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| josch | when oshw projects collaborate there can only be winners, no? | 00:01 |
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| josch | i also love the colab of MNT with Kolibri -- those earrings will go onto my next MNT shopping list | 00:02 |
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| ch | minute: for rcore, freeing up the m2 slot from the wifi card will come later, right? | 00:15 |
| midfavila | minute no i haven't tried anything yet | 00:15 |
| midfavila | i'm still paying off my cross-canada move lel | 00:15 |
| - CandidCadaver (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~aloo_shu@85.51.18.254) | 00:16 | |
| midfavila | i want to get the trackball in the future though | 00:16 |
| midfavila | the one based off the old kensingtons. | 00:16 |
| midfavila | the adept | 00:17 |
| + CandidCadaver (~aloo_shu@85.51.18.254) | 00:25 | |
| ch | josch: re #1085169 i'm guessing firedecor should emit an = dependency on libwf-config1, or it should not check the version number | 00:28 |
| ch | (sorry cant be bothered to use `bts` to reply atm) | 00:28 |
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| minute | ch: yes @ rcore wifi | 00:39 |
| minute | josch: yay @ earrings | 00:40 |
| josch | minute: any news about the mnt berlin meet-up that was planned for the end of october? | 00:52 |
| minute | josch: not going to happen looks like | 00:53 |
| minute | maybe it's better to do it in spring | 00:53 |
| josch | ah okay :) | 00:53 |
| ch | my (pocket-)sysctl was "hanging", serial showed weird stuff like this: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/345072be noticed this because the kernel driver was reporting battery while it was plugged in. strange | 00:56 |
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| ch | minute: your idea was to use bcdDevice for the version? i think thats an uint16, so a bit... short :) | 01:02 |
| minute | ch: hmm not my original idea, it was just like that in the example code... not sure what is best/common yet. can one use the serial string for it? | 01:13 |
| ch | ah. serial is filled from the rp2040 serial by default, i think i'd like to keep that. my best idea is to add a command to the reset interface. seems like most devices do something like tht | 01:14 |
| ch | that* | 01:14 |
| minute | ah | 01:21 |
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| grimmware | minute: was just hanging out with a friend who knows you who lives in Berlin, if you do something in Spring I might be able to make it over :) | 01:47 |
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| sts-q | If i would like to turn wifi on and off with swayidle like it does turn on and off the screen, where should i go and investigate? | 10:10 |
| sts-q | swayidle/swaymsg/output/on/off is working and turn wifi on/off via commandline is working, too. | 10:10 |
| sts-q | But how to combine both? | 10:10 |
| sts-q | Not like this?! | 10:10 |
| sts-q | exec swayidle -w timeout 1800 'swaymsg "output * power off"; sudo ip link set dev "wpl1s0" down ' | 10:10 |
| sts-q | hmm | 10:10 |
| sts-q | https://codeberg.org/sts-q/mnt-reform-dotfiles/src/branch/main/dotfiles/sway-config#L54 | 10:10 |
| sts-q | https://codeberg.org/sts-q/mnt-reform-dotfiles/src/branch/main/dotfiles/mnt-wifi#L8 | 10:10 |
| ch | minute: re versions: my info rgd fwupd support was incomplete; it also supports "number" (int) and "plain" (string). for "plain" i dont know how it determines which version is higher. let me know if you think "number" would fit better | 10:14 |
| minute | sts-q: you could make a bash script with everything you need in it and use swayidle to call that. sudo can only work if you don't need to enter a password for that though | 10:15 |
| minute | ch: 8 digit number sounds good! | 10:15 |
| ch | minute: i see in the sysctl source there's a display change planned. i guess there is no way of detecting this as startup. if so, then i think the fw should advertise that as part of bcdDevice so it can be in the fwupd hw guid (and thus you can have a different firmware) | 10:16 |
| ch | minute: cool, i'll see about number then | 10:16 |
| minute | ch: well spotted. devices with the different display will have to have a different sysctl firmware lineage yep | 10:17 |
| ch | ok, then we need to turn on support for different revisions and such. will check it out | 10:17 |
| sts-q | But the wifi-on/off command requires sudo-rights, doesnt it? | 10:19 |
| sts-q | How do i procide these rights to swayidle? | 10:19 |
| sts-q | s/procide/provide/ | 10:19 |
| * jn_ -> jn | 10:20 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 10:26 | |
| amospalla | sts-q: configure sudo to allow the user to run the specified command without requiring a password. | 10:27 |
| amospalla | search for 'sudoers.d password-less command' or similar | 10:28 |
| + erle (~erle@user/erle) | 10:28 | |
| sts-q | amospalla: thank you! | 10:39 |
| josch | sts-q: are you by any chance using NetworkManager to manage your wifi? | 10:52 |
| josch | sts-q: in case you do, you already can enable and disable your wifi (or even join and leave wifi networks) without sudo. You can run "nmcli radio wifi off" and "nmcli radio wifi on" without superuser privileges. | 10:53 |
