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| staticbunny | what does it take to change the keyboard leds and do fancy stuff? | 00:35 |
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| josch | hramrach: would you like me to just revert your last commit or do you have a different fix incoming? | 07:51 |
| josch | to reform-syste-image repo i mean | 07:51 |
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| minute | hmm no zed on debian yet https://zed.dev/docs/linux#installing-via-a-package-manager | 10:39 |
| grimmware | instantly turned off by most of the front page being about LLMs | 11:01 |
| grimmware | credit where credit's due though, nobody writes native UIs any more, it's usually electron shitware | 11:02 |
| + mjw (~mjw@2001:1c00:2a07:3a01:2442:e860:b66b:55c3) | 11:07 | |
| minute | grimmware: ah, apparently i glanced over that (didn't go to the front page) | 11:10 |
| minute | from time to time i'm wondering if there are any alternatives to emacs :D | 11:11 |
| hramrach | Would Electron get in the way of code editing? There is the problem that when there is no native widget and it has to be emulated the application will try to reinvent a GUI toolkit using DOM as the base, poorly, and without any options to customize the GUI interaction settings. For example, the doubleclick time is inherited from the OS on which the browser is running because the DOM recieves | 11:12 |
| hramrach | the doubleclick even from the OS but minimum drag distance that differentiated between click and drag is typically 0 in web UIs when they implement original elements. I think code highlighting and completion would be challenging to do correctly in DOM but I am not an expert on web technology. | 11:12 |
| xha | hramrach: i mean, vscode is written using electron? :D | 11:13 |
| hramrach | There are people who volutarily use web based code editors but maybe it's because they were born on the web and can't tell how bad and glitchy web applications are compared to native ones | 11:13 |
| hramrach | xha: and is it usable? | 11:13 |
| xha | no it's a pice of .... if you ask me lol | 11:14 |
| grimmware | minute: I sometimes veer outside of {,n}vim on occasion and realise that I can't be fucked to unlearn a bunch of habits and relearn a bunch of new ones | 11:14 |
| [tj] | sometimes I think I'd like nicer things in vim and then I see the nightmare of plugins and decide a little suffering is ok | 11:15 |
| grimmware | yeah, suffering is better than adding more software to solve the problem hahah | 11:16 |
| hramrach | as for interesting code editros there is https://kakoune.org/why-kakoune/why-kakoune.html IIRC there was a similar one functionality-wise that was not as focused on vim-like UX but can't remember what it was | 11:16 |
| grimmware | helix | 11:16 |
| [tj] | I'd quite like a gutter for git changes and for marks, but not enough to add a lot more stuff | 11:16 |
| grimmware | [tj]: you are skirting dangerously close to having someone tell you the 384 distasteful hoops to jump through to get a shitty version of what you want | 11:17 |
| hramrach | only 384, not 386? | 11:18 |
| grimmware | I look at text editors this way: I have already broken my limbs and re-set them into the hideous contortions I need to for this to be comfortable. Unless I find the time to write my own text editor, I'm not going to put in the speculative labor (or pain) to repeat the experience for minimal gain | 11:18 |
| grimmware | hramrach: keyboard mashing gods say no | 11:19 |
| hramrach | My take on editors is that while UNIX serial terminals are a thing vi-compatible editors are very unlikely to die. They are both fundamentally broken, and when put together they fit so nicely. | 11:21 |
| grimmware | on this horrible topic, does anyone have a recommendation for a TUI calendar that integrates with google calendar? | 11:21 |
| hramrach | gcalcli seems to work | 11:22 |
| hramrach | there is also the option to use a standard calendar protocol and then many programs will actually do | 11:22 |
| [tj] | I am using a serial terminal right now | 11:23 |
| [tj] | I use one every day | 11:23 |
| grimmware | hramrach: yeah I learned ed and was enlightened about design choices in vim | 11:23 |
| hramrach | I am using serial terminals daily as well, and that's why I have no motivation to use some editor other than vim. While I could use some much cooler editor when NOT using serial terminals I still need to know vi/ed. | 11:24 |
| [tj] | I learned ed as a joke and then I wrote ed output for gameoftrees and got very sad | 11:25 |
| grimmware | I learned ed because someone wrote a series of articles about it on the smolweb and then it saved my ass several times | 11:25 |
| [tj] | ed is great fun | 11:26 |
| [tj] | like using awk or dc | 11:26 |
