2025-01-06.log

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minuteso far no more pocket kbd issues since 6h of uptime. lets see tomorrow01:25
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noamI think I may have managed to fry all eight cells even with a protected board >_<05:24
noammaybe even worse. There's a faint smell coming from the reform. Oop.05:24
noamor... the cells might be fine and smoething else is wrong. uhhh. that's probably worse.05:29
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noam...interestingly, though, the cells were _drastically_ imbalanced.05:39
noamI see one at ~3.2V and most at ~2.8V i think05:39
noamYeaaaaah, cells are fine, board is fried. Fuck.05:50
noambased on smell proximity, fairly sure some of the power hardware is fried :/06:00
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noamand the fuses are fine :/06:20
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noamminute: is there a way to get a Pocket Reform without any CPU attached, for usage with an existing module?06:36
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BoostisBetterminute: did psuspend at 23:15 and then went t bed. At 6:50 this morning I checked on the pocket and the keyboard and oled were unresponsive. FYI, the only thing that psuspend is doing with the keyboard is with the rmt tools scripts that flash the LEDs in the KB. 08:43
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minutenoam: what led up to that situation?09:53
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BoostisBetterminute: it really does seem to be triggered by the use of rmt tools10:17
minuteBoostisBetter: yeah, could you try commenting those out in the psuspend script?10:18
BoostisBetterminute: I resumed from psuspend and the keyboard was working. I used a sway key combo that I defined which turns off the back light to turn it off. After doing this teh keyboard was no longer sending things to the SOC but the OLED still functioned10:19
minuteafter a night of idling (cpu power off), keyboard is still fine here.10:19
BoostisBetteryou mean stop psuspend from using the kb LEDs?10:20
minuteBoostisBetter: yeah10:20
BoostisBetterminute: will do. I'll report back as soon as there is something to share10:21
BoostisBetterminute: I disabled the led function and psuspended, then resumed again 4 minutes10:30
BoostisBetterthe keyboard would wokr and then stop the oled functioned still twice, but two times the oled didn't work either. I had to keep reseting the controller manually.10:31
BoostisBetterit could be that I need to restart the system to make sure there wasn't any instance of rmt tools still running or working on previous commands. 10:33
BoostisBetterbut it seems odd. Really glad I made the kb cover modification to allow me to reset the controller manually using a SIM ejection tool 10:33
- ajr (QUIT: Ping timeout: 244 seconds) (~ajr@user/ajr)10:35
amospallaremember psuspend is modular, you can disable everything it does and enable things one by one until you find if something has relation to your problem.10:36
amospallathis would speed to debug if there is any relation and where it is10:37
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joschThis MR restores suspend/resume on imx8mq: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/7711:06
joschIf you want to help, please try out the kernel either by downloading the artifacts manually or by adding this to your /etc/apt/sources.list:11:07
joschdeb [trusted=yes arch=arm64] https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/7293/artifacts/raw/repo reform main11:07
joschalternatively, here are system images with the kernel from that MR: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/7294/artifacts/browse11:07
joschThanks in advance!11:07
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BoostisBetterjosch: you are my hero! I don't have a imx8 anymore but this is awesome news for folks who do in the Reform.12:24
BoostisBetterjosch: are you thinking about throwing your old imx8 back in your Reform just to try it?12:25
joschBoostisBetter: i cannot -- minute has my imx8mq :)12:25
BoostisBetterjosch: thumbs up12:27
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BoostisBetteramospalla: gotcha, but the ONLY issue I am having is with the keyboard. The system itself is stable and running. When I have problems it is just with the keyboard.12:32
amospallaright, because you suspect it has to do with psuspend, I'm giving you hints to debug if there is any relation between the script and the disconnections that appear on your computer12:35
BoostisBetteramospalla, muchas gracias! I really am grateful for the psuspend script. I am using it all the time12:36
amospallaI'm glad to know :)12:37
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ryukazouany update for 2nd batch of rk3588?13:31
