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| xha | minute: just did an upgrade and... rk_gmac-dwmac fe1b0000.ethernet end0: Link is Up - 1Gbps/Full - flow control rx/tx | 06:57 |
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| xha | thank you so much! :) | 06:57 |
| xha | so that means not sending the module back then. | 06:59 |
| xha | ACTION is expierencing all kinds of good emotions | 07:00 |
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| + xha (~xha@user/xha) | 07:09 | |
| xha | bluerise: did you manage to run openbsd on the rk3588 module? or made some progress? | 07:19 |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-52-34.bbcust.telenor.se) | 10:03 | |
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| bluerise | xha: mine's yet to be shipped! | 10:33 |
| bluerise | I hope UPS will have a present for me next week | 10:33 |
| xha | i see. thanks | 10:34 |
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| - Ar|stote|is (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~linx@149.210.20.13) | 12:37 | |
| svp | had an oopsie happen while i was being uncautious, now two usb ports are without power. both are controlled by the internal hub so i went and checked if their enable was high but i was met with a nice round 0 on both enable pins, with no short to ground. is there anything upstream i could check or is it more likely that i made the hub sad? | 12:41 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.28.21) | 12:41 | |
| hramrach | uh, how do you boot from a SD card? | 12:43 |
| hramrach | I tried to insert one, reboot, and got beck the the emmc OS, then rebooted again, and get the SD card OS | 12:44 |
| hramrach | imx8mp pocket reform | 12:47 |
| josch | in theory, u-boot (on emmc) should be trying to load boot.scr or extlinux.conf from the first partition on the sd-card first and then (if sd-card failed) try the first partition on emmc | 12:56 |
| josch | which OS is then loaded depends on the initramfs that was found on sd-card or emmc | 12:56 |
| hramrach | so perhaps the SD is flaky then | 13:11 |
| minute | xha: awesome, happy that it works now | 13:13 |
| - Ar|stote|is (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~linx@149.210.28.21) | 13:16 | |
| hramrach | hm, machine powered on by itself, scary | 13:21 |
| hramrach | but then again I am running some development snapshot of sysctl firmware so I should not be that surprised | 13:22 |
| hramrach | not sure what could trigger it | 13:22 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.28.40) | 13:24 | |
| minute | hramrach: there is a factory mode define where it turns on at start of sysctl firmware | 13:25 |
| minute | maybe that's on? | 13:25 |
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| - Ar|stote|is (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~linx@149.210.28.40) | 14:06 | |
| mhoye | hah! it turns out the answer is "wait for it to just slightly oxidize" | 14:09 |
| mhoye | Works perfectly now. | 14:09 |
| mhoye | In any case: now despite being tragically not shiny, this new mouse ball is an improvement. | 14:10 |
| josch | mhoye: i'm happy with my existing ball. How is your now oxidized ball better than the original? | 14:11 |
| mhoye | very, _very_ smooth motion, like oil-on-glass smooth, and just a little bit of weight to it. | 14:12 |
| mhoye | I mean, to be clear I'm aware that what I'm doing is obviously ridiculous. | 14:13 |
| mhoye | The number of people in the world who need a trackball made out of an exotic material that's machined to micron tolerances is zero. | 14:13 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.29.105) | 14:14 | |
| josch | mhoye: where can one get one? | 14:14 |
| mhoye | But I happen to think computing should be a lot more tactile and pleasing than it is, so I'm here and it's pretty good. | 14:15 |
| mhoye | I'm on my way out, but I'll dig out the Ali Express links later today. | 14:15 |
| minute | btw in the meantime vkcube runs on my rk3588 with the latest git mesa. so the first vulkan basics are there for g610 | 14:20 |
| minute | mhoye: i agree with the more tactility. also interested in the ball link. cool that there was one that fits! | 14:22 |
| grimmware | Yeah I’d like to try the same in the pocket. | 14:29 |
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| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.28.249) | 14:47 | |
| jfred | Now I'm tempted to try this out too lol. mhoye you might have started a trend XD | 14:50 |
| josch | i love the trackball -- if it's not too expensive, i'm open for experiments :) | 14:51 |
