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chit should not be necessary to change any jumpers, as long as fwupd(mgr|tool) sees the sysctl 00:02
chwhich fw did you download?00:04
savastenhttps://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/commit/a98e2bd326a7696c282757d4fc87b3f59974cef700:10
savastenwhich should be ga98e2bd i think00:11
savastencommand ; fwupdmgr install --allow-older sysctl.cab00:12
minutesavasten: are you sure the system powered off?00:12
minutesavasten: ah you're on hdmi right?00:12
minutesavasten: i have a suspicion00:13
minutesavasten: can you tell me the output of sudo cat /sys/devices/platform/fde30000.dsi/fde30000.dsi.0/mnt_pocket_reform_panel_version00:14
minutesavasten: also, if you could pastebin/gist the output of sudo dmesg | grep -i dsi00:15
savasten[    0.169317] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000/panel@000:18
savasten[    0.169367] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/display-controller@32e8000000:18
savasten[    0.169461] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000/panel@0: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e6000000:18
savasten[    0.169514] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/display-controller@32e80000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e6000000:18
savasten[    0.190713] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000/panel@000:18
savasten[    0.190767] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/display-controller@32e8000000:18
savasten[    0.190846] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000/panel@0: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e6000000:18
savasten[    0.190946] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/display-controller@32e80000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e6000000:18
savasten[    0.192079] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000/panel@000:18
savasten[    0.192116] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/display-controller@32e8000000:18
savasten[    0.192244] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000/panel@0: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e6000000:18
savasten[    0.192532] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/display-controller@32e8000000:18
savasten[    0.192639] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/display-controller@32e80000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e6000000:18
savasten[    2.314734] samsung-dsim 32e60000.dsi: supply vddcore not found, using dummy regulator00:18
savasten[    2.314866] samsung-dsim 32e60000.dsi: supply vddio not found, using dummy regulator00:18
savasten[    2.315370] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000/panel@000:18
savasten[    2.315476] /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000/panel@0: Fixed dependency cycle(s) with /soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e6000000:18
savasten[    2.315699] panel-mnt-pocket-reform 32e60000.dsi.0: DSI burst mode enabled via device tree00:18
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savastencat: /sys/devices/platform/fde30000.dsi/fde30000.dsi.0/mnt_pocket_reform_panel_version: No such file or directory00:21
savastenls /sys/devices/platform/00:25
savastenbt-rfkill/           funnel/              power/               regulator-main-1v2/  regulator-main-usb/  serial8250/          sound-wwan/00:25
savastenetnaviv/             imx8m-soc/           psci/                regulator-main-1v8/  regulator-pcie/      snd-soc-dummy/       sound-wwan-codec/00:25
savastenfirmware:optee/      imx-cpufreq-dt/      psci-cpuidle/        regulator-main-3v3/  regulator-wlan-vmmc/ soc@0/               timer/00:25
savastenFixed MDIO bus.0/    pmu/                 reg-dummy/           regulator-main-5v/   regulatory.0/        sound/               uevent00:25
chuname -a?00:25
savastenLinux pocketmnky 6.12.9-mnt-reform-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.12.9-1+reform20250110T183608Z (2025-01-10) aarch64 GNU/Linux00:27
chcan you check /sys/devices/platform/soc@0/bus@32c00000/dsi@32e60000/panel@0 if that has an mnt_pocket_reform_panel_version?00:29
chnot sure where it should be on imx800:30
savastencat /sys/devices/platform/soc@0/32c00000.bus/32e60000.dsi/32e60000.dsi.0/mnt_pocket_reform_panel_version00:36
savasten100:36
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minutech: thanks00:53
minutesavasten: thanks a ton! next time i kindly ask you to copy all that output to a pastebin or github gist or such, because it's too much output to paste directly into IRC00:54
minutewow ok so my 80% brightness thing was a really bad idea but there is one way out00:55
minutesavasten: ok before you try fwupd again can you do: brightnessctl s 000:56
minutesavasten: sorry no, that won't work00:58
minutewe need to set it via spi00:58
minutesavasten: sorry, i need to sleep but i know what's the problem now and how to fix it, will work on it tomorrow01:00
