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| ryukazou | grimmware: I’m more curious about how long it will take to compile reform-kernel on rk3588. | 00:08 |
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| Twodisbetter | has anyone been successful in getting wayfire to idle with swaylock, as well as when resuming from suspend that it is locked? Despite my efforts I can't seem to get it working. | 08:05 |
| - gsora (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~gsora@user/gsora) | 09:12 | |
| Twodisbetter | it woudl great if these established creature comforts could be built into the stock imagine for the Reform and Pocket. | 09:16 |
| Twodisbetter | *would be | 09:29 |
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| grimmware | it is all I can do to not sit around in this channel periodically going "THIS COMPUTER IS SO NICE" | 10:17 |
| minute | grimmware: haha i like to hear it | 10:45 |
| ryukazou | Pocket Reform is so nice!!! | 10:46 |
| ryukazou | Absolutely love it | 10:46 |
| josch | Twodisbetter: unfortunately i fear that not many users have the relatively stable suspend/resume experience that you have :/ | 10:49 |
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| hramrach | josch: I wonder about that. Are there reports of dpms causing lockups from anyone other than you? | 13:08 |
| hramrach | Twodisbetter: See https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/issues/29 for sway setup. Not sure if swayidle is using some standard interface that wayfire also provides or if this is the tyopical Wayland case of each compositor having its own square wheel because there is no standard for wheels | 13:10 |
| josch | hramrach: in the past, yes -- then we switched the default to using brightnessctl instead of dpms | 13:10 |
| hramrach | Actually if it is a standard interface it might be worthwhile to use something other than swayidle in sway, the UX is atrocious | 13:11 |
| josch | hramrach: but as i said in the gitlab issue, these are not lockups anymore | 13:11 |
| josch | so maybe the original thing is gone | 13:11 |
| josch | or not applicable on a311d | 13:11 |
| hramrach | josch: you said you saw one, in the very issue | 13:11 |
| josch | didn't i later correct that? | 13:12 |
| josch | sec... | 13:12 |
| josch | hramrach: ah you mean the thing from months ago? | 13:13 |
| josch | hramrach: have you tried this configuration on the pocket? what is your test result? | 13:14 |
| hramrach | My test result is that dpms works flawlessly with the internal display and imx8mp, as said in the issue | 13:14 |
| hramrach | I sway, did not set it up for linux console | 13:15 |
| - andypiper (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~andypiper@89.36.117.58) | 13:15 | |
| josch | hramrach: you said that a month ago, so i guess there have been no problems for you since then? | 13:15 |
| hramrach | no, no problems that I could attribute to DPMS. I had the keyboard lock up once, and the system shut down a few times, and some swaylock miscnfiguration that caused the sway session becoming defunct. | 13:16 |
| josch | maybe somebody else here with a classic reform could try out this swayidle config | 13:17 |
| * Scario -> Sario | 13:17 | |
| josch | maybe it's only me | 13:17 |
| josch | or maybe it's only on debian bookworm | 13:17 |
| hramrach | swayidle -w timeout 600 swaylock -f -c 000000 timeout 600 swaymsg "output * dpms off" resume swaymsg "output * dpms on" before-sleep swaylock -f -c 000000 | 13:18 |
| hramrach | I guess it lost a level of quating somewhere but you get the idea | 13:19 |
| hramrach | swayidle -w timeout 600 'swaylock -f -c 000000' timeout 600 'swaymsg "output * dpms off"' resume 'swaymsg "output * dpms on"' before-sleep 'swaylock -f -c 000000' | 13:19 |
| josch | or copy it from the issue: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/issues/29#note_10466 | 13:19 |
| hramrach | I wanted to paste what I am actually running, in case it's not exactly the same | 13:21 |
| josch | let me also write a mail to a debian colleague who has an imx8mq classic reform -- maybe they'd like to test this... | 13:22 |
| Twodisbetter | that is how you implement that in Sway, but not how you would implement in Wayfire | 13:42 |
| Twodisbetter | That is what I am after, how to get that functioning in Wayfire. For now I have screen time out and dpms working, but it doesn't activate swaylock when doing so. | 13:42 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-94-67-132-66.home.otenet.gr) | 13:59 | |
| hramrach | I don't understand what the wayfire idle plugin does. It advises to use swayidle fpr something but what does the idle plugin itself do??? | 14:05 |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@89.36.117.58) | 14:06 | |
| hramrach | it appears that like Xorg wayfire has an internal feature for managing dpms which is set up with idle.dpms_timeout, and as such does not need swayidle | 14:08 |
| Twodisbetter | Under [idle] in my wayfire.ini file I have the following: | 14:24 |
| Twodisbetter | [idle] | 14:24 |
| Twodisbetter | screensaver_timeout = 100 | 14:24 |
| Twodisbetter | dpms_timeout = 120 | 14:24 |
| Twodisbetter | this makes the screen time out after 1 and a halfish, then 20 seconds after that the display is turned off. This has worked well enough so far. | 14:24 |