| - cow321 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 244 seconds) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837) | 12:19 | |
| sts-q | josch: Thank you it works! | 12:21 |
| sts-q | https://codeberg.org/sts-q/mnt-reform-dotfiles/commit/b2fe5cc6c4b86d95aa7d0db82e0e13af11e2baef | 12:21 |
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| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-52-243.bbcust.telenor.se) | 13:02 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 13:09 | |
| * Guest3952 -> mjw | 13:12 | |
| ryukazou | Anyone tried install an intel ax210 or be200 to pocket reform m.2 b key slot via m.2 e key to b key adapter? | 13:19 |
| minute | ryukazou: intel wifi won't work in wwan slot | 13:43 |
| minute | ryukazou: because they need pcie afaik | 13:43 |
| gsora | i don't recall asking this question here, sorry if i'm repeating myself | 13:48 |
| gsora | i have a mt7922a22m wifi card, do i have to shop for another one or it should work in reform2? | 13:48 |
| ryukazou | minute: so beside M27612-BU3, there isn’t much option for wifi card. | 13:55 |
| minute | ryukazou: correct | 14:10 |
| minute | gsora: in reform2 with which processor? and what form factor/interface is the card? | 14:10 |
| + cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837) | 14:27 | |
| gsora | minute: rcore, interface seems... the standard wifi card interface? | 14:27 |
| gsora | i can snap you a photo | 14:27 |
| gsora | here https://files.catbox.moe/u6bg9e.jpg | 14:30 |
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| + nsc (~nicolas@i5C74DEAE.versanet.de) | 14:47 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@173.16.175.75) | 15:22 | |
| minute | gsora: that's mpcie right? then it should work... if it uses pcie | 15:56 |
| gsora | seems like mpcie yeah | 16:02 |
| gsora | considering the speed at which this chipset should run, running through usb might be a huge bottleneck | 16:04 |
| gsora | bluetooth might be through usb | 16:04 |
| minute | gsora: there are no usb signals on that port on the current motherboard | 16:08 |
| gsora | yeah i figured, no big deal | 16:08 |
| gsora | i might be running openbsd on it anyway, which doesn't support bluetooth | 16:08 |
| minute | mmm openbsd | 16:10 |
| gsora | i know there might be some quirks here and there, but it'll be fun! it's an hacking laptop anyway | 16:11 |
| minute | absolutely | 16:11 |
| gsora | if it ends up being too difficult i'll fall back on alpine, and maybe package tools etc | 16:12 |
| mhoye | I am genuinely angry that the systemd people decided to kill schroot | 16:15 |
| gsora | isn't that called systemd-nspawn now? :^) | 16:20 |
| josch | mhoye: how did the systemd people kill schroot? | 16:33 |
| grimmware | yeah that looks like it's still a package | 17:12 |
| josch | it is, but it's slowly dying | 17:12 |
| josch | and i don't think it's because of systemd | 17:12 |
| grimmware | no, I think that chroots in general are falling out of favor because namespaces are more flexible | 17:13 |
| josch | well... they also use chroot | 17:14 |
| josch | but inside a user namespace | 17:14 |
| josch | the problem with schroot is, that it's a very large suid binary | 17:14 |
| grimmware | oof | 17:15 |
| josch | it was useful at its time | 17:15 |
| josch | back then there were no user namespaces, so it was useful to have a suid root binary which allowed you to do some things for which you ordinarily would need to be the superuser | 17:16 |
| + spew (~spew@155.133.15.29) | 17:16 | |
| grimmware | legit, times change | 17:22 |
| mhoye | It's failed for me refusing to run shared libraries for a long time now. | 17:23 |
| josch | i do not think the issue is systemd though | 17:23 |
| mhoye | what I used to use it for - and could use it for, for a long time! - was running different distros simultaneously. | 17:24 |
| josch | i think the main thing that killed it was, that it wasn't maintained much anymore -- have a look at the git commit history in the past 10 years | 17:24 |
| josch | mhoye: you might want to evaluate other options to do that like podman, systemd-nspawn, plain unshare, mmdebstrap or even docker | 17:25 |
| gsora | mhoye: have you tried distrobox? | 17:25 |
| mhoye | I can do all this in VMs or whatever, sure. What I had going for a while was a system where you could just switch distros by switching VTs. | 17:26 |
| gsora | distrobox does that! but in podman i think | 17:26 |
| josch | i think cubes OS is offering something similar | 17:27 |
| mhoye | c-a-f3, Ubuntu+gnome, c-a-f4, Fedora+KDE, easy as pie. | 17:27 |
| mhoye | I'll take a look at cubes and podman, thanks. | 17:27 |
| grimmware | systemd-nspawn is pretty good for persistent multi-distro but it requires learning how to use systemd-nspawn | 17:27 |
| josch | mhoye: schroot still works fine in debian (many people use it as the backend for sbuild) but its maintenance is on life-support i'd say | 17:28 |
| josch | luckily, there are many alternatives to schroot these days | 17:28 |
