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| minute | interesting, chromium doesn't ever crash on the pocket reform internal display, when no hdmi is connected | 01:11 |
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| minute | i've had a one hour browsing session for tv shows on taste.io with tons of tabs and videos, everything went smoothly | 01:11 |
| minute | (rk3588 i forgot to say) | 01:11 |
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| AbortRetryFail | I just wanna say thanks. I got protected battery boards installed today. I love how easy the Reform is to work on. :) | 02:04 |
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| digitalrane | it's so good right!? | 02:26 |
| digitalrane | when i disassemble my t440p now it feels so difficult | 02:26 |
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| xha | ugh, i wanted to buy a different wifi card that is supported on openbsd, something like ax210 with iwx(4), but didn't notice that the slot is m.2. key b :( | 06:57 |
| xha | any suggestions on a card that could work? | 06:58 |
| xha | (pocket reform w/ rk3588) | 07:00 |
| xha | and i am guessing there is no PCI-E on the slot, so adapter would also be of no use? | 07:02 |
| xha | minute: here's my dmesg, but i am guessing that you have found the same error anyways? https://xha.li/paste/pocket_dmesg.txt | 08:07 |
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| minute | xha: yes, thanks, that's the error i also dealt with last night. i have a workaround that can be installed, we can prob make a new system image today so you can first try it from microsd card and see if it works | 10:12 |
| josch | minute: your reform-debian-packages branch is merged and already in the MNT repos | 10:13 |
| minute | josch: nice. so if xha had alternative internet access they could upgrade | 10:13 |
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| grimmware | minute: UPS tracking now says they’re delivering on Tuesday so I guess that is fixed! | 11:21 |
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| minute | grimmware: great | 14:01 |
| xha | minute: so i can just do "apt update && apt upgrade", right? or should i flash the system image onto an sd card? i mean, things are not going to get more broken? | 15:06 |
| xha | just out of curiosity, what was the fix? | 15:08 |
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| minute | xha: ok so. if you don't have network on the machine, you can do: rmmod dwmac_rk; gpioset -c 3 23=0 (needs to be quit with ctrl-c); gpioset -c 3 23=1 (ctrl-c as well); modprobe dwmac_rk | 17:06 |
| minute | xha: that should make the ethernet work after a few seconds | 17:06 |
| minute | xha: then you can apt update; apt upgrade. | 17:06 |
| minute | xha: but if you have usb ethernet or something you can skip the reviving it manually | 17:07 |
| xha | i have usb ethernet, but i am going to run your commands for extra fun. | 17:07 |
| minute | xha: (everything as root btw) | 17:08 |
| minute | xha: cool, let me know your findings | 17:08 |
| xha | ok well neither rmmod or modprobe is installed so i guess i am going to use usb ethernet :D | 17:11 |
| josch | xha: maybe you are not root. Those utilities are in sbin | 17:11 |
| josch | xha: try running this: dpkg-query --search /sbin/rmmod | 17:12 |
| josch | you should have the "kmod" package installed | 17:12 |
| minute | xha: sudo su | 17:12 |
| xha | oops, you're right, they are actually installed. i would've expected they are in $PATH when i do "su" | 17:12 |
| minute | xha: try sudo su instead of su | 17:12 |
| xha | ok that works! thanks. | 17:13 |
| minute | xha: niiice | 17:15 |
| xha | sorry to disappoint you, but i can just run the commands, ethernet does not work yet :D | 17:16 |
| minute | xha: ok so. stop after the 3rd command (the one with 23=1) | 17:17 |
| minute | xha: then wait and see if the lights on the ethernet port light up after like 5 seconds | 17:17 |
| minute | (cable needs to be plugged in, sorry) | 17:17 |
| minute | xha: once the lights are on, do the last command (modprobe dwmac_rk) | 17:18 |
| xha | lights on the pocket reform or on the router? | 17:18 |
| minute | xha: sorry i forgot that you're on pocket reform, not on reform. but yeah, lights either on the pocket or on the router | 17:20 |
| minute | the lights are behind the panel near the network connector so not sure if you can see them | 17:21 |
| xha | just did apt update && apt upgrade (with usb ethernet) and after a reboot it did not work, unfortunately. also no lights. still the same DMA errors in dmesg. | 17:22 |
| minute | xha: ok hmmmm sorry for that, that's disappointing... uname -a gives 6.11.4 yes? | 17:24 |
| minute | xha: did ethernet work before, with the old imx8mp module? | 17:24 |
| xha | yup, 6.11.4-mnt-reform-arm64 | 17:25 |
| xha | i never tried | 17:25 |
| xha | should i? | 17:25 |
| minute | xha: if that's not a big hassle then yeah, then we can confirm everything is ok with the pocket itself | 17:26 |
| xha | sure. gimme a sec | 17:26 |
| xha | yes, internet works with the imx8mp. dmesg says "imx-dwmac 30bf0000.ethernet end1: Link is Up - 1Gbps/Full - flow control rx/tx" | 17:33 |
| minute | xha: ok, then maybe we should do a module swap of your rcore rk3588 | 17:35 |