| hramrach | eg. https://github.com/pimutils/khal | 11:27 |
| grimmware | hramrach: yeah I was just looking at that one, might give it a go | 11:27 |
| grimmware | rcore is making me want to live forever on this computer | 11:27 |
| [tj] | $ alias | grep khal | 11:30 |
| [tj] | kal='vdirsyncer --verbosity CRITICAL sync && khal calendar --once today 10d' | 11:30 |
| [tj] | I used khal in the past, but I'm not sure what for | 11:30 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@198.16.214.40) | 11:33 | |
| grimmware | hey is there any way of resetting the internal keyboard without using the keyboard? Mine is apparently wedged and I'd like to be able to reset it without powering the whole machine off and on again (using an external keyboard) | 12:44 |
| grimmware | I am currently grepping irc logs for messages about hidraw | 12:49 |
| grimmware | I have given up, I don't think this is possible if the keyboard is wedged unless it's possible via sysctl to turn off its power rails | 13:00 |
| grimmware | you can send it a message to reset but it will only do that if it's actually listening | 13:00 |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-52-4.bbcust.telenor.se) | 13:02 | |
| minute | grimmware: oh like it's totally unresponsive? | 13:09 |
| minute | grimmware: it also has a reset button if that's an option | 13:09 |
| grimmware | minute: yeah it was, I did a reboot eventually | 13:25 |
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| + sevan (~sevan@2001:470:1f1d:1d6:5a55:caff:fe24:ed4) | 13:26 | |
| _rm_ | heh welp, TIL, trackpad module in hand, that it doesn't fit this reform :D | 15:46 |
| + spew (~spew@201.141.99.170) | 15:47 | |
| minute | _rm_: hmmm? | 15:52 |
| minute | _rm_: did you get the trackpad module for reform and wanted to put it in pocket reform? | 15:53 |
| _rm_ | minute: no, full size both | 15:55 |
| minute | _rm_: the module should fit! what's the issue? | 15:55 |
| _rm_ | this is truck's prototype reform though so the case design must've changed? | 15:55 |
| minute | ohhh | 15:55 |
| minute | ok that's a special case :0 | 15:55 |
| _rm_ | yeah i figured | 15:56 |
| minute | one could maybe replace or modify the case... but also the current trackball is pretty good vs the original one | 15:56 |
| _rm_ | does the current trackball fit this machine? | 15:57 |
| minute | good question, i don't 100% remember... it should. but we should see if we have an old part here to test that | 16:07 |
| minute | perhaps vimja on fediverse can answer that question, i think he also uses 1 proto refofrm | 16:08 |
| minute | reform | 16:08 |
| _rm_ | alright | 16:11 |
| + staticbunny (~textual@76-223-253-78.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) | 16:14 | |
| _rm_ | am i missing something with the oled menu, i can't get it to show | 16:22 |
| staticbunny | meta + enter? | 16:24 |
| staticbunny | did you make sure you toggle the power switch? | 16:25 |
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| + sevan (~sevan@user/venture37) | 16:30 | |
| _rm_ | yeah | 16:33 |
| staticbunny | new machine? | 16:33 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~mjw@2001:1c00:2a07:3a01:2442:e860:b66b:55c3) | 16:35 | |
| hramrach | you may need to connect a power supply as well | 16:41 |
| _rm_ | it's connected, although i just swapped out the battery boards | 16:45 |
| _rm_ | i wonder what i did wrong now, the machine won't even boot heh | 16:48 |
| staticbunny | check your battery cables on the mainboard side | 16:49 |
| staticbunny | when my chargeboard died i disconnected the cables on both sides and forgot | 16:49 |
| _rm_ | they're all connected | 16:49 |
| staticbunny | since i was using the jumper method to power from pd | 16:50 |
| staticbunny | any heat on the chargeboard when plugged in? | 16:50 |
| _rm_ | should there be? | 16:51 |
| staticbunny | if its connected properly you will see it heat up | 16:52 |
| staticbunny | it shouldnt get too hot but it will warm up, mine was around 120F | 16:53 |
| _rm_ | not sure, the batteries feel about room temperature | 16:54 |
| minute | staticbunny: reform has a specific oled menu key, circle, not meta-enter | 16:54 |
| minute | staticbunny: also charging architecture is totally different, so these things from pocket reform don't apply @ reform | 16:55 |
| staticbunny | ahhh good to know, i defaulted to pocket mb | 16:57 |
| staticbunny | guess i'll have to get a reform too :-D | 16:58 |
| + mjw (~mjw@89.205.143.124) | 17:02 | |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@89.36.117.58) | 17:04 | |
| andypiper | ACTION waves | 17:04 |
| andypiper | hi friends! Just installed the RK3588 in my Pocket :-) now figuring out how to get it to use the existing system installed on SSD | 17:05 |