| ryukazou | Does pocket reform and reform2 share the same hinge design? They look pretty alike. | 15:06 |
| josch | ryukazou: same hinges | 15:07 |
| ryukazou | Thanks!! | 15:08 |
| hramrach | minute: but for the factory setting to apply the sysctl would have to reboot, right? | 15:14 |
| hramrach | in any case I have seen it onkly once so difficult to say what it is | 15:14 |
| minute | hramrach: yes, it would have to | 15:33 |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:42 | |
| josch | mhoye: without having met somebody in person it is hard for me sometimes to remember all the nicknames but now i read your post on fedi and saw your keyboard and i immediately was like "ooooh yes, *that* is who mhoye was" :D | 15:43 |
| josch | custom keyboard ftw :) | 15:44 |
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| grimmware | honestly the aesthetic hardware mods are a huge part of why the reform ecosystem is good - you actually have the choice to change how it looks and feels | 15:56 |
| grimmware | I am going to have to make a pocket keyboard with browns though, I'm on a train and the carriage is quite quiet and I feel bad about my clicky keys :/ | 15:57 |
| grimmware | even though I love them | 15:57 |
| minute | grimmware: i had one with browns during development and it's a good fit! | 16:00 |
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| grimmware | minute: what made you choose whites or reds (completely) out of interest? | 16:12 |
| grimmware | man trying to figure out the math on this accelerometer-based lid closed detection is a bit more complex than I figured | 16:17 |
| grimmware | I wish I could remember literally any of that phyics masters degree I allegedly did :P | 16:19 |
| grimmware | Not helped by the fact I had to orient the sensors differently | 16:20 |
| grimmware | (I am not asking someone to explain the math to me, I will get there and I almost certainly won't learn in the way you teach) | 16:21 |
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| grimmware | think I've nailed it | 16:36 |
| grimmware | rotation matrix and then angle between | 16:36 |
| josch | grimmware: if your problem is related to rotation/transformation matrices to convert between different coordinate systems -- we have a full semester course on that topic here at uni and it confuses the heck out of everybody including us professors, so don't feel too bad :D | 16:39 |
| josch | sometimes, after having pulled too much of my remaining hair out, i just let a program go through all possible permutations of matrix operations until it finds the one that produces the expected output... it's tricky :) | 16:40 |
| grimmware | josch: I'm on the train to a low-key halloween party with 6 people (including us) and I've just remembered that 1/6th of the party has a PhD in mathematics so I'm going to pause my efforts until I get there :P | 16:50 |
| josch | nice :D | 16:51 |
| grimmware | thing is it looks like I've solved the problem up until I start waving the closed pocket around and it turns out I've only solved for a relatively flat surface | 16:51 |
| grimmware | I've added keyboard backlight on/off to the script so at least I can see through the hinge what it thinks is happening | 16:51 |
| josch | oh handy | 16:52 |
| grimmware | at least lid closed detection is the only thing I really need both accelerometers for - orientation will be entirely based on the screen so that will be easy :) | 16:55 |
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| + cobra (~cobra@user/Cobra) | 18:32 | |
| xha | hmm, is it possible to boot from nvme on the pocket reform w/ rk3588? | 18:39 |
| mhoye | josch: you know it | 18:40 |
| minute | xha: not directly but via uboot on emmc | 18:41 |
| xha | hmm, i am not very familiar with uboot. "nvme scan" or "nvme info" don't show any disks. | 18:42 |
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| minute | xha: i suggest to just migrate your os to nvme and keep /boot on emmc | 18:42 |
| xha | oh, well, i am trying to boot openbsd, just installed it on the pocket to the nvme :D | 18:42 |
| minute | xha: you can use reform-setup-encrypted-nvme for that | 18:42 |
| minute | ah sorry | 18:42 |
| minute | xha: how did you install that | 18:43 |
| xha | i booted openbsd from the sd card | 18:43 |
| mhoye | 14:36 <@shogo> weird two linux servers just decided that they needed more power and started to beep and then shutdown | 18:43 |
| minute | xha: how did you get display out that way? | 18:43 |
| mhoye | whoops | 18:43 |
