2025-01-18.log

grimmwarehramrach: that was me who did the thing with the accelerometers00:02
hramrachgordon1: yes, and from the discussion it seems that the IC is manufactured to do something like this, and then you find that you have a PSU that can do 2A at most and need to fit that curve to that restriction somehow00:03
gordon1oh, i got what you're saying, yeah i think it can just be achieved the way L29Ah said, at least that' my plan to achieve, but i am not aware of the combined PD + charger solutions, maybe some fancy integrated everything-in-one USB-C IC like they put in laptops nowdays can do that00:06
hramrachL29Ah: you may need to be able to start charging while the EC is still off - if not then it's probably the best solution00:09
gordon1some i2c digital resistors have permanent memory, so EC can just write safe value there before dying00:10
gordon1so it will start to charge00:10
hramrachgrimmware: it's a cool lid switch :)00:12
hramrachwhat is the state now, anyway. Last time I heard there was some attempt at making the protocol more generl but don't know how that went00:13
grimmwareI star00:15
grimmwareFfs00:15
minutehramrach: which pd charging discussion exactly? in pocket the current is digitally adjustable00:15
grimmwareI started looking in to it but I didn’t really spend much time on it00:15
minutehramrach: just on reform classic with the ltc4020 that's not possible, as it is a very analog chip and has a limiting resistor.00:16
hramrachnot sure exactly, there are always some charging problems, some suppliyes not sypplying wenough power to raise teh machine from full discharge, it's like a never ending story00:16
minutehramrach: i think that is kind of a nihilistic view that ignores all the nuance/progress that has been made00:17
hramrachand that many of the problem reports are users of old firmware, too00:17
minuteyes. people will need to upgrade soon00:17
hramrachI kind of do not care, my PD PSU does provide 100W output, and can bring the big reform from 000:18
minutei tagged a release today and we're shipping that with the rk3588 pocket reform diy kits that are going out next week00:18
hramrachbut it does mean I need to keep around the big PSU when travelling in case my battery charge ever gets low because smaller PSUs may not work, even with the Pocket there eare problems00:19
minutehramrach: is that a real problem?00:20
minutehramrach: i mean, with the latest fw and all?00:20
hramrachThere are some complaints on the forum, likely not all with the latest firmware00:21
hramrachand yes, some PSUs are just too bad as well. just found that a USB PD 'phone charger' will disconnect the device when the power draw is *too low*00:22
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BoostisBetterhramrach: ch also has a sysctrl firmware that works with MUCH more PD chargers. So far all of the ones that I have in the house. The downside is that you then loose host mode on that port. SO you can only use it for PD charging. That is fine for me, as I don't really plug anything into the Pocket. However, that firmware is working really well it would seem. 09:01
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gordon1so what are you thoughts? will that work? https://litter.catbox.moe/x23nfy.png https://litter.catbox.moe/hbfccg.png screws replaced by 3x1 or 3x2 magnets, but i had to make top lid thicker, maybe 2.5mm or so instead of 1, will it interfere with trackball buttons?11:32
joschgordon1: are those hinges in the back? As in: is it supposed to be opened like a box lid? That might actually interfere with the case itself at the location where the lid hinges are.11:35
gordon1correct, i have a feeling that you don't need to open it all the way, just 70° or so to pull the ball out11:36
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gordon1so there is a cutout in pcb around 30x30mm and my hinge thing is smaller that it (28x28mm), and when it opens it might be slightly more, i might have to make a little cutout in the round rim of a lid at the front11:46
gordon1maybe like that? https://litter.catbox.moe/upnppv.png11:48
gordon1i mean it's ugly af, can be done better11:49
joschyes, like that it would be able to open a bit more but at least to me it still looks either very, very tight or just not possible11:51
joschgordon1: you have a reform, yes?11:51
gordon1not yet11:52
gordon1but hopefully i'll get my reform in few months11:52
gordon1preparing...11:52
joschah i see :)11:53
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gordon1is there a good 10 mm between trackball pcb and top of the case or i am misinterpreting the model?13:40
gordon1there is, okay i see your point now13:44
gordon1has to be something like this https://litter.catbox.moe/8r5dv2.png13:49
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joschgordon1: i'd offer to print this and test it out but this looks super challenging for a normal fdm printer because you cannot print the cup upside-down anymore as there is now two "hinges" sticking out13:59
gordon1i'm printing it on prusa mk3 and previous one worked fine, trick is to print it hollow side up with bunch of supports14:00
joschsure, more supports make most things work :)14:00
joschi like the idea of replacing the screws with magnets but maybe the hinge is overcomplicating it14:01
gordon1it is definitely how it is printed for production trackballs, you can see it on the website https://shop.mntre.com/spree/products/435/large/P1030517-edit.jpg?171276225914:01
gordon1josch: i designed it to have a 1mm stainless pin there, so that might be an issue, but probably fine to test w/o it14:03
gordon1what is the trackball pcb's thickness? 1.6?14:59
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gordon1josch: if you want to give it a try, it printed fine with 0.15mm layer height 0.4mm nozzle and even hinges didn't split immediately after i put some 1mm drill through it to clean it up https://0x0.st/8HHk.tar16:29