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* Guest1720 -> mjw14:10
BoostisBetterminute: no more crashes since last reporting. I wonder if there was a just buffer that needed to get flushed from the OS and now that it has the firmware is not be bombarded. 14:10
BoostisBetterminute: so fingers crossed or thumbs pressed that we don't see any additional issues. 14:11
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+ mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)15:11
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BoostisBetterch: are you using your branch for your pocket's sysctrl?15:36
BoostisBetterHave you noticed generous battery estimates?15:36
chi'm using my branch yes15:38
chi've seen the charger ic report a bit wavey estimates, but i think thats just how the kernel scheduler draws power or not15:39
BoostisBetterch: ok. So far your branch has been working really well for me. I haven't seen any crashes or anything like that15:46
chdoes it give you better runtime? that would be weird but maybe not super weird15:47
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BoostisBetterch: not really sure. I think it does allow the system to use slightly less power at idle. 15:53
BoostisBetterch: main thing is a greatly improved compatibility with PD chargers. 16:01
BoostisBetterI haven't found one in the house that doesn't work! 16:02
chthat's good to hear!16:02
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minutealso, my pocket keyboard branch ran stable here since yesterday 17:12
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BoostisBetterminute: For me it hasn't been. I think it must have to do with rmt tools18:21
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BoostisBetterThe system hasn't rebooted since installing it, so if you would like any logs, I can happily get them to you18:31
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joschminute: do you see any problem with the MR I linked to earlier today? Does the commit I reverted look harmful to you in any way? Remember that I do not understand what I'm doing here. I just apply/unapply patches and compile code... :/18:54
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minutejosch: it doesn't, but we should ask in #linux-imx how this can be19:03
minutemaybe cc marex19:03
joschminute: thank you, i'll head there and ask19:04
BoostisBetterclear19:09
BoostisBettersorry wrong chat. 19:09
BoostisBetterminute: did you want any logs? 19:10
minuteBoostisBetter: no thx, i will still have to look into psuspend/rmt to see what it does etc19:11
minutemeanwhile i'm trying to fix trackball speed in the new fw19:12
BoostisBetterminute: thank you. You're doing awesome work and it is greatly appreciated.19:15
BoostisBetterminute: in the future when the kb issues have been resolved would it be possible for me to order a new black keyboard cover for the pocket?19:22
minuteBoostisBetter: yes, we have an open task to put all kinds of replacement parts in the shop19:24
BoostisBetterminute: ok, I drilled a hole in mine to make it easier to hit the kb reset with a sim ejection tool. 19:28
minuteBoostisBetter: i know!19:28
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BoostisBetterminute: sorry, I forgot I already mentioned it. 19:37
BoostisBetterminute: Is it possible to extend the crowd supply campagins after they first start running? 19:37
minuteBoostisBetter: it's not possible19:38
minutei implemented a bit of trackball acceleration on pocket https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/commit/8ead6b9efbff4abb65e0567b8192decb0825dbf619:39
BoostisBetterminute: ok, I was just asking because I know that the end of Feb in the US is a huge spending period as people get their tax returns. 19:44
BoostisBetterminute: I will install the trackball improvements now. Thanks! 19:44
minuteBoostisBetter: can you tell me if you like this type of trackball acceleration or it should rather be linear?19:45
minutecurrently the function is x^1.5 (i.e. the 1.5th power of the delta)19:45
BoostisBetterminute: yes, for sure will let you know19:46
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BoostisBetterminute: so I installed hte kb firmware, and did the whole hyper enter, 1 thing to get rid fo the prompt, but actually restarted the whole thing. That was weird. 19:51
minutehmmm to get rid of the prompt you can also do hyper + b for battery status19:51
minuteit will then learn that the device is on19:51
BoostisBetterminute: ok thanks for the tip19:52
BoostisBetterminute: rebooting now. Initially I like this kind of acceleration. Linear would be a constant like thing, and I think exponential is better, based on conditional input. 19:52
minuteanyone ever heard about this company? there's no info about the people behind it if i'm not mistaken? https://mecha.so/19:57