| staticbunny | i would assume its the standard method of migrating from one disk to another and updating fdisk? maybe clonezilla? its on my todo list under get jetson nano working on turingpi. Let me know how you end up doing it. | 17:26 |
| andypiper | I'm reading https://community.mnt.re/t/howto-upgrade-an-existing-mnt-reform-system-on-encrypted-nvme-for-rk3588/2630 and currently writing an SD card | 17:26 |
| + andypiper_ (~andypiper@2a00:23ee:2858:648e:4496:c6cf:fb30:e7ab) | 17:28 | |
| - andypiper (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~andypiper@89.36.117.58) | 17:29 | |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@89.36.117.58) | 17:30 | |
| andypiper | that said, the bmaptool command failed with an error about it not being a gzip file and then a NamedFile not iterable. So I'm using balenaEtcher on another machine. | 17:32 |
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| minute | andypiper: yes, my guide with the corrections from grimmware's comments should do the job | 17:40 |
| minute | i still have to work them in (a bit too many tasks here atm) | 17:41 |
| + CandidCadaver (~aloo_shu@90.166.98.89) | 17:41 | |
| andypiper | ok. At the moment I'm into chroot but the mounting of proc et al is not working. I think I can modify fstab anyway. | 17:41 |
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| + buckket (~buckket@vps.buckket.org) | 17:46 | |
| andypiper | oh, you don't want to choose a different (temporary) hostname when you boot to SD because then when you mount the NVME and chroot, it's unhappy | 17:48 |
| andypiper | understandable, but I didn't think ahead. | 17:48 |
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| + mjw (~mjw@89.205.143.124) | 17:50 | |
| minute | andypiper: hmm mounting of proc doesn't work? why not? | 17:52 |
| andypiper | I think because I hadn't read grimmware comments yet. In the meantime, I've changed hostname and restarted, so getting back to there to try again | 17:53 |
| andypiper | ie. the mount command is missing an element | 17:53 |
| andypiper | no, that statement by me is wrong, ignore, and let's try again. | 17:54 |
| andypiper | I had made a mistake in the mount commands - they are fine - I am past that point | 17:57 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 18:04 | |
| andypiper | in my case, I had tailscale installed on my original base system so the resolv.conf comment about symlinks etc was not relevant, of course mileage may vary there. | 18:05 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~mjw@89.205.143.124) | 18:06 | |
| andypiper | ok... here goes with the apt bits... | 18:06 |
| + mjw (~mjw@84.241.192.143) | 18:09 | |
| andypiper | I got a "cannot write log (is /dev/pts mounted?)" message during the install. And the "Unsupported platform" message. Trying the flash kernel trick | 18:11 |
| andypiper | that succeeded... here we go for a reboot | 18:13 |
| andypiper | I'm looking at a "Starting system-udevd version 256.6-1"... and then a bunch of other messages... eventually not being able to mount the nvme and dropping to an initramfs shell :-( | 18:18 |
| hramrach | josch: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/114 | 18:19 |
| vagrantc | hah. was starting to have wonders about my order from a while back, but a shipping notice in my mailbox landed just before i started asking questions ... rk3588 and v4 keyboards, here we come. | 18:20 |
| andypiper | but booting back to the emmc version of the rk3588 system, I see /dev/nvme0n1p1 just fine. | 18:21 |
| andypiper | I guess I can go round the loop again from SD card | 18:21 |
| minute | andypiper: the devpts message is harmless btw | 18:23 |
| andypiper | yeah I thought so. | 18:23 |
| minute | andypiper: ok so when you chrooted, /boot was mounted from the first emmc partition inside of the chroot yes? | 18:24 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~mjw@84.241.192.143) | 18:24 | |
| andypiper | hmm maybe I did the sd card rather than emmc | 18:24 |
| minute | andypiper: and /etc/fstab inside the chroot edited to have /boot on rk3588 emmc and / on the correct nvme partition? | 18:25 |
| minute | andypiper: also, encrypted nvme or unencrypted? | 18:25 |
| andypiper | unencrypted | 18:25 |
| minute | ok that makes it easier | 18:25 |
| minute | when in initramfs shell, you can also try mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 and then exit | 18:25 |
| minute | maybe it boots? | 18:25 |
| + mjw (~mjw@89.205.134.43) | 18:25 | |
| minute | sorry, mount /dev/nmve0n1p1 / | 18:26 |
| andypiper | let me give that a shot | 18:26 |
| minute | typo again. mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 / | 18:26 |
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| + mjw (~mjw@89.205.134.43) | 18:29 | |