minute(we need to set the display v2 pwm brightness to 0 via reform2-lpc and then one will be able to update out of this version)01:01
chhow does that make updating fail? (can wait until tomorrow, too tired to think this through now)01:03
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minutech: there is an if clause in sysctl that says don't turn off the latch if the brightness is not 0 or 100 (for display v2)01:07
minutech: if the latch stays on (in latch mode) then resetting the rp2040 will immediately forward the default gpio values to the latch and thus turn the power off01:07
chah01:08
chdamn01:08
minutech: this was ok when disp v2 brightness was set to 100% by default01:08
minutech: but i did a thing where in the brightness setting function i clamped the value to 80%01:08
chyeah makes sense now01:08
minuteso the remaining case is 0%01:09
minutebut there is no userspace interface for it if the display is detected as v101:09
minuteso i could add a sysfs based manual override for that in reform2-lpc01:10
minutei mean for manually setting this brightness value01:10
joschin the meantime, i managed to acquire a cheap HDMI capture device and was able to record how to install Debian Bookworm with the Gnome desktop (both classic and normal work fine) on a imx8mq reform using debian-installer: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/MNT/Reform201:14
joschI got confirmation from the debian-www team that posting installations of Debian derivatives is fine as long as debian-installer is used (even debian-installer with patches)01:14
savasten thank you all and have a wonderful night01:14
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joschsurprise reform next request from Elen Eisendle?11:58
josch*merge request11:58
minuteonly surprising for some :D12:47
BoostisBetterminute: when I placed my order for the Next I didn't get the camera module. I am wondering I order it now through crowd supply will it just be bundled together with my Next order, or will it be another order?12:53
BoostisBetterIE: will it be assembled with the Next or shipped seperately?12:53
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minuteBoostisBetter: only crowd supply will be able to tell you that, i'm afraid13:16
BoostisBetterminute: ok. Thanks13:19
BoostisBetterdeoes the webcam have a mic?13:19
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chcute nickname13:31
minuteBoostisBetter: nope13:53
BoostisBetterch: do you mean me? 14:41
chno, ln14:42
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joschch: i see the irony, looking at your own nick ;)15:06
chno irony (:15:16
chcertainly this game was taken to the next level15:16
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mhoyethis morning I woke up thinking, wait, the Reform Next motherboard won't be automatically backwards compatible with the Gen1?16:58
minutemhoye: no, it's a completely different design. but i also made a new mb for the classic17:00
mhoyeHow could I - a person who bought a boutique small-batch laptop that he has since modified, drilled out and resoldered - be expected to endure this indignity.17:00
mhoyeoh, hah!17:00
mhoyeI'm here being sarcastic about how that would be a totally unreasonable thing to expect, but even in that I am humbled.17:01
mhoye@minute Man, we don't deserve you.17:02
jfredOof, the bit about SBCs in here doesn't bode well: https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/12/21/rockchip-rk3588-mainline-linux-support-current-status-and-future-work-for-2025/17:17
jfredminute: hopefully stock won't be an issue by the time you put in the t-firefly orders17:20
minutejfred: this is all debunked already17:35
minutejfred: we spoke to firefly who spoke to rockchip who have denied the claims in this article. there won't be any problems with supply for us17:35
minutejfred: i think only orange pi (and maybe someone else) won't get the rk3588 anymore for unknown reasons17:36
minutebut not sure if that's even true17:36
minutetom cubie (radxa) also wrote about this in the comments.17:36
jfredminute: oh phew, good17:36
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minutein which i try to paint myself out of the corner again https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/11118:20
+ savasten (~savasten@64.39.201.193)18:24
minutehi savasten 18:31
minutesavasten: i made a new reform2-lpc driver that should help with your problem of getting the fw updated18:31
minutesavasten: can you install this .deb on your pocket? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/jobs/7408/artifacts/raw/reform2-lpc-dkms_1.65_all.deb18:32
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minutesavasten: after reboot you will then have a new file "brightness" in /sys/bus/spi/drivers/reform2_lpc/spi1.0 (or maybe the directory is called a bit different on imx8mp?)18:34
minuteah, gone18:34
minuteok, where will i write this down18:34