| minute | xha: or you want to use it headless? | 18:43 |
| xha | i used the serial connection | 18:44 |
| minute | xha: so you want to use it only over serial? | 18:44 |
| xha | nah, i just find it easier to develop on an installed system and not having to build an installation medium all the time | 18:44 |
| mhoye | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006891835801.html | 18:44 |
| mhoye | there we go | 18:44 |
| mhoye | That's the ali supplier I used | 18:45 |
| mhoye | What size are the pocket reform trackballs? They're probably on that list... | 18:45 |
| minute | xha: couldn't you use the same sd card to boot into openbsd on nvme somehow? | 18:45 |
| minute | also, bluerise here should be able to give the best advice on openbsd+rk3588 | 18:46 |
| xha | he does not have the module yet :D | 18:46 |
| xha | alright, then i'll use the sd card. | 18:47 |
| + cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837) | 18:48 | |
| josch | mhoye: and i assume you bought the 25 mm variant and after "waiting" a few days that one is no perfect in your opinion? | 18:59 |
| xha | minute: actually, booting from nvme works :D | 18:59 |
| josch | s/no/now/ | 18:59 |
| josch | xha: i never used openbsd, how does it install itself to another medium? Do you have openbsd on a sd-card and it comes with an installer program that queries you for the target medium and then formats that and copies all the relevant files? | 19:00 |
| xha | josch: yeah | 19:01 |
| josch | i'm asking because for the reform we have the custom reform-migrate and reform-setup-encrypted-nvme scripts and i'd like to hear how other OSes do this | 19:01 |
| xha | okay well i am now running openbsd on the pocket reform (over a serial connection) on the nvme. that was easy lol | 19:02 |
| xha | ugh the uboot timeout of 0 is a pain, is there a way to increase it? | 19:04 |
| josch | xha: that seems to have been a deliberate choice by minute: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/-/commit/0d114ec477be5469d3fdf32f5e4ba1429302d2db | 19:06 |
| josch | xha: maybe setting ${bootdelay} helps: https://docs.u-boot.org/en/latest/usage/environment.html#:~:text=bootdelay | 19:13 |
| minute | xha: yeah you can rebuild and flash uboot | 19:15 |
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| hramrach | mhoye: the description here says 15mm https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/pocket-reform but it llooks like the hole is 15mm, the ball is probably a bit larger | 20:12 |
| svp | is USB_RESETn supposed to be 0V or not 0V in normal operation? id assume 0V because it might be a negated input but i want to be sure | 20:36 |
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| gustav28 | is the 16gb emmc located on the reform motherboard itself or on a module? | 21:58 |
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| - gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-78-82-52-34.bbcust.telenor.se) | 22:15 | |
| + cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837) | 22:16 | |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-52-34.bbcust.telenor.se) | 22:19 | |
| svp | tapping on the USB_RESETn pin seems to make the controller act up and sometimes it springs up to life. curious. | 22:27 |
| josch | gustav28: module | 22:33 |
| gustav28 | on all modules? | 22:38 |
| josch | gustav28: currently, all modules officially su | 22:40 |
| josch | pported by MNT come with eMMC | 22:40 |
| josch | and none of the mainboards (classic reform, pocket reform, reform next) have emmc soldered on them | 22:40 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@47-186-105-237.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 22:55 | |
| gustav28 | okay, thanks for the clarification | 23:02 |
| gustav28 | minute: I'm currently adding modes for swapping ctrl<->hyper/super<->alt in reform/reform2-keyboard4-fw. any general thoughts on this? | 23:25 |
| gustav28 | I have two observations: | 23:26 |
| gustav28 | 1) it seems to be possible to trigger non-standalone functionality in standalone-mode (see execute_menu_function()), should this be restricted? | 23:26 |
| gustav28 | 2) what about having pico-sdk as a git submodule to the reform repo? looks like you already clone the pico-sdk repo to the repo root (build.sh sets this path), but having it as an explicit submodule allows for everyone to use the same commit of it, etc | 23:26 |
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| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.28.180) | 23:56 | |
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