2024-10-09.log

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joschminute: have fun: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/6202/artifacts/browse00:18
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minutejosch: thx, will test it out in the morrow!00:20
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minutetesting new system image for rk3588 reform11:54
minuteuboot now says: Model: MNT Reform 2 with RCORE RK3588 Module11:54
minutedisplay works, i see "extending inode table"11:55
minute"Starting MNT Reform Setup Wizard..."11:55
minuteworks11:55
josch\o/11:55
joschbut this is via the default boot.scr, no?11:55
minuteso all of that stuff works without special kernel parameters11:55
joschwow11:55
minuteyes. we might run into issues with pcie but lets see, i'll try to mount nvme and use pcie wifi11:56
joschthe reform-check tool has a function that allows making sure that all kernel parameters are as expected, can you give me the contents of your /proc/cmdline so that i can put it into the next reform-tools version?11:56
minute> Wi-Fi Networks Available11:57
minuteok, pcie wifi (ath9k) works without any kernel parameter tweaks11:57
minuteaudio (speaker) works ootb, battery status is there12:00
joschhrm... maybe you are accidentally testing your old thinkpad or something? everything works out of the box... makes me be a bit worried :D12:01
minutejosch: haha no :D but i guess i took my time to prepare rk3588...12:01
minutei mean, to prepare reform for it :D12:02
joschthings are becoming real mature! \o/12:02
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minutesttest test12:03
minutestcat /proc/cmdline12:03
minutest"ro no_console_suspend cryptomgr.notests loglevel=3    console=tty1"12:03
joschnice, thank you!12:03
joschno parameter for serial like console=ttyAML0,115200 needed?12:04
minutebut we might still need to tweak it for nvme, lets see12:04
minutejosch: well, the only thing right now on serial is "Starting kernel ..."12:04
joschah :)12:05
minutei need to see if serial debugging can be relatively easily be enabled in uboot12:05
ehmrywhere is the reference kernel config for the pocket reform?12:06
joschehmry: in your /boot12:06
joschehmry: otherwise, it's the default Debian config plus this: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/blob/main/linux/config?ref_type=heads12:07
ehmryjosch: thanks12:08
minuteso far nvme works without any kernel parameter tweaks...12:08
gsorayou seem almost sad it's working out of the box :P12:24
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joschgsora: i think my time spent on making reform platforms usable has exponentially decreased. For imx8mq I was dumping a *lot* of time on it to make everything work (debian integration, debian kernel etc)...12:31
gsorai can only imagine!12:37
gsorathanks for the work you folks do12:38
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minutei wrote a little guide while writing down what i did to "reconnect" my old system with a newly flashed system image for rk3588: https://community.mnt.re/t/howto-upgrade-an-existing-mnt-reform-system-on-encrypted-nvme-for-rk3588/263012:45
minutejosch: any critiques?12:45
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joschminute: the "mount /boot" might fail depending on what the user had in their /etc/fstab before12:57
joschbecause emmc naming differs depending on the platform12:57
minutejosch: ah that's right12:57
joschor maybe /etc/fstab points to the sd-card which is still mounted outside the chroot12:57
joschor even if it points to the emmc of the rk3588, is the emmc already partitioned?12:57
minutejosch: ah, so one needs to unmount /boot before12:57
minutejosch: the assumption is that we want the chroot to regenerate /boot on the sd card12:58
joschreform-boot-config will set up /etc/fstab accordingly and re-run update-initramfs12:59
joschreform-boot-config knows about the sd-card and emmc namings from the /usr/share/reform-tools/machines/*.conf fies12:59
joschalso, replace  linux-image-arm64 with linux-image-mnt-reform-arm6413:00
joschthe former is a transitional package that we are trying to get rid of13:00
joschfor example, the current system image should not install it anymore -- was it installed for you?13:01
joschminute: for migration to a311d, i think these are the most up-to-date steps: https://community.mnt.re/t/migration-from-i-mx8mplus-to-a311d/2317/2013:03
joschalso, if you want to re-use /boot from the sd-card, the assumption is also, that the system you are trying to migrate has the very latest package versions installed, so maybe your instructions should have a "run apt full-upgrade on your old system" in the beginning13:04
minutejosch: ah, full-upgrade can take a loooong time :D13:04
joschat least the kernel has to be up-to-date13:06