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BoostisBetterminute: I know it is the weekend, but I am wondering if you have had a minute (no pun intended) to check my logs? DO you have an idea of what the problem could be?17:31
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minuteBoostisBetter: next week17:40
minuteBoostisBetter: i already looked at them and i couldn't see anything except that the keyboard stops working on usb17:41
minuteBoostisBetter: no idea yet why though. lets see if it goes away when we ship you your rk3588 upgrade17:41
minute(iirc you ordered one)17:42
gordon1BoostisBetter: did you check if the usb cable physically in fine condition?17:44
gordon1just in case17:44
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BoostisBetterminute: yes I ordered the upgrade kit with the wifi package as well. 17:59
BoostisBettergordon1 that isn't a bad idea. Just to make sure I didn't pull it out some or somethning when I was moving the wifi antenna 17:59
BoostisBetterALthough I kind of doubt it. Because it goes away with a hard power over and on18:00
BoostisBetterIf the cable was bad or something like that then the togglging of power wouldn18:00
BoostisBetter't change any of that. 18:00
gordon1BoostisBetter: the cable can just have a intermittent connect, just take a multimeter (hopefully you have one) and check the continuity over all four wires while cable is disconnected, that will give you some idea, there is a little metal tab on a side that you can use to poke your probe into https://litter.catbox.moe/116mst.jpg wiggle the cable a bit to check if the contact is solid18:07
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BoostisBettergordon1: thanks, if it continues, I'll get to the point where I do that. Just now I just made sure that the cables were firmly in. 18:13
BoostisBetterminute: did your latest kb firmware have an auto timeout on the kb backlights?18:13
BoostisBetterminute: I seriously wonder if messing with the leds is the source of the issue. 18:14
BoostisBetterAnyone think KDE would work on the Pocket? 18:28
gordon1i don't see the reason why it shouldn't18:28
BoostisBetteris the way to install it simply doing an apt install kde? 18:29
joschBoostisBetter: kde-standard or, if you'd like to have everything: kde-full18:32
joschfor kde plasma, install kde-plasma-desktop18:32
joschor, if you'd like to have the selection that debian-installer would install: task-kde-desktop18:32
josch(all of these rely heavily on recommends)18:32
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BoostisBetterI did a kde-full18:33
BoostisBetterI have the room, hahaha18:33
joschthis is not only about the room18:41
joschkde-full will also install kde-plasma-desktop which in turn installs sddm the login manager18:42
joschso there might be a new service that starts on bootup18:42
joschkde-plasma-desktop also Recommends xserver-xorg which you don't want18:42
BoostisBetterjosch: soi maybe I should just go right back and uninstall it18:45
BoostisBetterI really don't want to mess with the greeter18:45
BoostisBetterdoing that had the thing install SOOO many packages though. So many18:45
minuteBoostisBetter: you mean changing the led brightness causes trouble? 18:47
BoostisBetteryeah. Before any of that, I don't remember the keyboard ever having problems. Maybe it just causes a desync or something on the uart line? 18:50
BoostisBetterNo idea, just speculating. 18:50
minuteBoostisBetter: interesting. maybe because of power fluctuations. 18:55
joschBoostisBetter: uninstallation will not get you exactly the state back you had before19:05
joschbefore installing gigabytes of packages it is usually a good idea to take a snapshot of your system19:06
joschpackages are more than just some data, they also come with configuration and services19:06
+ bkeys (~Thunderbi@173.16.175.75)19:07
BoostisBetteryeah I see that now. Restarting saw a bunch of new stuff, and there is no greeterd anymore. It logs in like how the Classic Reform did. 19:08
joschokay, good19:08
BoostisBetterI could start sway of course, so the thing isn't broken or anything, just install kde-full dorked some things up. 19:08
BoostisBetterminute: due to the size of the pocket, and the way one would use it, I think if there is going to be a pocket mainboard 2 that it would be good to breakout the ports like on the next. I worry about wearing out the USB C PD port on the Pocket. 19:16
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L29Ahwhat's wrong with xorg on reform?20:44
BoostisBetterL29Ah: I don't think anything. Although I have never directly used it. xWayland doesn't seem to have issues though and X applications run without issue for me. 20:54
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vkoskivTry /quit21:38
gordon1i appreciate :q tho21:55
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joschL29Ah: if you have one of the newer SoMs, you will have a bad experience with Xorg. It seems that graphics driver authors in mesa do not really target Xorg compatibility anymore... (something that other people in this channel have said -- this info is not first hand)23:00
L29Ahoh, would be interesting to know the details23:02
joschsure, here is something for a311d: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/102323:04
joschit more or less works with imx8mq, at least it used to: https://community.mnt.re/t/getting-x11-working-again/191123:04
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mhoyejosch: afact the imx8mq won't do X11 anymore.23:33
mhoyeRegrettably23:35
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gordon1looks like rk3588 should be supported by panfrost and mesa supports panfrost as well, though i have no idea how good it works23:41
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gordon1gentoo wiki mentions it should work starting from 6.123:43
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