2025-01-07.log

minutewofi (launcher) is a bit strange noawadays, sometimes it opens off-center00:20
minuteseems random00:20
minutehttps://www.ti.com/lit/wp/scaa124/scaa124.pdf00:23
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noamminute: I don't know, I wasn't in the room. Here's everything I do know: it was plugged into a power supply that sometimes fails to supply the correct voltage and kicks itself in a cycle, which - when I'm present - isn't a big deal, because I can unplug it, give it a few seconds, plug it in, and it's fine06:50
noamI wasn't watching, but I do know there were probably well over a dozen brownouts yesterday due to a storm06:50
noamI walked back, the screen was off while it was plugged in, so I figured it might have died because the power supply failed 06:51
noamThe sysctl oled was on at the time - I unplugged it, the OLED shut off, and I've been unable to get it back on since06:51
noamIf I plug in a power supply, I get the red light for a connection06:51
noamneither the power supply fuse nor the LiFePO fuse is blown06:51
noamSomething smelled burnt.06:51
noamThe cells are all fine, but were _horrendously_ imbalanced06:52
noamOne of them was ~2V, the others were all over 3V06:52
noamI've been able to charge them all using an external circuit without issues06:52
noamPlugging into DC power supply, while turning on the red light, fails to power the system controller, I think - the OLED does not turn on06:53
noamjfred: I'll check it out06:53
noamIt was plugged in, yes06:53
noamMy suspicion is that the power supply handled the brownouts really, really, really badly.06:53
noamPotentially was wavering between undervolting and overvolting for a few seconds, I'm unsure06:54
noamjfred: ooh, interesting, I was also using a USB-C to barrel jack adaptor at the time!06:55
noam(from a sketchy USB-C power supply)06:55
noamiiiinteresting, following the foruim links through to https://community.mnt.re/t/laptop-unresponsive/749/11, I hve some ideas on what to test at least06:57
noamjfred: what repair shop? Any suggestions?06:59
noamOh, and if I put the cells in and attach a power supply, they do not charge, and nothing changes; it's as if the cells aren't in anyways07:09
noamHaven't tried since using an external charger, I figure I should check the diode and heating issues noted in the prior forum pages first.07:09
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noamminute: also,w as there another revision of the mainboard for reform classic coming soon?08:19
BoostisBetternoam: I think you will be able to use the Next innards in the Reform if you wanted. 09:13
chthere is a new mobo version coming09:19
chiirc in the finishing touches09:19
noam^ that's what I was curious about09:21
noamMore so than the Next stuff09:21
joschnoam: yes, as far as i know, this is the latest status update on that topicd https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/11356776382420210509:22
noammmmm not bad at all, though it makes me wonder if new steel side ports iwll be needed?09:22
noam(since USB-C instead of barrel jack)09:23
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[tj]Jan 3rd shipping date updated to Jan 1014:34
ericsfraga  [tj]: is that for pocket? I'm eagerly awaiting delivery but don't want to check for updates on the crowd supply website as it crashes my window manager (exwm) for some strange reason.14:52
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[tj]yeah crowdsupply pocket reform15:26
[tj]that is an incredible crash15:26
minutethere's a bug in the current main pocket sysctl fw state machine15:28
minute            printf("# [pd] [ERROR] toggle wrong: %d\n", vbus_ok);15:29
minute            pd_state->next_state = PD_STATE_CHARGER_DETECT;15:29
minutebut then it goes on and measures CC and then in any case overwrites this state 15:29
minutein PD_STATE_USB_DETECT15:29
minutech: did you already rework this stuff? then i might be inclined to early merge things from your for15:30
minutefork15:30
chminute: yeah all of that code is gone15:31
minuteok then it doesn't make sense i pull my hair about this15:32
chack15:32
minutecurrently i can't operate the device without batteries because it goes into some kind of reset loop15:32
minutethe pd charger goes into a loop i mean15:32
chright15:32
chyeah i've seen that happen on the normal fw15:32
minuteand that makes debugging of the hw very hard15:32
minuteok now how to merge your stuff...15:33