jfredit looks intriguing but I haven't heard of them19:59
BoostisBetterI haven't heard of them either, but the mecha comet is very appealing. 19:59
jfredof course the devil is in the details with these ARM Linux devices :)19:59
jfredas far as long-term support goes, etc20:00
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ryukazouminute: Will the second batch of rk3588 cpu module shipped out in recent weeks, hope could get mine before lunar new year and I can work on install gentoo on pocket reform.20:08
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minuteryukazou: yeah we have a meeting about this batch later today20:08
minuteryukazou: can you DM me your order number?20:09
ryukazouminute: no problem20:09
BoostisBetterminute: could I dm you my order number as well? 20:10
BoostisBetterand do you mean via the forum? 20:11
minuteBoostisBetter: or just the date would be enough20:12
BoostisBetter2 Dec 24 (I also ordered the ethernet dongle on 13 Dec, but that is only if you want to put those two package together in one, which is good with me. 20:13
fricklerminute: https://github.com/orgs/mecha-org/people is that what you're looking for?20:19
minutefrickler: thx20:19
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minutech: i've now made a slightly polished tagged version of both pocket keyboard fw + sysctl fw and we're planning to ship those in the first mntre-shop ordered pocket reforms we're shipping (~tomorrow). so they'll have fwupd compat from the beginning also21:08
minuteah lol. it's not a date as expected https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/jobs/7298#L100421:09
minutei thought this would use the latest git tag :321:10
minutei guess i just don't understand git tag21:11
minute> fatal: No annotated tags can describe 'f9c0be3904a22308d53c33038c60ac3e8a9a01b1'.21:11
minute> However, there were unannotated tags: try --tags.21:11
minuteok, i'll try an annotated one21:12
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minutecool, that worked21:17
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minuteok what, this new sysctl fw doesn't come up after power cycling21:30
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minutelol what's going on with my computer > [20482.363493] udisksd[85028]: segfault at 1 ip 00007f5be78fb795 sp 00007ffea3126f40 error 4 in libgio-2.0.so.0.8200.4[12f795,7f5be7809000+11d000] likely on CPU 11 (core 3, socket 0)21:45
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minutenow for some heavy debugging... current main branch sysctl fw hangs somewhere in charger_configure21:58
minutemaybe i finally killed my mps chip?22:00
jfrednoam: minute: that fried board from earlier sounds a lot like what I encountered back in 2022: https://community.mnt.re/t/just-came-back-to-a-seemingly-dead-board/116222:12
jfrednoam: was it plugged in at the time by any chance?22:12
jfredmy recollection is that when I sent it into a repair shop one of the components around the power circuitry was replaced (forget which, I'd need to dig through IRC logs but I think one of the transistors) and then additionally I needed to replace one of the resistors near the rightmost battery pack22:15
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minutejfred: i'm working on my pocket reform, not reform22:15
minutei plugged in a big anker charger earlier and then problems started22:15
minutenow something is blocking the i2c bus of the rp2040. i've replaced all the mps + max i2c functions with ones that timeout, and it proceeds until it wants to talk to fusb22:16
jfredminute: yeah, was referring to noam's failed reform from earlier (which I think was a big reform, they mentioned 8 cells so I'm assuming reform 2.0)22:16
minuteah22:17
minutesorry22:17
jfrednp22:17
minuteaha > # [battery] [ERROR] gauge did not respond22:17
chminute: ugh, that doesnt sound good22:21
chminute: and yeah needs to be an annotated tag22:21
minutei really wonder how i managed to bork the hardware... but will need to dig more tomorrow, now feierabend22:29
BoostisBetterminute: endlich!22:34
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joschminute: I have [tag] gpgsign = true in my ~/.gitconfig which will not only create an annotated tag but also sign it with your gpg key for some more trust that this really is from you22:51
minutejosch: aha!23:07
joschi also looked a bit into the imx8mq hdmi situation23:16
joschi think the dts has to be adjusted -- the "compatible" fields contain strings that are no longer part of the patch23:17
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BoostisBetterjosch: excellent work! 23:21
joschBoostisBetter: not yet :)23:27
* lexik_ -> lexik23:34
minutejosch: makes a lot of sense @ hdmi23:52
minutejosch: can probably be copied from other imx8mq dtses like evk?23:53

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