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| ryukazou | I tried only using cellular network for a week, I think is quite feasible if you have unlimited cellular plan. | 00:32 |
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| minute | ryukazou: neat | 00:34 |
| CandidCadaver | I sort of have, for 1 Euro - 100MB, unlimited throttled (8-16KiB/s) thereafter | 00:37 |
| CandidCadaver | fun to adapt to. helps a ton to have a server somewhere, e.g. to park downloads that will take the night, or to run gui apps & vnc to that at 64 colors 1fps | 00:40 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@47-186-105-237.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 00:58 | |
| gsora | hows' the battery life? | 01:03 |
| ryukazou | Not too bad, I got around two hours on imx8mp | 01:17 |
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| henesy | long time no reform | 07:24 |
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| minute | henesy: oh? | 09:51 |
| henesy | sorry i meant to send a howdy howdy after that | 09:59 |
| henesy | ya know like long time no see | 09:59 |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-52-34.bbcust.telenor.se) | 09:59 | |
| henesy | gonna see if i can get moonlight to run | 09:59 |
| henesy | and moonlight-qt builds and runs! input and full screen rendering is a bit choppy but it's usable | 10:22 |
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| minute | henesy: on which processor? | 11:18 |
| ch | got a lot of feedback on the fw update parts from hughsie, hope i can continue hacking on it this week | 11:35 |
| minute | ch: awesome! | 11:54 |
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| grimmware | :O my rcore has been shipped | 12:25 |
| josch | \o/ | 12:34 |
| gsora | fingers crossed reform2's are next! | 12:38 |
| josch | gsora: motherboard 2.6 is still in the process of being designed | 12:39 |
| gsora | ah, there's a new revision of the reform2 board? | 12:41 |
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| josch | gsora: https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/113334109867939758 | 12:44 |
| gsora | "replace barrel jack with usb-c pd" < great news! | 12:46 |
| gsora | completely missed that toot, thanks josch | 12:46 |
| + colinsane (~colinunin@97-113-153-47.tukw.qwest.net) | 12:47 | |
| gsora | happy to wait a little longer, looks like a huge improvement | 12:47 |
| josch | yes, rather looks like a version 3.0 than just a 2.6 :) | 12:48 |
| gsora | indeed | 12:49 |
| gsora | great to see some reform next changes being brough over to reform2 | 12:49 |
| gsora | oooh 4 pcie lanes for the m.2 port means blazing fast ssd speeds as well | 12:50 |
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| grimmware | I am not particularly surprised at how polarizing usb-c pd is | 14:55 |
| grimmware | I get that people don't like the perceived complexity of it but the idea that you can put a couple of chips onboard and iterate on the firmware in order to not ship dedicated power supplies and also lean on complexity that an entire industry is turning into a core competency (even if it is a bit of a mess) makes a lot of sense to me | 15:02 |
| grimmware | I don't understand the love for barrel jacks in this context (as in like, I think there are legitimate reasons that I'm missing) | 15:04 |
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| gustav28 | minute: if I order a mnt reform today will I get the updated motherboard? | 15:07 |
| ch | grimmware: i cant anwer about the love for barrel jacks, but there is a lot of complexity and the firmware alone is a significant investment. I'm not saying its not worth it (for convenience, environment, etc), but it certainly raises the bar. | 15:09 |
| sknebel | grimmware: I mean, for people who are not already on the USB-C train its "why are you replacing what works and make me buy new PSUs", that it works from random power sources in the right voltage range is kinda neat, ... | 15:10 |
| ch | I'm somewhat hoping that we can show a full usb-c/pd implementation and maybe other people can then reuse it | 15:10 |
| sknebel | ch: the new motherboard design uses a chip that handles it transparently, no newly developed firmware | 15:10 |
| ch | sknebel: for reform yes, but for pocket reform you need the firmware | 15:11 |
| sknebel | sure, but that was the context of the discussion I thought | 15:11 |
| ch | dunno if "offload to chip" can also work for future things incl. next | 15:11 |
| ch | i was mostly replying to the "perceived complexity" point | 15:11 |
| ch | (and iterating on fw) | 15:12 |
| grimmware | yeah, I suppose I could comment on what I meant there because it was pretty ambiguous. When I say "perceived complexity" I mean that effectively that complexity only really needs to be solved once as a communal effort (certainly for the pocket example) and that it actually lowers the complexity at the point of the user for the majority of use cases because they don't have to keep track of charger-per-device | 15:16 |
| grimmware | like, I get that there are plenty of other nuances to it | 15:16 |
| grimmware | and whatever I say is ultimately going to be a projection of my own situation and viewpoint to some degree | 15:17 |
| grimmware | I've been using the Adafruit HUSB328 which is a pd "dummy" adapter to add power delivery for old devices where the power supply is missing | 15:19 |
| grimmware | being able to offload all of that to a chip is fantastic (and super cheap) | 15:19 |
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| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 18:03 | |
