| josch | Happy 2025 everybody :) | 00:04 |
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| minute | happy 2025! | 00:05 |
| BoostisBetter | indeed! Let's go 2025! | 00:09 |
| BoostisBetter | in other news, the rolled back downgraded Sysctrl firmware, doesn't seem to have had a positive effect. I think this is a psuspend thing it would seem. | 00:20 |
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| mhoye | No spoilers, europeans! | 02:13 |
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| murphnj | Happy new years! (a litle early) | 05:36 |
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| ryukazou | Happy new year | 13:17 |
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| minute | any steam on reform experts here? :D https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/113753981701698790 | 17:14 |
| BoostisBetter | sorry not me, but hope someone pipes up! | 17:15 |
| ch | ugh :/ | 17:16 |
| freepalestine | hello, is anyone attending https://2025.oshwa.org/ in Edinburgh? | 17:18 |
| minute | freepalestine: some people from MNT might go | 17:19 |
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| josch | grimmware: nice forum post on the daily driver thread! I agree that it's probably mostly about expectations. I come from the corner of mobile linux arm devices with *much* *much* *much* less working and much less support than the Reform offers which makes me excited for the Reform and ignore its quirks (or put the time in to fix them). | 17:48 |
| josch | grimmware: you say that Debian unstable is one of your major gripes -- others are running Debian stable with backports kernel successfully on their rk3588 Pocket Reform -- want to give it a try and report bugs you find to me? :) | 17:48 |
| minute | nice, i can run wasteland 2 directly from the shell (after it was downloaded by steam) | 17:49 |
| josch | (for example, we already figured out that for rk3588 panthor needs mesa from backports) | 17:50 |
| josch | minute: your steam is not stuck anymore? | 17:50 |
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| minute | josch: it is, but on the first launch i was able to download the game last night | 18:18 |
| minute | josch: and now i am just running the game without steam | 18:18 |
| josch | ah okay :) | 18:18 |
| ch | thanks to minute i bought return to monkey island today | 18:19 |
| ch | productivity will tank ;) | 18:19 |
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| + sterni (~quassel@user/sterni) | 19:32 | |
| BoostisBetter | so the keyboard keeps disconnecting on my pocket. Sometimes I am able to reset it via the LPC, but sometimes I am able to do nothing. Only a power cycle works. | 20:05 |
| BoostisBetter | What can I do about this, and is anyone else noticing the keyboard becoming disconnected? | 20:05 |
| BoostisBetter | does anything report why the LPC keeps showing me a T in the upper left corner of the display? | 20:17 |
| BoostisBetter | I know that this means that it missed something from the syscrtrl | 20:17 |
| BoostisBetter | but since I keep having keyboard disconnects, I'm wondering if the UART connection between the two could be to blame? | 20:17 |
| ch | T means timeout between keyboard and sysctl | 20:18 |
| BoostisBetter | yeah, this keeps happening | 20:18 |
| BoostisBetter | and since the keyboard is then being disconnected from the Debian kernel | 20:18 |
| BoostisBetter | not necessarily right when the T shows, but it seems that when the T starts showing then the keyboard disconnect will happen. | 20:19 |
| BoostisBetter | I find that reseting the LPC helps | 20:19 |
| BoostisBetter | but there is a serious stability issue here. | 20:19 |
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| ch | maybe the problems you have are actually on the keyboard side | 20:32 |
| + aloo_shu (~aloo_shu@90.166.193.242) | 20:33 | |
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| BoostisBetter | I think so as well | 21:21 |
| BoostisBetter | I am not sure how to update the keyboard firmware | 21:21 |
| BoostisBetter | but I know that on older sysctrl firmware I don | 21:21 |
| BoostisBetter | 't seem to have the issue nearly as much | 21:22 |
| BoostisBetter | If I could remember what firmware my pocket came with, that would be good. Because it was absolutely the most stable so far. | 21:22 |
| BoostisBetter | but I do appreciate all of the charging improvements and lower idle power | 21:22 |
| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 21:32 | |
| minute | hmmm, my pocket input stopped responding a while ago (no trackball or keyboard input). but! the backlight still times out and wakes up when pressing a key | 21:34 |
| minute | so the main loop is still running | 21:34 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 21:34 | |
| minute | BoostisBetter: maybe we have a similar issue | 21:35 |
| minute | also, Bus 008 Device 004: ID cafe:4004 MNT Pocket Reform Input is still there | 21:35 |
| minute | hidraw0 is gone though | 21:43 |