chi can rebase my branch in a moment15:33
minuteah that would be mega awesome15:33
chrebase is here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/25 - i will test it in a moment15:42
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minutech: niiice15:45
minutei finally did this https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/merge_requests/merge_request_troubleshooting.html#check-out-locally-by-adding-a-git-alias15:48
chok seems to work for me15:49
chfound an interesting problem with a new charger, but i think that probably also doesnt work on 'main'15:49
minutech: ok i also just flashed it, and it doesn't have the problematic looping behavior, so at least the board is now powered by 5V usb-c pd input (without charger board attached)15:50
minute(5.2V actually)15:50
minuteah, after replugging it goes to 20V15:50
minuteindeed this works much better than the old code15:51
chminute: do you have the 5v diode?15:51
minuteno i don't have the diode15:51
chheh15:51
minute(this PSU seems to give 5.2V though)15:51
chif you can give it a test on a board with the diode, that'd be good15:51
chespecially with a psu that doesn't do more than 6V15:51
minutech: sorry i misspoke. i _do_ have the original diode15:51
chah!15:51
minutei do not have the "hack"15:52
minuteok i will now connect a charger pcb15:52
minute(currently i had a power-in-out shim connected to pins 2+3 of charger port)15:52
chah you had no charger pcb altogether?15:52
chgood that it works :D15:52
minuteyeah it's very good.15:52
minutethen we can use this fw during production as well15:53
minutefor flashing motherboards15:53
minuteflashing soms i mean15:53
minuteACTION is jumbling up the nomenclature15:53
chsame15:53
ch:)15:53
jfredI appreciate all your work and troubleshooting because messing with the PD firmware would make me nervous ^^;15:54
minuteaha, with charger pcb and _no batteries_ it doesn't work because of the diode drop i guess15:54
minuteor some other drop on charger pcb15:55
chmaybe you can convince plom to send me a mobo [+charger pcb?], then testing these things would be a bit easier (:15:55
chcan you copy me the serial output?15:55
minutech: we can do it! i need to convince greta only :D15:55
minutech: serial output without batteries?15:55
chminute: (look at ticket #4827)15:55
minutech oh oh15:55
chminute: yeah, like when it doesnt work15:56
minuteok15:56
minutech: there's no serial then because the rp2040 can't be powered 15:56
chah 15:56
chright15:56
minutebut i can connect batteries and see what happens15:57
chugh, why does it not build in ci15:58
minutech: maybe missing tag?15:58
minutei didn't really look though15:58
cherror: 'g2ec2936' undeclared15:58
minuteah15:58
minuteyes my code expects MNTRE_FIRMWARE_VERSION to be an integer15:58
minutebut in this case it's a string15:58
minutethere's a way to wrap C defines in quotes after the fact but i forgot how/was too lazy yesterday15:59
chyeah i'm sure i did -something- about this16:00
chlet me dig16:00
minutei.e. i just hacked the display of that constant into the main branch yesterday16:00
ericsfraga[tj]: Thanks and, yes, horrible crash but only now and again. Easy enough to avoid.16:00
minutecharger works with batteries connected. now i'm inclined to try my old charger pcb that i think is busted16:02
minuteor should i try to blow this working one up first with that anker supply...16:02
ch:D16:02
minutemaybe that. then i can make sure it's really destructive16:02
minutebut this time with usb-c power meter in series16:02
chbtw, the usb-pd meter (but also the debugger) sometimes change the behaviour of the connected components16:03
chif in doubt, replug everything16:03
chand plug in the pocket last, i think16:04
minutecharger is fine16:05
minutei mean, this anker charger works fine with your firmware16:05
minutei tried with and without usb-pd meter16:05
minutemaybe the old firmware created some kind of destructive fast on/off loop? we'll probably never know16:06
chpossible16:06
chi did see chargers getting confused every now and then while i was working on my branch, so it wouldn't surprise me16:06
minuteyeah...16:06
minutealso the flickering of the usb-c pd meter display earlier did not inspire confidence16:06
chhaha yeah16:07
chexport PICO_SDK_PATH=/usr/src/pico-sdk adventure ahead! :D16:07
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minutech: ahaha16:12
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minutech: mega weird, my old broken charger pcb lives again16:24