minuteok, documented here now https://community.mnt.re/t/unable-to-charge/2929/2918:47
chrandom info: sudo su -> sudo -i; for > i think the common hack is echo 0 | sudo tee /wherever18:49
minutech: thx!18:51
minutech: now the bad news: for pockets with display v2 sysctl updates to work, we will need to force the brightness to 100% before doing the update :D18:51
minute(or 0% but that's inconvenient)18:51
chcan you replace fwupdmgr with sudo fwupdtool in the instructions, just to get a higher chance of it working, even if reform-tools is a bit older?18:53
ch(fwupdmgr talks to the running fwupd daemon; fwupdtool skips the daemon and thus avoids the sandboxing problem)18:53
minutech: oh ok18:57
minutech: the other args can stay like that?18:58
chyes18:58
minuteok changed, thx18:58
chthx18:58
chwell18:58
chthe sysctl fw could clear the latch before resetting18:59
+ savasten (~savasten@64.39.201.193)19:00
minutech: yeah if we can hook into the reset somehow?19:02
chyeah, lets see19:02
minutech: that would be the most elegant yeah19:02
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minutech: wow very nice!19:13
minutechartreuse: i'm looking into headphone jack detect on classic reform mb 3.0. besides fixing the pullup resistor and adding 2 lines to dts, anything else you needed to do? because i get no reaction at the moment when teseting it19:13
chi wanted to try this, but... even on a v1 display, if i just echo 30 > /sys/bus/spi/drivers/reform2_lpc/spi1.0/brightness, i should get the v2 behaviour, right?19:14
chwhat happened is that my sysctl crashed, i think19:14
minutech: it should kill the display basically19:14
minutech: 30 should be quite "dangerous" on disp v1 as it will pwm the display enable pin19:16
minutech: on disp v1 that pin is not for brightness but for dcdc enable of the display itself19:16
chyeah makes sense, but the sysctl should continue running, righ?19:16
minutech: yes19:16
minutech: it doesn't?19:16
chmy ssh connection died, and oled shows T19:17
chso i think the sysctl died19:17
minuteugh19:17
chlets try that again after a full reset19:17
minutewhen i tested (but i set to 0) i was able to power cycle using the rp2040 so i guess it didn't die...19:18
minuteusing oled menu i mean19:18
ch0 works19:19
chwth19:19
minutemaybe pwming at 30 makes something really unhappy19:19
chworks now19:20
minutemaybe you hit a rare moment where spi actually hangs the rp2040? :D19:20
chexcellt timing, i guess :)19:20
minutehehe as always19:21
chits somewhat reproducible19:27
minutehmm19:28
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chcurrent thinking: if first write is done with 0, it works, with >0 it crashes19:29
chbut sample size is 3 atm19:29
chhttps://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/31 this works though19:29
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savasten@minute The solution worked perfectly thank you all.19:31
minutesavasten: oh wow, good to hear, thank you!19:32
minutech: cool, will merge19:32
chgave echo 99 > a few more tries, seems mostly reliable to kill the sysctl. only once it continued 19:33
chif you dont see it i can try attaching a uart cable in the next few days, and see if theres anything useful there19:34
minutech: ok thx! 19:36
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chthat was more fun than repackaging asterisk19:45
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joschch: my condolences19:52
joschhuh so jack detect still doesn't work with motherboard 3.0 :(19:53
minutejosch: well right now i don't have any audio19:53
minuteso maybe i just messed something up @ dts19:53
joschyou probably meant these two lines of the dts that you changed: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/6/diffs19:54
joschthose are by sigrid 19:54
minuteah19:54
joschinspired by 9front which has this working as far as i understood19:54
minuteok it does _kind of_ work19:57
minutei hear no audio at all, but if i move the volume slider in pavucontrol, the speakers crackle19:58
minuteif i plug in the headphones and do that, the speakers don't crackle19:58
josch\o/19:59
minuteinconvenient: the system doesn't detect that the switch is switched though19:59
joschhuh19:59
minuteyeah there doesn't seem to be any functionality for this in the wm8960 driver19:59
minuteit only internally switches something in the chip19:59
joschoh great :(20:00
minutebut also, first i need to restore any audio playback at all...20:00
chhttps://community.mnt.re/t/unable-to-charge/2929/35 the second part there sounds like what my sysctl was doing too20:02
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minutesomeone should write a new linux that has dts hot reload20:12
minutech: yeah20:13
minuteoof but two people's pockets rescued from my trap at least20:13
chi guess you could use the dts overlay support and reload the audio driver?20:13
minutech: afaik linux doesn't have dts overlay support. only rpi linux20:14
minute(last time i checked. did it change?)20:14
