve the internal resistance, so you can never be sure whether a jolt of activity will push your cell into triggering the protection circuit and cutting you off00:40
L29Ahand if you are fine having a 10% error resulting from that, you can just use a function of voltage00:41
L29Ahthat isn't much less precise00:41
L29Ahbut that's all about LiIon, i have no idea how LiFePO4 behaves00:42
gordon1yeah, there's also other issue with coulomb counting, that if you never regularly discharge your device to cutoff - you pretty much won't know how aged your battery is00:43
L29Ahrn i have an old battery in my chinkpad that allows me another ~half an hour @7W of use i think if i'm careful not to strain it (putting full 35W-ish out when the CPU gets 100% busy while cold) at the low state of charge00:46
L29Ahperhaps more, i have not measured it since it is inconvenient to perform on my primary computer00:47
gordon1is there a realistic way to measure OCV of a battery in-circuit with a load? I have a feeling that any switch regulator can do it when it does the switching, it's just i don't remember ever seeing any battery charger/manager that does that00:50
svpminuscule kindof bug report: i personally only checked on v3 keyboard but row 2 column 1 (KEY_GRAVE_ACCENT_AND_TILDE) on qwerty-jp should actually be HID_KEYBOARD_SC_INTERNATIONAL1 (backslash and underscore) as otherwise the key will resolve to the hankaku/zenkaku key, which would mismatch the label00:53
L29Ahgordon1: i don't think you need ocv if you know the voltage and the current00:53
gordon1you need voltage, current and ocv to estimate internal resistance00:54
L29Ahyou can change your current on demand00:54
L29Ahenable cpuburn, measure, disable, measure, solve the two equations00:54
gordon1no thx, it has to be done without interaction with host system or else what's the point00:56
gordon1also cpuburn wont' make you exact known load anyways00:57
L29Ahthe point is to estimate what you can expect to get from your batteries, no?00:57
L29Ahyou don't need an exact known load anyways00:58
L29Ahand you don't need to measure the internal resistance often anyways00:58
L29Ahyou can do it passively even, given your machine gets a diverse workload over time00:58
gordon1tbh i have a feeling that LPC is mighty capable of doing some kalman filter or some similar modelling based on inputs that it gets to improve the accuracy and adapt to aging battery w/o recalibration00:59
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svpthe same level 1 function is accomplished by HID_KEYBOARD_SC_NON_US_BACKSLASH_AND_PIPE, however setting it to HID_KEYBOARD_SC_INTERNATIONAL3 will have the key do ¥ and |, as pictured on the key next to backspace on a jp106 keeb, which for historical purposes usually behaves the same way as \01:01
svpstill only the first fix is important, really.01:02
svpcc minute for msgs above01:02
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minutesvp: thanks! that's tricky01:19
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svpactually, the jp map labels have the del key, don't they? because thats not quite right, it should be backslash and pipe...01:32
svp...somewhat unrelated but do you happen to know where i could have some keycaps done because i'd like to take a slightly custom layout for a spin01:34
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joschright, so my problem is, that if at any of the 20 bisection steps i forget to apply the MNT imx8mq patch stack, then the display does not come on and i mark that revision as faulty even though it might not have been...11:39
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grimmwareThe new keyboard firmware has proven much more reliable for me so far, I’ve only had one lockup and was simply able to reset the USB.12:01
minutegrimmware: nice12:09
jnjosch: you need to script it so that applying the patchset and compiling are the same step12:14
jnsmall throwaway shell scripts FTW12:14
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joschjn: i'm compiling it with "git am foo.patch && make .." -- unfortunately the "git am" part sometimes fails and then i have to do manual adjustments. And when i'm at that point i make errors... :(12:38
joschi'd need to script it in a way that it would use patch set X for a range of commits and after a certain commit it woudl need patch set Y12:38
joschunfortunately, there is more than one change i need to do, so this also becomes complex quickly...12:39
jnlast time i did something like this, i had the custom patches in a branch that i merged in. perhaps git rerere can help in that case?12:52
jnanyway, bisecting upstream regressions with downstream patches is always a big pain, i feel that12:52
joschjn: if you have the custom patches in another branch, how do you call git merge to only pick the ones at the top that you need?12:56