| grimmware | distrobox looks pretty neat. I'm a fan of podman because I've managed to use it at work to do some really gnarly things in an effort to replace docker with something that uses unprivileged user namespaces without causing disk space problems | 17:29 |
| - spew (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~spew@155.133.15.29) | 17:29 | |
| grimmware | I did a talk about it at 44con last month, I'll share the video when it's uploaded if anyone's interested | 17:29 |
| gsora | i tried podman a couple years ago, there was no clear docker-compose support though | 17:30 |
| gsora | do you know if there's something like that for podman as well now? | 17:30 |
| grimmware | It basically worked in my use cases | 17:30 |
| gsora | as for distrobox, it works great when paired with a stateless/read-only distro | 17:30 |
| + spew (~spew@201.141.99.170) | 17:31 | |
| grimmware | if you're doing unprivileged you can expect the networks to not really work how you'd expect because you don't have the privileges to bridge the host network namespace | 17:31 |
| grimmware | it works fine if you're just doing a single container because it can use slirp4netns to just bind on the listening ports of the host and NAT all the traffic for you but with a network it doesn't know to preemptively bind on the ports in the host namespace | 17:32 |
| gsora | i got out of that habit a long ago! :D | 17:32 |
| gsora | i should play with it again | 17:32 |
| gsora | i liked that it generates systemd units | 17:32 |
| grimmware | it's definitely worth a look because it's developed way better features than docker IMO | 17:33 |
| grimmware | but you don't really want to use it on an older non-redhat based LTS because if you have any bugs in 3.x.x they don't give a shit and will tell you as much | 17:33 |
| grimmware | ended up having to do a bunch of bugfix backporting, my main regret about the project was that I didn't just get on and backport podman 4 | 17:34 |
| grimmware | gsora: anyway if you run into any issues hit me up cos I know way more about it than I ever wanted to hahah | 17:34 |
| gsora | for sure! thank you | 17:34 |
| gsora | wondering if portainer supports it huh | 17:34 |
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| josch | SavagePeanut: since you wondered whether off-topic discussions here are fine or not ^ :) | 17:36 |
| gsora | oof, sorry! | 17:37 |
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| ch | hughsie wrote a lot of code to fix fwupd 2.0.x, and its like 95% there <3 | 18:19 |
| josch | ch: fix in what way? | 18:22 |
| ch | josch: the uf2 plugin in fwupd 2.0 is plainly broken | 18:22 |
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| minute | sorry, due to server migration i missed anything in this channel between 17:36 and 18:00 | 18:44 |
| ch | josch: https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/7912 | 18:45 |
| josch | ch: wow, nice! | 18:55 |
| ch | indeed | 18:55 |
| josch | minute: you didn't miss anything crucial :) | 18:57 |
| minute | ok ^^ | 18:57 |
| ch | yeah | 18:58 |
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| jfred | Man, now I'm tempted to use the rk3588 module for my pocket reform instead of my big reform, but I also just installed a wwan card in the pocket and I like having that option | 19:58 |
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| hramrach | mhoye. midfavila don't, the bearing construction ploopy uses has been shown to be inferior because it rolls only in one way (see forums). Let it serve as a warning that open does not always result in good. Get one if you are into scentific experiment reproducibility :) | 21:11 |
| minute | hramrach: oh, you have one? and can you point me to an interesting forum link in that regard? | 21:28 |
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| mhoye | I'd like to see that too. I've got one of the ball-only ones here and don't see that problem. | 22:04 |
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| midfavila | hramrach is that on all of them? | 23:27 |
| midfavila | also fwiw there are designs on the market of professional trackballs, at least from last century, that use a similar design | 23:27 |
| midfavila | at least if you're saying what i think you're saying | 23:27 |
| midfavila | the kensington from the 90s i had used little wheels that sat on axles and then the ball sat on those. worked great ngl | 23:28 |
| midfavila | https://www.gbryant.co.uk/posts/2021-02-15_ploopy-trackball/post.html | 23:30 |
| midfavila | this article does discuss some mods for it to address concerns | 23:30 |
| midfavila | oh yeah no those are exactly what my old kensington used | 23:34 |
| midfavila | the rollers | 23:34 |
| midfavila | lmao those are fine dude | 23:34 |
| midfavila | i mean i guess if you can't stand the noise from it then sure but i've always preferred a more tactical experience | 23:36 |
| mhoye | Not gonna lie, what I really want is one of those ridiculous bowling ball trackpads from arcade tables of the 80s and 90s | 23:53 |
| midfavila | go for itttt | 23:56 |
| Twodisbetter | The Kensington trackballs are pretty big, not bowling ball big, but baseball sized. | 23:56 |
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