minutejosch: ok so there must be something more to these wlf, things. without them, audio works again on my 3.0 classic 20:16
chhmm ok, there's only partial overlay stuff upstream20:16
chmeh20:16
minutech: strange huh!20:16
minuteargh now i have to dig through wm8960 stuff again...20:22
minutecryptic > hp-cfg[0]: HPSEL[1:0] of R48 (Additional Control 4).20:23
minute> hp-cfg[1]: {HPSWEN:HPSWPOL} of R24 (Additional Control 2).20:23
minute> hp-cfg[2]: {TOCLKSEL:TOEN} of R23 (Additional Control 1).20:23
Zabaiirc no proposed way to implement dts overlays was accepted upstream (so far) so every SBC kernel that supports them ships something out of tree20:26
minute> When using the ADCLRC/GPIO1 pin as a headphone detect input, the ALRCGPIO register bit needs20:28
minuteto be set to 120:28
minutebut we don't use that pin20:28
minuteso the first entry of wlf,gpio-cfg should _not_ be 120:28
minuteahh i see, the wlf,gpio-cfg was meant to output the jack detect state on the gpio1 pin which is actually the rxfs pin20:30
minutethis pin is shorted on the rk3588 module via resistor r26 to lxfs20:32
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minuteok, jack detect works now with rk3588 mnt reform 3.0, just the software has no way of knowing about it. it's not super bad though because one can just leave both volumes enabled and the chip internal switch cares about the rest20:39
minuteto make this not annoying with pavucontrol one would need to write a custom alsa ucm profile though20:40
minuteoh niiice we have PCIe Gen.3 x4 link up on classic reform motherboard 3.020:45
minutequick read benchmark shows 2.9GB/s20:45
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joschwow o020:55
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BoostisBettervery nice!21:06
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minutejosch: i think usb power stability is improved https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/11382285066398764421:09
BoostisBetterAnd I nice picture of Tina as well. 21:11
minutenow saved to disk!21:11
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amospallajosch: MR on sbin/reform-emmc-bootstrap https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/11221:17
BoostisBetterminute: I do miss floppies for sure. I feel they peaked with the 3 1/2 disk as well. 21:23
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minuteBoostisBetter: i never got to try stuff like MO disks!21:24
BoostisBetterminute: It is kind of like the cassette tape, there was a certain comfortable familiarity and usage that helped to overcome their limitations. 21:25
minutei wonder if ASUS SBW-06D5H-U works to burn m-disc with linux?21:36
minutewould make it almost worthwhile to get one...21:36
BoostisBetterm-disc was great and it is a real shame it didn't really take off21:36
minuteah it didn't? i only heard about it today21:37
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+ colinsane (~colinunin@97-126-15-51.tukw.qwest.net)21:38
minuteah > 128 GB BDXL never made it to market due to the 2016 bankruptcy21:38
minuteverbatim still makes them though21:38
BoostisBetterYeah Sony held onto the tech too long and this prevent mass buy in I think. 21:42
BoostisBetter*precented21:42
BoostisBetter**grrr, prevented21:43
cwebbercheering on the Reform Next https://social.coop/@cwebber/11382298613839787521:47
minutecwebber: awesome, thanks a ton!!21:50
joschcwebber: wow awesome posts! I'm currently ripping out the Debian-specific parts from reform-tools. If there is anything that the reform-tools project can do to make integration with guix easier, feel free to talk to me about it! :)21:55
cwebberjosch: <322:01
+ mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)22:09
- mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)22:11
joschminute: could you enable gitlab CI for https://source.mnt.re/amospalla/reform-tools/ thank you!22:12
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- cow321 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)22:16
minutejosch: done!22:16
joschthank you!! :)22:23
minuteclassic: i swapped rx/tx on the lpc -> usb-uart in mb3.0. but in anticipation of that i placed 2x 0 ohm resistors so i can easily bodge that tomorrow.22:24
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+ cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)22:46
cwebberoh-ho, has a solution to the blank screen thing been found? https://community.mnt.re/t/unable-to-charge/2929/29 this looks promising22:48
minutecwebber: but you didn't update to my borked sysctl firmware or...?22:59
minutecwebber: i think we'll receive your pocket reform tomorrow :222:59
minute:3 even22:59
cwebberminute: yeah I just did a debian apt upgrade thingy23:00
cwebberso I guess that probably didn't update the firmware23:00
cwebberand yay!23:00
minutecwebber: yeah it will be some more interesting mystery i think23:12
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