| andypiper | uh. Unsure what just happened, but: I had the initramfs shell issue booting from the sdcard, so I powered off, took out sd card, powered on (to prove the emmc was fine); mounted nvme on /mnt for a look, fine; was about to try what you just said, so put sd card back in and systemctl reboot, and now it booted to my original nvme system | 18:30 |
| andypiper | which is great, but I'm not sure what happened. | 18:30 |
| minute | maybe indeed you updated the /boot on sdcard before? | 18:31 |
| minute | instead of emmc | 18:31 |
| andypiper | yes, could have been that. | 18:31 |
| andypiper | so ideally I want to boot from emmc + nvme, but from SD at the moment is fine, if I can still get to the stuff I had here. | 18:32 |
| andypiper | rk3588 seems to be cooler than the imx board, based on ~1 hour of tinkering. | 18:32 |
| staticbunny | minute: will there be replacement lcd's for the pocket? mine already has a light splotch but not bad enough to worry about yet. Also, do you plan on adding an OLED option? | 18:33 |
| andypiper | I can't run an apt upgrade generally because it is complaining about reform-qcacld2 depending on an older linux image. Is qcacld needed on this model of soc? | 18:34 |
| andypiper | ah do I need to apt autoremove first... | 18:35 |
| andypiper | yes, that was it. | 18:35 |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 18:38 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~mjw@89.205.134.43) | 18:40 | |
| minute | andypiper: no, you can remove reform-qcacld2 | 18:42 |
| + Andersonn (~tom@2001:470:b4ef::5) | 18:42 | |
| Andersonn | hello! | 18:42 |
| minute | hi Andersonn | 18:42 |
| Andersonn | jsut checked my ip on https://mioip.info to be sure was not my problem but i still can't connect to mntre.com | 18:43 |
| Andersonn | it keep loading | 18:43 |
| Andersonn | then got dns error | 18:43 |
| grimmware | works for me | 18:43 |
| Andersonn | maybe somewhat related to my ipv6 ? | 18:43 |
| grimmware | Andersonn: have you tried temporarily disabling it? | 18:44 |
| Andersonn | no | 18:44 |
| Andersonn | ipv4 seems to be ok | 18:44 |
| Andersonn | so i can not open it using ipv6 is this normal ? | 18:44 |
| Andersonn | anyway disabling ipv6 works | 18:45 |
| Andersonn | thanks | 18:45 |
| - Andersonn (PART: Closing Window) (~tom@2001:470:b4ef::5) | 18:48 | |
| andypiper | hmm, not getting audio on the Pocket after the upgrade, but everything seems to be "on" | 18:51 |
| minute | andypiper: in alsamixer -> f6 -> second card? everything on, even Left DAC to Left Mixer or whatever it's called? (way on the right) | 18:52 |
| andypiper | it looks like it, but in the meantime I also terminated pulseaudio server so I'll reboot and check again | 18:58 |
| sevan | minute: 3.0 mobo, will that support USB 3.2? | 19:01 |
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| minute | sevan: not sure, which feature of 3.2 do you need? | 19:39 |
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| josch | minute: could you enable gitlab CI runner for https://source.mnt.re/hramrach/reform-system-image thank you! | 19:49 |
| josch | i'm unsure what hramrach's patch does on big reform so it would make it easier if the CI would give me the image to try right away :) | 19:49 |
| sevan | minute: was wondering about increased bandwidth :) | 19:53 |
| minute | sevan: the usb-c is only for power | 19:56 |
| minute | (and debug uarts) | 19:57 |
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| sevan | minute: hmm, the USB controller is on the SoC, right? | 20:09 |
| sevan | ACTION looks at handbook :) | 20:10 |
| sevan | ah, it's on the mobo. "TUSB8040 USB hub chip". USB 3.2 can be offered over the type A ports, no? (or is it meant to be confined to type c? (I'm not familiar with the details of the USB spec)) | 20:12 |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 20:18 | |
| sevan | minute: nevermind, the successor TUSB8042A is still a 5Gbps part, but different features. I have a USB 3.2 DAS and was curious if I'd see different performance :) | 20:23 |
| sevan | (USB 3.2 gen 2 @ 10Gbps) | 20:26 |
| + staticbunny (~textual@76-223-253-78.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) | 20:35 | |
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| grimmware | compiling OpenRGB on the pocket w/ rk3588 seems to max out around 85 degrees | 21:30 |
| grimmware | closer to 84 | 21:30 |
| grimmware | I wonder how much of a compile time decrease you'd get if you were binpacking better across the performance/efficiency cores | 21:31 |
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| hramrach | josch: by default console-setup would load Fixed8x16 from the system, with the change font from the kernel is used. One or the other might be slightly but I don't expect significant difference. | 22:31 |
| hramrach | slightly nore recent | 22:32 |
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