chwell, nice? :)16:26
chhttps://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/26/diffs i think this should fix the build then16:26
ch(maybe its even correct. how much i hate string handling in C)16:27
minutemaybe there was a non-destructive latch-up or other event on the charger ic that made it hang/turn off until complete power cycle (removing batteries)16:27
minutech: pipeline passed, thanks!16:28
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chlets see if the main build also works16:30
chsomehow this is more brittle than it should be16:30
chit did16:31
chnice16:31
minuteok, anker a2342 charger just came in the door as well16:31
minutepower supply i mean m)16:31
chthe naming there is really confusing16:32
chobviously i say 'charger' in all day life16:32
chbut are we then talking about the wall thing or the charger ic or the charger pcb16:32
minuteworks fine16:32
minutewhere does charger begin, where does it end16:33
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minutech: for the future we could do a manual usb device/charge toggle via the oled menu perhaps (or linux tool)16:34
minutei guess oled better because then you can toggle back if computer is off16:35
chah that would be a super interesting idea16:35
minutei.e. the uart api gets a command for that, but i don't know what you have to toggle in the pd code16:35
chuh16:36
chupdating the kbd fw is weird16:37
minutedepends16:37
chit gave the reset hw watchdog on the oled16:37
minuteah yes that is "normal"16:37
minutebecause all resets go via the watchdog16:37
chand Power on from the oled menu did reset the soc16:37
minuteapparently16:37
minuteoh16:37
minutethat's weird @ power on16:37
minutebtw one doesn't need to do that, opening battery status also updates the on status. buttt it's weird that it power cycles16:38
chah :)16:38
chpretty sure it didnt power cycle in the past?16:38
minuteyes it shouldn't have16:38
minutech: maybe it sometimes gets just "p\r" and interprets that as "0p\r"16:41
chugh16:41
chprotocols without framing16:41
minuteprobably uart_state.cmd_number = 0; should really be -1 16:42
minuteor something that is invalid by default16:42
chthe new apple charger i got is fun. it actually cares about the mA one sends!16:42
minuteoh nice :D16:42
ch(ends in a loop where the charger rejects all requests, oh well)16:43
minuteew16:43
chi feared we'll have to implement this properly one day16:44
chthe psu sends capabilities: 5V/1500mA, 9V/830mA, 15V/500mA, 20V/370mA16:45
chmy mac selects 15V/500mA16:45
chso i -think- the charger ic has some way of setting a current limit... need to pick a good capability and set the limit16:46
chwtf16:47
chah meh16:48
chthen there's some more handshaking and eventually it handshakes 20V/1700mA16:49
chyeah that goes SOURCE_CAPABILITIES_EXTENDED16:49
chbut i think for that we have to accept messages from the psu when it notices it cant provide the current anymore16:50
chnot today(tm)16:51
chminute: should the sysctl fw also turn on the watchdog?16:54
minutech: i think so, but then you also have to regularly feed it :316:55
chheh16:55
minuteinteresting, rp2040 is now hung again after reflashing via prog switch and resetting, like i2c is blocked again16:56
amospallanewer sysctl firmwares (newer than the August one) is not expected to use less battery, but keyboard firmware does, right?16:56
minutei'll try to power cycle my charger pcb again16:56
minutethat worked!17:00
minuteso disconnecting and reconnecting batteries from charger pcb unsticks it if it is in some bad state17:00
chaha, the default input current limit is 1.5A17:00
chthat explains a few things17:00
choh and we set it to 2A17:01
chahem17:01
minuteoh17:02
minutehttps://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/2717:02
chdo you know what the batteries take at most as the charging current?17:02
minuteafaik for lipo it should be "1C" so 4A? let me double check17:03
minute> A 1C charge rate means that the current will charge the entire battery in 1 hour17:03
minutebatteries are https://www.eremit.de/p/eremit-3-7v-4-000mah-high-cap17:04
chdiff lgtm17:05
minutethx17:05
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minuteon/off still works ;)17:07
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minuteok my pocket reform is healed again, i'll merge and roll this out to the first shipping (by mnt) pocket reforms here (they are for some universities)17:10
