2025-01-09.log

minutesvp: happened just like that? 00:00
minutesvp: sounds like some hdmi encoding/colorspace problem. did you change anything about the software? is the rpi "rainbow" bootup screen already wrong?00:01
svphappened just like that. in fact i got my rpi yesterday morning, and yes it goes all green even at the rainbow00:01
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minutesvp: ah can you give a bit more background? is this the first time trying out the rcm4 + hdmi adapter, and you got it yesterday? from mnt or from CS?00:03
minuteif it's green at the rainbow it sounds like a hardware issue (i haven't seen that one yet). we did test all hdmi adapters manually though00:04
svpi already had the rcm4 + adapter, but i only managed to source a raspi from Mouser recently though00:10
svpannoyingly enough i dont have any other compute module with double hdmi output to cross check whose fault it is. go figure :v00:11
minutesvp: i'm sorry to hear it... if it's an option, banana pi cm4 can be had pretty cheaply and is used with internal DSI instead of hdmi00:25
minutesvp: another option is to send the rcm4+cm4+adapter to us for inspection/fixing00:25
svpi do have a bpi i also tried (works like a charm!), right now i'm giving another shot to a milk-v cm4 but if that doesnt go anywhere i do have that option to fold to00:30
svpif it's hardware i can troubleshoot it myself, i just need to verify if it's the pi or the adapter...00:32
svpspeaking of banana pi, any ETA on the horizon for emmc boot?00:33
chhttps://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-hacking-the-rp2350 interesting talk (covers the otp/secure boot fuses)00:34
minutesvp: emmc boot should work, i recently tested it. i just had one bpi cm4 where it sometimes hung in uboot, but that might have been a fluke00:43
joschsvp: i have u-boot as well as /boot on my emmc with a311d -- no problems so far with that00:45
svpsplendid, last time i tried setting it up reform-boot-config kept complaining and i dont really want to risk bricking this thing again until i have an extra carrier board for it, the ones i had are all in use on my NAS... rn it does (only) have u-boot, though00:48
joschsvp: if you find bugs, please tell me00:50
svpi'll give it a go during the week!00:50
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amospallaminute: compared the August sysctl firmware with the latest one, battery consumption is the same (7:40 hours with everything shut down on my pocket). Also with the latest firmware power consumption is equally reported (540mAh on average during these 7:40 hours), and it doesn't exhibit the "remaining battery 0%" anymore.10:29
amospallathank you for the work.10:30
amospallaWould a test of battery time depletion with the latest keyboard firmware be useful?10:31
+ kian (~kian@62.31.226.50)10:53
minuteamospalla: thanks for the thorough testing! yes, depletion time would be interesting11:28
amospallagood, that would be the latest keyboard available right?11:28
amospallathat should be the latest ran job on the "usb-preempt" branch right? (it is 7287)11:30
+ mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)11:35
chusb-preempt is merged, use the latest build on master i'd say11:55
amospallathank you! that should be 731611:56
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amospallaThe included update-keyboard-firmware.sh script fails because it can not find the string PREFHID in the binary file. However it contains the string PREF1HID, is that a typo I can ignore and keep going on?12:03
amospallaI guess it is, but better asking.12:03
amospallaNote the "1" in PREF1HID not present in the script PREFHID string.12:05
BoostisBetteryes I just commented out the check on my end12:06
BoostisBetterit updates without issue afterwards .12:06
amospallathank you12:06
+ aloo_shu (~aloo_shu@90.166.98.247)12:08
minutejosch: was there a specific reason for rebuilding the system image a bunch of time last night?12:12
joschminute: i have not rebuilt it last night -- i only rebuilt it once this morning12:14
joschreason: ch pointed out a few days ago that wl-roots might be borked in unstable and that people should not be upgrading12:15
minuteoh you're right, i confused build time with dates12:15
minute:D12:15
joschi wanted to find out if that is true or not12:15
joschspoiler: it works fine :)12:15
minutei'll keep the images from 7323 as we're using them to flash new pocket reforms atm :D12:15
joschminute: maybe create a tag for that commit? then you will always know which state you flashed and the artifacts will not get deleted12:16
minutealright12:17
joschthat can then be one of the "known-good" images12:18
minutedone12:18
minuteuff the first tag is from june 2020...12:19
josch"First shipping beta release for Reform 2.0" -- how time flies!12:20
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minuteyeah :D12:24
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minutebtw took reform with mb 3.0 and rk3588 home last night, charged it there and watched some sopraons over hdmi. so far very stable12:24
BoostisBetterHow are you watching the Sopranos though ?12:30
BoostisBetterSteaming or downloaded video through mpv or something/ 12:30
BoostisBetterSteaming or downloaded video through mpv or something?12:30
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minuteBoostisBetter: can't comment12:44
BoostisBetterminute: hehehe12:44
joschDoes anybody want to nuke their emmc to test the new reform-emmc-bootstrap utility? :)12:47
joschI just successfully done so with my Debian Trixie installation via d-i on my imx8mq reform and reform-emmc-bootstrap was able to make the system bootable again12:47
joschHere is the current state of the script: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4e5d1255/12:47
joschIt would help to try this out on multiple different setups as it currently only supports very simple setups with plain rootfs on NVMe or encrypted rootfs on NVMe12:48
joschminute: which other setups should this support?12:48
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amospallajosch: does this script also apply to Pocket?12:55
joschamospalla: maybe :)12:56
joschsomebody [tm] has to try12:56
amospallaI don't really know it is doing, but it trying helps let's try.12:57
+ paperManu (~paperManu@107.159.243.8)12:57
amospallaI can find time this weekend.12:57
joschcool!12:57
joschi hope you have nothing of value on your system XD12:57
amospallaHow should I later restore my current system?12:57