| Twodisbetter | I am curious how I can add the swaylock commands in there such that it will work. | 14:25 |
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| + CandidCadaver (~aloo_shu@90.166.98.89) | 14:33 | |
| Twodisbetter | I got it working with suspend. You just do the systemctl suspend ; swaylock and it will worok | 14:48 |
| hramrach | It looks like wayfire does not support that, you need to disable the wayfire idle settings, and start wayidle | 14:50 |
| hramrach | The Wayland way of every compisitor making its own square wheel because no standard for wheels ... | 14:51 |
| hramrach | Or you could use wayfire to manage dpms, and swayidle to manage locking, possibly getting them out of synch because the semantic disffers subtly in some edge cases | 14:52 |
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| minute | phew, 5x test pcbs of reform motherboard 3.0 ordered | 15:53 |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:59 | |
| josch | \o/ | 16:24 |
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| + andypiper (~andypiper@89.36.117.58) | 17:14 | |
| andypiper | ooh interesting. https://www.hackster.io/news/chris-haynes-micro-planck-is-a-3d-printable-low-profile-keyboard-designed-with-portability-in-mind-15884b713bf4 | 17:15 |
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| + staticbunny (~textual@76-223-253-78.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) | 17:20 | |
| staticbunny | i totally borked my 3588 lol | 17:36 |
| minute | staticbunny: how? | 17:36 |
| staticbunny | installed some packages that killed the window managers | 17:37 |
| minute | ok, so it's not the rk3588 that is killed | 17:44 |
| staticbunny | nah just me being stupid | 17:45 |
| staticbunny | killed my install rather, not the SoM | 17:45 |
| staticbunny | my LCD isnt looking great though | 17:45 |
| staticbunny | would someone need to create a connector board for an OLED upgrade? | 17:46 |
| minute | not sure what you mean exactly | 17:47 |
| staticbunny | if you wanted to switch to a OLED? its not just a driver change right? | 17:48 |
| staticbunny | you would need to have addtional hardware | 17:48 |
| staticbunny | my LCD is already getting light spots | 17:49 |
| hramrach | it depends on the OLED. Also which mainboard | 17:49 |
| staticbunny | reform pocket | 17:49 |
| hramrach | Somebody suggested light spots can be cleared by displaying slideshow of the basic colors, YMMV | 17:49 |
| staticbunny | oh interesting ok | 17:50 |
| hramrach | Pocket is mipi, that's extra challenging to interface. | 17:50 |
| hramrach | but also even just finding the screen of right size is not so easy, disregarding the interface | 17:51 |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 17:52 | |
| hramrach | this is some tablet, screen they are not standardized in any way, the sizes are quite random | 17:53 |
| hramrach | most likley you would have to find a screen that is close, and get a different display frame, and whatever internal mounting | 17:53 |
| - andypiper (QUIT: Quit: My device has gone to sleep. Zzzz…) (~andypiper@89.36.117.58) | 18:11 | |
| hramrach | Looking at aliexpress there is one listing of 7" OLED screen https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006902819623.html. That means that either it's a very special item, or the listing is bogus. There might be other 'hidden' listing that do not put the keywords in the product name. The size is not the same, it may not be possible to fit at all. The interface is vaguely correct but may still need an | 18:24 |
| hramrach | adapter. It willl need device tree change, and possible a panel-specific kernel driver. Backlight power may be different At least the display that is listed seems to actually exist https://www.panoxdisplay.com/amoled/7incholed.html Looking at this it is clear why Pocket has so much space on the sides of the display - the interface cable has to fit there. | 18:24 |
| - chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~chomwitt@ppp-94-67-132-66.home.otenet.gr) | 18:25 | |
| hramrach | right, it does not have backlight because it's OLED, and has different number of pins on the cable | 18:29 |
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| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a12:1b00:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 18:45 | |
| staticbunny | wow $91 def not cheap. Might be work buying and tinkering with though | 18:57 |
| hramrach | at this size OLED is expensive, that's why only mid-range and better phones/tablets have one. | 19:03 |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@80.76.57.3) | 19:09 | |
| staticbunny | it would look really nice on the pocket | 19:53 |
| staticbunny | if there isnt any hardware design required, i dont mind picking one up and testing it out | 19:54 |
| grimmware | Just had the keyboard crap out again, I think it might be related to a USB hub I have. More anecdata needed. | 20:00 |
| staticbunny | this jetson nano is trying my last nerve. its about to be recycled | 20:17 |
| * andypiper -> andypiper[afk] | 20:22 | |
| - andypiper[afk] (QUIT: Quit: My device has gone to sleep. Zzzz…) (~andypiper@80.76.57.3) | 20:22 | |