minutethen we'll need to get everyone aboard the fwupd train...17:10
minuteand then bring back usb-c dfp functionality via a oled menu toggle17:11
chhttps://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/28/diffs just testing this17:11
minutech: oh nice17:11
chcharge=2000mA yeah, i think its a good idea to not lie to the psu :D17:13
chmaybe that avoids bugs17:13
chwell, fried psus17:13
chif it charges on fewer psus now, then so be it, but at least no magic smoke?17:14
ch# [keyboard] [ERROR] syntax error17:14
minutech: ok, i can merge and test that too with some psus here17:14
minutech: syntax error for which command?17:14
chhttps://paste.debian.net/hidden/b6f17c37/17:15
chbattery status 17:15
minutehmm c 017:15
minutelemme double check17:16
minutehaha now i get > # [keyboard] exec: c 6553517:17
chhah yes17:17
minuteso my code might not be entirely right17:17
chhttps://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/28 works for me; i think it'd be a good idea to have it in what you'll ship17:19
chjust quickly heading to the shop17:19
minutech: ok, will do17:19
minuteah, number argument to c is ignored, so that's fine17:20
minutec command doesn't take a number17:20
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chstill resets though17:21
chnot always17:21
minutech: do you see anything for that case in serial?17:21
chno, i guess power is cut before it can show up in my minicom/ssh17:22
minuteahhh you're looking at it from the soc17:22
minutei have it connected to a pc17:22
ch:)17:22
chalso i think the reset that happens is wonky17:22
minutehuh17:23
chwhat i typed didnt arrive at the soc, etc17:23
chbut oled menu worked17:23
minuteok i need to reproduce that17:23
chmaybe i just have the weird hardware :)17:23
minutehow do you trigger it? just power on via oled?17:23
chok, really shop now17:23
chyeah17:23
minuteok17:23
chthis time the first time it did nothing, second power on did the wonky reset17:24
minuteyou have current kbd fw?17:24
minute(i can't reproduce it)17:24
chyes17:27
chjust built from main17:27
choh i just remebered: the cabs need to go into the ci artifacts17:27
minutelittle bug: sysctl thinks charger is connected (but it's not)17:28
chthe charger ic?17:28
minute(after picotool reboot)17:28
minutesorry it says ON AC17:28
chah hm17:28
minutebefore the reboot it was ON BAT17:28
chcan you paste me before/after output?17:29
minute# [pd] PD_STATE_SETUP done, going to PD_STATE_UNATTACHED17:29
minute# [keyboard] exec: c 6553517:29
minute# [keyboard] exec: c 6553517:29
minute# ON AC  chg=0 mps_flt=00 input=5000mV@50mA charge=0mA discharge=1250mA p=8.88W ttempty=1629min17:29
minutehmmm17:29
minuteit still thinks ON AC17:29
minuteafter plugging + unplugging power supply17:29
cheh. thats probably the internal 5V17:30
minutesnippet https://gist.github.com/mntmn/fc732d9a9d1b0cf822f7ebd9e752720e17:30
minutebut the (linux) UI doesn't show that charger is connected at least17:31
minuteand linux ui correctly shows wall adapter icon when that's plugged in (after a minute)17:33
minuteso no dealbreaker17:33
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chok17:37
chneeds better statemgmt of the 5v then17:37
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amospallaminute: I checked the battery depletion time with the sysctl firmware that reported lower amps. That firmware reported almost half the amps but the time it took to empty the battery was approximately the same.19:21
minuteamospalla: hmm ok19:30
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joscherrr.... i just ran into a problem with my a311d classic reform that i never have seen before21:54
minutejosch: what happened?21:55
joschi watched some video with mpv when suddenly the video paused and it took a few seconds for it to continue21:55
joschwhen investigating this i found that systemd-journald was consuming 100% cpu21:55
joschand then, after half a minute not anymore but now /usr/libexec/rtkit-daemon did21:55
joschsudo would not do anything anymore so i cannot kill processes nor look at dmesg21:55
joschswitching to another tty then gave me this once per second: https://mister-muffin.de/p/Q9lm.jpg21:56
minutejosch: bpi wifi?21:57
minutejosch: looks like a wifi driver bug21:58
joschi was connected to my access point via bpi wifi, yes21:58
joschodd...21:58
joschlets hope it doesn't happen again21:58
joschminute: also funny with the "kernel regression", right? This explains why this innocent commit broke things -- it just changed the /sys path...21:59