jni put the patches that i need in a branch that's based on an old enough upstream release12:59
jnso that git merge will only merge what i actually need13:00
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joschah okay, good strategy, thank you! :)13:10
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+ reform101 (~rose@2601:196:8504:2480::d860)18:01
reform101has anyone found any fighting games that work on the mnt reform?18:02
reform101we were going to try UNIB but I couldn't get the whole daisy chain of box64 and wine working18:03
reform101but I think that may just be due to me not entirely knowing how to run x86 windows applications on the reform in the first place ^^;18:04
gordon1you can try to some older sega/nintendo64 fighting games with emulation if you into that things18:08
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reform101I tried flycast earlier but wound up getting errors with SDL18:16
reform101but I guess I could try rakugakids on n64 or such18:17
reform101I dont know any other n64 fighting games18:17
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hramrachgrimmware: aesthetic is subjective but also consider wealth of weird social dynamics from hilarious to sinister apply. See eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0arvnAlV_C4 or https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sapient-nature/201104/are-good-looking-people-dumb18:47
ryukazouFighting game I always go NeoGeo emulator, there are a lots of good fighting game on NeoGeo.19:27
ryukazouKing of Fighters and samurai shodown are my favourite.19:29
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ryukazouYou could also try mame https://packages.debian.org/sid/mame19:47
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+ reform30273 (~mntpocket@2603:8001:e200:1e1:67b6:fe2:848b:5c19)20:31
reform30273im going to be selling the pocket reform and want to reset the operating system so that the new owner can go through the setup wizard. how do i go about doing this?20:32
reform30273hello?20:33
reform30273anyone here?20:34
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reform31050hello20:43
reform31050anyone here20:43
reform31050??20:43
reform31050hello?20:45
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reform10997hello?20:51
reform10997anyone here?20:52
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grimmwareminute: on subsequent documentation releases it might be worth clarifying how IRC works or maybe even hiding it a bit to push people toward the forum21:04
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reform24774im selling the pocket reform and want to restart the setup wizard for the new owner. how do i go about doing this?21:44
reform24774hello?21:45
vkoskivWould probably be best to write a fresh system image to the boot disk21:46
vkoskivAre you booting it off an SD card?21:46
reform24774yeah21:46
reform24774but whenever i do that i get a black screen21:46
reform24774sorry but im a beginner21:47
vkoskivYou get a black screen whenever you do what?21:47
reform24774i get a black screen when i try to boot from a micro sd card21:48
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gordon1https://files.catbox.moe/m74zor.JPG https://files.catbox.moe/i81llt.JPG22:02
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gordon1also this trackball - the absolute best fidget toy22:33
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grimmwaregordon1: yeah I wouldn't be able to leave that alone22:52
gordon1i have logitech m570 and it does not invoke the same reaction, maybe it's up to the ball size being perfect middle ground22:57
grimmwareI think it's the way it's mounted in there too22:58
grimmwareI think I'm also experiencing some projected Ikea effect too22:58
gordon1i need to make standalone version for work that i can bring to the office or something22:58
gordon1minute: you don't have any spare trackballs in stock, do you?22:59
joschgordon1: if you are interested in open hardware trackballs, there is also the ploopy: https://ploopy.co/adept-trackball/23:07
joschminute: bisection succesful. This commit breaks it: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a879141dcd15d2db876ce3adf88b9b01650b7fa23:08
gordon1not bad, and usb-c, i'll take a look, thank you23:08
joschminute: reverting it on top of 6.12 makes the internal display work again: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/8023:09
joschi have no hdmi display at hand, so i wasn't able to check yet whether hdmi works or not23:09
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joschmaybe somebody with an imx8mq and a hdmi display can check the kernel built by that CI pipeline?23:12
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