| gsora | just read the latest crowdsupply report, wow those display providers are awful | 18:05 |
| * jacobk_ -> jacobk | 18:09 | |
| ryukazou | https://ronboelectronics.en.made-in-china.com/product/yCbmUjsoSGhX/China-Original-Jdi-Lt070me05000-7-1200X1920-Mipi-31pin-450CD-M2-New-Tablet-LCD-Display.html?pv_id=1iantfumg9df&faw_id=1iantg7e9344 | 18:12 |
| ryukazou | Does this supplier able to do sampling for you? | 18:12 |
| grimmware | My display has ghosting issues but I'm probably going to hold off raising a ticket about it once all the dust has settled :P | 18:14 |
| grimmware | oh fucking hell my rcore is supposed to arrive on Thursday! | 18:15 |
| grimmware | I'll believe that when I see it, I'm sure they'll need to add an extra few days for the privilege of getting fucked in the wallet for brexit. | 18:16 |
| mhoye | grimmware: Have you tried the slideshow trick | 18:49 |
| mhoye | grimmware: basically "make a full screen slideshow of white, black, #F00, #0F0, #00F, black", put on 2-seconds-per-slide autoplay and let it run for an hour. | 18:51 |
| mhoye | I've deghosted lcds with that trick dozens of times in my life, works a treat. They don't burn in the way cheap CRTs used to, you've just gotta unstick them. | 18:52 |
| grimmware | mhoye: would you expect that to work on a display I've already been normally using since the beginning of August? | 18:54 |
| mhoye | Could, yeah. I mean, doesn't cost much to try. | 18:55 |
| grimmware | no that's very tru | 18:55 |
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| minute | gustav28: yes @ updated MB | 19:48 |
| jfred | grimmware: I like barrel jacks (esp. with the Reform's onboard buck/boost converters) because they're compatible with damn near anything. Directly off a solar panel? Bike generator? No problem. (USB-PD is also nice though, especially if you can dock the device with a single cable) | 19:49 |
| grimmware | jfred: ah yeah I see what you mean | 19:50 |
| minute | ch: reform next has a very similar architecture to pocket, so will greatly benefit on your and other's pd firmware work | 19:50 |
| jfred | Of course, the nice thing about the Reform being OSHW is that the older revisions can still live on if someone wants to get one fabbed individually :) | 19:51 |
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| jfred | (Hm, I *think* my portable solar panel might have a USB-PD output. Gotta check that and see if it can charge my Pocket if so) | 19:54 |
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| gustav28 | minute: thanks! unrelated q: what do you think about adding a "mac mode" to keyboard4-fw (switch on/off from circle menu) in which ALT and SUPER are swapped? (one could also swap CTRL and SUPER I suppose) | 20:27 |
| gustav28 | I think I will do it anyway as I'm currently on macOS, but what are your thoughts on a MR? | 20:32 |
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| gustav28 | josch: you write on mastodon that the external usb power is problematic with your dvd drive, do you think an unpowered usb hub with a keyboard, mouse and microphone would be too much for one usb port? | 21:16 |
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| hramrach | grimmware: USB PD is not something that just works, at least not with the Pocket. Just the other day we had somebody come here saying that their Pocket discharges when powered on and connected the their PSU. Sadly they won't tell what PSU they have, so we don't know if the problem is trying to run the Pocker off a 30W phone charger or if it's a firmware bug. And for me the firmware sometimes | 22:41 |
| hramrach | gets stuck in a PD negotiation loop and stops charging. Updated to development snapshot that has debug prins but did not see the problem with the new firmware so far. | 22:41 |
| hramrach | There are many bad PD implementations floating around, eg. Nintendo Switch is known to implement PD incorrectly. With the variety of devices aound surely there are many more that are subtly broken in some way. | 22:43 |
| hramrach | Compared to that I can tell if a plain PSU is giving power or not with multimeter. I may not be able to fix a switching PSU but I can tell if it works. | 22:43 |
| hramrach | it is nice to be able to power all devices with one PSU .. when it works | 22:44 |
| hramrach | We are not quite there yet | 22:44 |
| hramrach | also if you happen to have PSUs that give 12 or 20V because of other uses that cannot be reasonably expected to work with USB PD then USB PD is not that appealing | 22:46 |
| grimmware | hramrach: I didn't say that it did "just work" - I've been testing out iterative sysctl firmware releases on the pocket to get improvements in charger capacity! I had to order a ugreen specifically before these updates happened | 22:47 |
| grimmware | Absolutely take your point on the comparative advantages of straight up DC though, I suppose I'm being a little optimistic about the long term view of this community getting it right | 22:49 |
| + ehenter (~ehenter@212-149-229-243.bb.dnainternet.fi) | 22:51 | |
| hramrach | It will likely work with the chip. I got a PD trigger board for the full size Reform and it just works. Did not test long term stability yet but I don't expect any surprises there - I did not find any particularly bad customer reviews of the board. | 22:54 |
| minute | hramrach: happen to know what the chip is on that trigger board? or what's the board? just curious | 23:24 |
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| sigrid | grimmware: congrats on rcore. when did you order it? | 23:37 |
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