josch(for the imx8mq suspend/resume thing i mean)21:59
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minutejosch: yes!22:11
joschthis should make reform-standby work for both paths: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/108/diffs?commit_id=8124ebbcf4f4afd1d6e6f37ed94d66bc17deda8522:12
joschwell... i write should but i actually tried it and it works for both :)22:13
joschso no kernel change is necessary22:13
- gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-78-82-52-175.bbcust.telenor.se)22:15
minutejosch: very nice22:19
joschor... lets do what cambrian_invader suggested and use udevadm info instead :)22:21
+ midfavila (midfavila@freeshell.org)22:28
minutenice22:30
joschminute: was a great tip to join that channel, thank you :)22:31
joschthis is now actually future-proof https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/108/diffs?commit_id=1586267346b751d37e9fa5470df1aac9f2cbec7122:37
joschoh we should do the same fix in sbin/reform-hw-setup22:42
- jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~quassel@47-186-65-73.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net)22:42
joschoh no!22:43
joschhttps://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/blob/main/sbin/reform-hw-setup?ref_type=heads#L13622:43
joschwe already knew about this change of ttymxc path in kernel 6.822:43
joschbut i only fixed it in reform-hw-setup and missed that reform-standby *also* used that /sys path22:44
joschm(22:44
BoostisBetterI really am impressed with how far ARM SoCs have come in the last 5 years. 22:48
BoostisBetterThe pocket even with the imx8m+ could totally be someones only computer. 22:48
+ jacobk (~quassel@2603:8080:b200:7b02:77cb:6304:f9db:dda1)22:58
- jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~quassel@2603:8080:b200:7b02:77cb:6304:f9db:dda1)23:07
joschminute: devices can be flagged with wakeup-source in the device tree?23:08
minutejosch: sounds like! so we could do that23:09
- bkeys (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone)23:11
+ bkeys (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone)23:12
C-Keenhi! Seems like I lost my wifi device after upgrading and rebooting...23:21
joschC-Keen: classic reform with imx8mq?23:22
minuteinteresting https://github.com/YaLTeR/niri/wiki/Xwayland#using-xwayland-satellite23:22
C-Keenjosch: yes23:22
C-Keenhas there been a change?23:22
joschC-Keen: did you already try rebooting a second time? does it remain gone?23:23
C-Keenjosch: I may try23:24
C-Keenjosch: hm, it is back. weird. that hasn't happened before23:26
- bkeys (QUIT: Quit: With every step we take, danger will follow closely) (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone)23:27
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C-Keenjosch: and I see the driver output in the kernel log as it should... 23:27
joschminute: I tried this but /sys/devices/platform/soc@0/30800000.bus/308?0000.serial/308?0000.serial:0/308?0000.serial:0.0/tty/ttymxc?/power/wakeup is still "disabled"23:32
joschC-Keen: i'm seeing the same here23:33
joschC-Keen: sometimes, on imx8mq, the wifi card does not show up -- a reboot fixes it23:33
C-Keenjosch: interesting, that has never happened to me before but maybe I got lucky23:34
C-Keen(not anymore it seems)23:34
joschminute: ah sorry, forgot to paste the link to the patch: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a976e22e/23:36
minutejosch: hmmmm23:38
- bkeys (QUIT: Quit: With every step we take, danger will follow closely) (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone)23:42
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+ chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a09:1500:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)23:54
- aloo_shu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~aloo_shu@85.51.18.214)23:55
C-Keenidk if anyone in here is using freetube. it helps adding --ozone-platform=wayland to its command line to get rid of graphical rendering issues in newer versions (it is an electron application, so I guess their chrome underneath needs to get told to use wayland)23:56
- bkeys (QUIT: Quit: With every step we take, danger will follow closely) (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone)23:58
+ aloo_shu (~aloo_shu@90.166.193.201)23:58
+ bkeys (~Thunderbi@38-146-94-247.echocast.zone)23:58

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