joschthis *is* to restore your current system12:58
amospallaBoot from sdcard and rsync boot and root back and forth?12:58
joschthis is for users who have their rootfs on SSD12:58
joschand their /boot on the emmc12:58
joschthen they upgrade their SoM12:58
amospallaoh :(12:58
joschso essentially, their /boot is lost12:58
joschso this tool re-creates the contents of the eMMC from scratch, creating a /boot partition with the contents that boot the main system on the SSD12:59
amospallaCan I still do anything with my pocket, if it is a eMMC only setup?13:00
joschif you have everything on eMMC then the tool is not for you13:00
joschit will wipe eMMC13:00
amospallaok, sorry then :/13:00
joschhence the term "bootstrap" in the name13:00
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amospallaIf I put a NVME on my pocket, can I test your tool, and later restore the /boot to boot again from eMMC ?13:04
+ mtm (~textual@47.202.75.129)13:06
amospallaOh I understand, I need a working system on NVME, your tool will recreate /boot only. I can migrate to NVME and then test.13:11
joschamospalla: with effort, sure13:11
joschyes13:12
joschbut please back up your eMMC XD13:12
amospallaThe only thing I'm afraid of is that hidden boot thing on the eMMC.13:12
joschwhat's the hidden boot thing?13:12
joschoh good point, the tool should also flash u-boot13:12
amospallaBecause I don't understand it and its implications, but I don't care other things.13:13
amospallaYeah, I don't know what it is or how is named, but I think you got it.13:13
amospallaThe u-boot hidden disk zone would be maybe.13:14
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amospallaI guess it somewhat resembles the BIOS bootsector code, that is, something that is needed to boot and not directly accesible on a mounted file system.13:15
amospallaBut in the arm embedded world.13:15
joschamospalla: i'd compare it more to a bootloader like grub13:17
joschbut the u-boot binary contains more than just u-boot -- depending on the SoM you have more levels of bootloader blobs in front of it13:18
amospallaThank you for the notions :) :)13:20
amospallaI'll find time this weekend and try this.13:20
joschcool!13:21
amospallathank you13:22
amospallafor your work :)13:23
joschsame to you! :)13:25
Zabaif you want to compare u-boot to something from PCs, it’s really more of a combination of some of the functionality of the bios/UEFI firmware and an actual bootloader like grub13:41
Zabaalso I guess amospalla is referring to the boot area on the eMMC13:43
amospallaYes, the hidden boot area. I'm just referring to it as a black box, the same way BIOS mbr or UEFI partition/files are a black box to somebody that doesn't understand them, in the sense that if you break something don't know how to fix.13:47
amospallaBut there are files on /boot that are used by u-boot too.13:48
Zabawell it’s just a hardware partition, in the sense that it doesn’t share addresses with the user area, but needs to be accessed by putting the device into a special mode (which is designed to be easy to enter for code running in a space-constrained boot ROM)13:50
Zabaand whether/how it’s used depends on the SoC’s boot ROM 13:50
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amospallathank you :)13:56
amospallaThat is good for me, I can't overwrite it with disk tools.13:57
joschwell, at least not easily :)13:57
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joschminute: the latest version of reform-emmc-bootstrap is now part of https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/108 -- please let me know in what way you'd like me to fix/improve this14:10
+ chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a09:1500:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)14:20
amospallayeah, that is14:30
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binarmoin15:47
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jfredForm-factor-wise, I wonder how feasible it would be to build a Reform enclosure that's something like the Dynabook concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook17:08
jfredFinding the right display with that aspect ratio and with a touchscreen/pen digitizer feels like the most challenging part17:08
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amospallaminute: is reform's gitlab a good place to host this https://github.com/amospalla/reform ?18:54
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joschhrm...19:01
joschshould we have a reform-tools-extra or a reform-contrib package?19:01
joschit could contain "unofficial" scripts which are not mandatory for core-functionality19:01
amospallaplease, suggest a better name, I'm aware what you mean and I just put this to put something.19:01
amospallaand/or any other suggestion19:02
amospallaI don't know how to name them and other considerations, and I don't really care that much, but I feel they belong to reform repositories19:03
amospallaor maybe they don't, don't know, but I'm ok if they don't of course.19:04
amospallaI understand that hosting scripts somewhat could make people think these are supported in some way.19:07
amospallaI'm just asking, no expectations.19:07
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minutechatting from my MNT Reform Next at home ^^22:56
joschpffff.... i can also chat with my imx8mq reform classic -- we need some life streaming of factorio gameply to twitch ;)23:00
ch:D23:01
joschthe campaign video made it clear, it's the only^Wmain reason to get one!23:01
joschminute: oh and funny to see my forum posts in the campaign video XD23:02
joschyou grabbed some really old posts!23:02
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minutejosch: hahaha23:08
minuteyess23:08
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minutenice, cpu is at 41 degrees23:09
joschgreat stuff!23:09
joschthere is a forum post of somebody who runs a very hot pocket reform with rk358823:10
minuteuh oh :D23:10
minuteirritating about the next: the ports are the right way around23:11
joschliterally un-usable! (╯° °)╯︵ ┻━┻23:13
simbaIs it just me or is the forum currently not working?23:15
joschsimba: broken here as well23:17
chThe software powering this discussion forum encountered an unexpected problem. We apologize for the inconvenience.23:17
chwell23:17
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minutech: oh damn23:20
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minutech: i heard we're performing an upgrade23:22
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