| minute | i guess something tinyusb related crashes | 21:43 |
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| + yqshao (~yqshao@user/yqshao) | 21:50 | |
| BoostisBetter | minute: good find. So this would mean firmware related? As a dif this didn't use to happen. | 22:13 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: it is possible yeah | 22:14 |
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| BoostisBetter | minute: Awesome. I am real happy that we have found something, as it means we have a direction to go. | 22:16 |
| minute | ah, i'm silly, the oled menu also still works. does that still work for you in this state BoostisBetter ? | 22:18 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: occasionaly, the keyboard will disconnect | 22:19 |
| BoostisBetter | and the oled screen will still work. Here I reset the keyboard, and things work, but can also get a little funky. Like the keyboard entering multiple hits, and delayed input | 22:20 |
| BoostisBetter | However, other times, the keyboard disconnects, and the LPC is functional. I can't even access it. | 22:20 |
| BoostisBetter | The only thing i can do is power cycle the whole pocket. | 22:20 |
| BoostisBetter | This seems to be exacerbated by using psuspend. | 22:20 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: oh right now, that has happened in fact. | 22:21 |
| BoostisBetter | the keyboard is not responsive. No Oled | 22:23 |
| BoostisBetter | Have to power cycle to get it back up. | 22:23 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: ah, i can explain why the keyboard will get funky | 22:24 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: because it thinks the system is off after reset. you can get it un-funked if you "power on" again via oled | 22:24 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: that wont power cycle the CPU though? | 22:24 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: it won't. | 22:24 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: then this might be why it is disconnecting. | 22:24 |
| BoostisBetter | Because I am never getting it out of this funky state | 22:25 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: I suspect there is something else though. Perhaps it is the idle power modification to the system controller. | 22:25 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: try power on in the oled menu after reset | 22:25 |
| minute | (this is only a workaround of course, we need to fix that bug as well) | 22:25 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: after keyboard reset i mean | 22:25 |
| BoostisBetter | I will, hopefully this will lessen or stop the full on, no oled disconnect. | 22:26 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: I saw what I am saying about the sysctrl, because ALWAYS before the keyboard disconnects it precluded with the OLED showing the T in the upper left corner. | 22:28 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: I say what I am saying about the sysctrl, because ALWAYS before the keyboard disconnects it precluded with the OLED showing the T in the upper left corner. | 22:29 |
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| + yqshao (~yqshao@user/yqshao) | 22:33 | |
| minute | BoostisBetter: interesting | 22:38 |
| - yqshao (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~yqshao@user/yqshao) | 22:39 | |
| minute | i've found an easy way to disconnect+reconnect usb from inside the keyboard firmware on demand. now we just need to detect that the usb is not working anymore | 22:40 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: this is awesome news! I knew there would be a solution! | 22:40 |
| + yqshao (~yqshao@user/yqshao) | 22:41 | |
| BoostisBetter | minute: the oled is one of the coolest features of the MNT line | 22:42 |
| minute | interesting, i managed to crash the keyboard | 22:51 |
| minute | i think the main issue is that the hid_task is running cooperatively with the oled and uart stuff, and if something takes too long, it can disrupt usb | 22:53 |
| minute | ideally the usb should preempt the other stuff | 22:53 |
| BoostisBetter | Right, or at least fix itself when a problem is noticed | 22:54 |
| BoostisBetter | I do wonder why the desyncs are so much more popular now. I had none of these issues before upgrading the sysctrl firmware. | 22:54 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: did you also upgrade the keyboard firmware or is it an older version? | 22:57 |
| BoostisBetter | keyboard is an older version. Not sure how to update the keyboard. | 22:58 |
| minute | ok | 22:59 |
| minute | redrawing (flushing) of the oled screen causes a short fill up of the usb pipeline | 23:03 |
| minute | i have a WIP firmware running here now that decouples USB reporting from the rest of the code with a timer interrupt | 23:34 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: you are awesome! | 23:49 |
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