| minute | i'm updating all modules right now that aren't shipped yet and so far the fix always works | 17:36 |
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| josch | xha: just to make sure, can you give the output of: | 17:43 |
| josch | dpkg -l 'linux-image-6.11.4-mnt-reform-arm64' | 17:43 |
| josch | and of: uname -v | 17:43 |
| josch | and of: dpkg-query --show --showformat '${Version}' reform-tools | 17:44 |
| josch | just to make sure that everything is indeed up-to-date | 17:44 |
| xha | https://xha.li/paste/thing.txt | 17:47 |
| xha | i think everything is up-to-date? | 17:47 |
| josch | xha: you are absolutely correct. Everything is up-to-date and you are running the latest kernel from the MNT repo | 17:50 |
| xha | ok now there are some truely weird things happening. the rockchip wouldn't turn off ("systemctl poweroff", and the green light on the module would still light after a minute) and when i tried to hard power it off or view the battery usage using the old display it would show a "T" in the upper left corner. i am very sure that i did not break anything hardware wise. it works and boots again after | 18:02 |
| xha | a hard reset using the "RST button" on the mainboard, although i once again had the bug with the keyboard (after another reboot it worked though) | 18:02 |
| xha | (keyboard bug == keyboard wouldn't work) | 18:03 |
| xha | s/old display/oled display/ | 18:03 |
| xha | so yes, it would probably be a good idea to swap modules. not sure what is wrong here... /o\ | 18:06 |
| minute | xha: T means timeout, probably system controller crash | 18:06 |
| minute | xha: if you power cycle the whole thing with the little standby switch, it should be fine again | 18:06 |
| xha | yeah, it works fine after that. | 18:07 |
| minute | xha: ok, we'll make you an UPS label to get your board back and send you another one. please send a mail to support@mntre.com and say the return/exchange was authorized on IRC by me, ups return label plz | 18:07 |
| xha | alright. | 18:11 |
| xha | thanks. | 18:11 |
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| minute | hmm, i wonder if this is set too late https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/phy/rockchip/phy-rockchip-samsung-hdptx.c#L1129 | 18:28 |
| minute | or if ret = devm_pm_runtime_enable(dev); is too early | 18:28 |
| minute | because we get NULL here sometimes https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/phy/rockchip/phy-rockchip-samsung-hdptx.c#L1058 | 18:29 |
| minute | so maybe resume is called sometimes before it reaches phy_set_drvdata(hdptx->phy, hdptx); | 18:29 |
| minute | ok i found one board (currently retesting everything) where the fix also doesn't work | 18:33 |
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| ryukazou | Need suggestions for good microphone to pair with mnt reform camera. | 19:42 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.22.80) | 19:43 | |
| hramrach | define good :) | 19:45 |
| hramrach | should it be open hardware? | 19:46 |
| hramrach | I don't know if it's good but there is one or a few https://github.com/loudifier/OpenRefMic | 19:51 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat242060.utdallas.edu) | 19:54 | |
| ryukazou | This one seem nice, I also found this one on crowd supply https://www.crowdsupply.com/anavi-technology/anavi-dev-mic | 19:55 |
| minute | hramrach: huh that's interesting | 20:02 |
| hramrach | not that the OpenRefMic is a 'pro' microphone that requires an audio interface that is not inlcuded | 20:05 |
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| hramrach | there is another USB A one https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/12/31/mico-a-usb-microphone-based-on-raspberry-pi-rp2040-mcu/ | 20:23 |
| minute | i was wondering today if there are any good oshw usb speakers | 20:33 |
| minute | could use sth for my desk at home | 20:33 |
| mhoye | in terms of microphones, i have one of the seeed 4-mic directional ones, and my advice is that you not buy one | 20:35 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 20:46 | |
| mhoye | It saddens me to report that a high-precision silicon nitride trackball feels incredibly smooth, looks incredibly cool and works incredibly badly. | 20:50 |
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| + Guest361 (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 21:06 | |
| minute | mhoye: in reform? | 21:25 |
| mhoye | Yes. | 21:25 |
| mhoye | I cannot emphasize how smooth this is, it is like oiled glass. It is so disappointing that it's unusable. | 21:26 |
| mhoye | That said, your designing that trackball so just two little screws on the top are all you need to open that up and clean it out? That was a very nice touch. | 21:26 |
| minute | mhoye: why is it unusable? not able to track it? | 21:32 |
| minute | (the sensor i mean) | 21:32 |
| mhoye | too reflective, I think. | 21:45 |
| minute | minute: | 21:48 |
| minute | mhoye: maybe the surface could be changed somehow slightly? some sort of spray, or other imperfections? | 21:48 |
| mhoye | I've got a second option coming in, I'll try that before resorting to modifying the finish on this one. | 21:54 |
| mhoye | Roughing up something that's intended to be precise to within an eighth of a micrometer seems... wrong though. | 21:56 |