| gustav28 | minute: my keyboard4 has started showing strange colors on the backlight for some reason. noticed it today for the first time. it's like every other letter is a different color, Q is pink, W is purple and E is a bit more clear pink. when shifting the hue, different keys flash in different but similar colors. this is not how it behaved previously. | 20:39 |
| gustav28 | any idea of what it can be? | 20:39 |
| minute | gustav28: hmm, haven't seen this yet. sounds like an issue with data transmission into the LED chain. is this the stock firmware? | 20:41 |
| gustav28 | no it has my changes in https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/merge_requests/73 | 20:42 |
| gustav28 | I can try reflashing | 20:42 |
| minute | gustav28: yeah just to make sure it's not the FW | 20:42 |
| minute | staticbunny: you'll certainly need a custom hardware adapter (flex PCB) to swap in another display, and some knowledge of how MIPI-DSI works and how to modify drivers | 20:43 |
| gustav28 | minute: unfortunately flashing the same modified fw or the one from the master branch fixed the issue :/ I will send you video in a mastodon dm | 20:46 |
| minute | gustav28: why unfortunately? | 20:46 |
| minute | gustav28: hmm maybe the LED under the 6 key is slightly bad, it looks like it starts there | 20:47 |
| gustav28 | oh, did not fix the issue* | 20:48 |
| minute | gustav28: you can send the kb in and we can look into it/solder a new led in | 20:49 |
| gustav28 | sounds good, I'll send an email to support? | 20:50 |
| gustav28 | the 6 key is almost always showing white now that I look at it | 20:51 |
| minute | gustav28: yeah perhaps a problem between 5 and 6 or 6 has soldering issue | 21:07 |
| minute | gustav28: yes, support will handle it | 21:07 |
| minute | gustav28: sorry for that! hasn't happened here yet | 21:07 |
| hramrach | Thr rk3588 supports eDP but not sure that interface is available on the SoM. It sounds like it would be much easier to connect a display if this eDP were available | 21:36 |
| hramrach | given that dislplay in big reform uses hdmi to edp adapter it's unlikely the some makes edp available | 21:42 |
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| Twodisbetter | minute: are you a fan of the old school UMPC and that is kind of what motivated the Pocket? | 21:56 |
| henesy | oh man i forgot all about the UMPC | 22:03 |
| Twodisbetter | Yep, the OQOs were so ahead of their time and amazing | 22:05 |
| jfred | I always wanted one of those back in the day | 22:06 |
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| + erle (~erle@user/erle) | 22:09 | |
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| hramrach | UMPCs were a thing since way back https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_Libretto | 22:22 |
| minute | hramrach: another problem is that there are no drivers for DP yet. | 22:25 |
| digitalrane | umpcs are tge best, i always remember some rich kid coming into the computer store i worked at wanting us to work on his sony vaio pcg-c1 picturebook, what a cool machine | 22:26 |
| digitalrane | *the | 22:26 |
| digitalrane | i've got a few umpcs i want to transplant new brains into | 22:27 |
| grimmware | minute: did you see the Steam Deck OLED screen retrofit on crowdsupply btw? Apparently requires a custom bios too and is a different aspect ratio. I'd be interested to get your take on it. | 22:28 |
| hramrach | minute: there seems to be one https://github.com/armbian/linux-rockchip/pull/122/commits/ef4259ba6fbf185ccba1a2e410d64d714547a5ec | 22:28 |
| hramrach | how well it really works is another question | 22:28 |
| hramrach | it would be similar challenge retrofitting an OLED screen to the pocket reform. At least u-boot does not use the screen so it would not need to change :) | 22:30 |
| + reform6064 (~static@76-223-253-78.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) | 22:34 | |
| * reform6064 -> staticbunny2 | 22:35 | |
| staticbunny | where is the directions to reinstall os from sd? | 22:44 |
| staticbunny | i think i found it https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/issues/2 | 22:50 |
| - staticbunny2 (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~static@76-223-253-78.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) | 22:50 | |
| josch | staticbunny: that page is focussed on the imx8mq (other SoMs do not have a DIP switch) | 23:12 |
| josch | staticbunny: to re-install from sd-card (completely removing your existing installation) you can use reform-migrate or reform-setup-encrypted-nvme | 23:12 |
| staticbunny | got it thanks | 23:14 |
| grimmware | still experiencing massive battery undereports occasionally, I've currently got waybar (so /sys I think) telling me 2% when the sysctl is telling me 27% | 23:21 |
| grimmware | I think I'm going to set up some logging for the sysct's uart output becuase I've already got a systemd unit for proxying that to a socket for multiplexing | 23:22 |
| grimmware | I'd also like to set something up (gnuplot?) for plotting like, battery level against power draw and load average | 23:23 |
| grimmware | would help answer some of the questions about rcore power consumption, especially if someone with the imx8mp were able to run it too | 23:23 |
| + _justin_kelly2 (~justinkel@user/justin-kelly/x-6011154) | 23:37 | |
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| * _justin_kelly2 -> _justin_kelly | 23:39 | |
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