| minute | mhoye: :D | 22:06 |
| minute | i found another option for the ethernet problem xha | 22:07 |
| minute | we've been unpacking all shipments and re-testing all rcores and updating them etc, so i found a few where the ethernet still wouldn't bodge with the workaround, but! | 22:07 |
| minute | i found out it works when turning around the 125mhz rgmii clock | 22:07 |
| minute | while scoping i also noticed we should lower the MDIO pullup resistor from 4.7k to 1k to make that signal nicer, but it doesn't seem to make a real difference | 22:08 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: is the intention to crowdsouce the Reform Next as well? It is looking great, BTW. I lament the loss of the trackball, but the design, as usual, is top notch on it. I feel like I'm going to end up with every MNT laptop that you will make. Hahaha | 22:10 |
| minute | Twodisbetter: yes! https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform-next | 22:10 |
| minute | Twodisbetter: sorry, https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/mnt-reform-next | 22:10 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 22:11 | |
| Twodisbetter | ahh ok. Well I will keep my eyes peeled for when that launches | 22:13 |
| - gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-78-82-52-34.bbcust.telenor.se) | 22:15 | |
| minute | i have to say pocket reform with rk3588 has mostly taken over from reform for me in the last weeks... | 22:22 |
| minute | but if i was traveling for a longer time or sth i would surely use reform because of the larger screen and keyboard | 22:22 |
| minute | but pocket is lighter in my backpack and docks easily with my dell at home and fits on any table here at the studio for serial debugging. still handles unlimited amount of browser tabs with 32gigs+8 cores. | 22:23 |
| sknebel | mhoye: probably be tricky to do, but I wonder if etching the surface would be something that could work while removing minimal material | 22:27 |
| sknebel | although still make it not-shiny of course :D | 22:28 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 22:31 | |
| minute | the new ethernet fix makes eth work on all 3 modules that i marked here non-working before | 22:40 |
| hramrach | how are temperatures with the CPU module against tha trackpad in reform-next? | 23:17 |
| minute | hramrach: it's not really going against the trackpad, but the bottom of the aluminum case (which wasn't milled yet, ETA november 8). in the photos the mainboard is upside down basically | 23:21 |
| minute | xha: when you have time, can you put rk3588 back in your pocket reform and install this deb on the machine? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/6407/artifacts/file/repo/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-6.11.4-mnt-reform-arm64_6.11.4-1+reform20241025T201754Z_arm64.deb | 23:22 |
| minute | xha: there's a good chance that it'll fix the ethernet | 23:22 |
| + gourd753 (~gourdcapt@user/gourd753) | 23:28 | |
| gourd753 | I got a MNT Reform Keyboard v4 today. Which version of OpenRGB do I use with it for Debian 12 X86-64? I'm guessing given neither the stable nor experimental versions work with it, I need some kind of vendor fork. :( | 23:29 |
| minute | gourd753: theoretically this plugin is needed, but i see i didn't push the version for the v4 kbd yet, sorry for that! it needs a bigger number of columns set https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-openrgb | 23:31 |
| minute | gourd753: i'll supply that on monday! | 23:31 |
| gourd753 | Gotcha. The keyboard itself is... going to need to get some getting used to for me. I keep mistyping everything. | 23:32 |
| minute | gourd753: oh, i wonder why? | 23:33 |
| gourd753 | The spacing/key size feels... off or something? I think it's them being tighter packed than most desktop keyboards I'm used to. | 23:34 |
| gourd753 | I tend to use reproduction IBM Model M keyboards usually. | 23:34 |
| gourd753 | (on desktop) | 23:34 |
| minute | ahh ok | 23:34 |
| minute | it is compact | 23:34 |
| minute | coming from the model M must be quite the difference indeed | 23:35 |
| gourd753 | Yeah, I didn't think about that when I ordered it. | 23:35 |
| gourd753 | also may be in the funny situation of my RK3588 arriving prior to the Pocket Reform to put it in, but that's my own fault for ordering a Pocket Reform really late and nobody here's fault due to the screen thing | 23:35 |
| minute | ahh | 23:36 |
| minute | that should be resolved very soon hopefully | 23:36 |
| minute | apparently we'll get the next shipment (of several) of displays on monday | 23:36 |
| gourd753 | ACTION crosses fingers. | 23:36 |
| gourd753 | Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll try out the OpenRGB thing once I get some feet for the keyboard so I can use it comfortably at my desk. | 23:37 |
| minute | alright | 23:37 |
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| + jacobk (~quassel@47-186-105-237.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 23:41 | |
| minute | xha: i just merged the above so tomorrow you can just apt update and apt upgrade again on the rk3588 pocket and hopefully ethernet will spring to life | 23:46 |
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