minutejosch: yeah, aha i wasn't sure about the kernel package name, will fix that now13:06
joschbecause with your current instructions, you are re-using the kernel and initramfs from a fresh system image to boot into an existing system which might have different versions installed13:06
minutejosch: hmm that's why i have the kernel upgrade instruction there13:07
joschminute: that will work *if* the kernel on the existing system was older than the one in the repo, yes13:07
joschminute: but that instruction will do nothing if the system was already up-to-date13:07
minutejosch: oh interesting13:08
joschand in that case, you are still re-using the initramfs from the system image13:08
minutejosch: what if i would put --reinstall ?13:08
minuteah13:08
minuteso i need to add update-initramfs -u?13:08
joschwhich might be a bad idea if the user has installed packages taht influence what their initramfs does via hooks13:08
joschupdate-initramfs is what is run by reform-boot-config already13:08
minuteyeah i would need to re-read reform-boot-config again to see what that does13:09
joschif you want to use /boot of the sd-card, just to make sure that whatever the vanilla system image put in, maybe start with first unmounting /boot on the outside and then mkfs.ext4 on it, to get a clean slate13:09
minuteso i can redo the process and try to use reform-boot-config13:09
joschand then mount it in the chroot and populate it with apt install --reinstall 13:09
minutejosch: ah, is that necessary?13:10
minutewell, i can try that now13:10
joschand the thing you want to reinstall is not linux-image-mnt-reform-arm64 (that's just a meta package) but linux-image-$(uname -r)13:10
minutehmm13:11
minutei see13:11
minuteupdate-initramfs -u wouldn't work?13:11
joschit might13:11
joschit depends on the modifications that the user has done to their old system13:11
joschwith most things vanilla and everything upgraded to the latest version, update-initramfs -u is the only thing you should need13:12
minuteok cool13:12
minutei'll try that now be re-imaging the sd card and redoing that process13:12
joschgood luck!13:12
joschi'll probably be afk until 17:30 though13:13
minuteno problem13:13
joschi hope evreything works out!13:13
joschthe forum thread i linked has a lot of info in it13:13
minuteyeah, if someone used reform-setup-encrypted-nvme they might have a different partition setup than me13:14
minutei have no partitions on the nvme13:14
minuteand no lvm13:14
minute(because i don't know why i would need those)13:14
minuteso i probably should take the vgchange stuff from the other guide or use reform-boot-config...13:14
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joschminute: then where do you have your swap if not on nvme?13:19
minutejosch: /swapfile13:20
joschah i see13:20
joschi still have to get used to /etc/fstab supporting mounting a swap file instead of a swap partition :D13:21
joschabout lvm: the idea was to replicate what debian-installer does13:22
joschso that those coming from vanilla debian find a partition setup that mimics what they were used to13:22
joschminute: about reform-boot-config: the --help output should tell you everything you need. "should", so if something is missing it should be added to the --help output (which is also used to generate the man page)13:24
joschso you can also run man reform-boot-config13:24
minutejosch: ok, will try that13:46
+ ZylonMaster (~hjcs@syn-098-015-248-249.res.spectrum.com)14:03
minutejosch: i now found in that thread that you made a wiki page https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/wikis/Migration14:04
ZylonMasterI wonder whats going on with crowdsupply, dates keep changing a lot. Nov29th is shipping date now14:05
ZylonMasterI am dying to try out this computer14:05
ZylonMaster;)14:05
minuteZylonMaster: those dates are random, mouser is just trying to guess how long we'll need to resupply14:06
minutetoday we're sending out a batch of 18 devices14:06
ZylonMasterah14:06
ZylonMasterhave all not hyper's been sent14:06
ZylonMastermine hasnt i know14:06
ZylonMasterbut any others14:06
ZylonMasterjust was askin14:06
minutethis batch is non-hypers only, so maybe yours is one of them...14:10
ZylonMasterah ok14:10
ZylonMasterguess ill see14:11
ZylonMasterwonder how many non hypers left14:11
ZylonMasterto ship14:11
minutethis shipment has 2x purple/white, 7x black/white, 9x black/red14:16
minutenext shipment has lots of hyper purple/white14:16
ZylonMasterah14:16
ZylonMasteroh14:16
ZylonMastercool14:16
ZylonMasterso you think that mine must be on the first because its last nonm hyper14:16
ZylonMastergot it14:16
minuteno, there'll be more non hypers to ship14:17
minuteso it's a bit of a lottery...14:17
ZylonMasteroh i wondered how many14:17
ZylonMastertho14:17
ZylonMasterif that true14:17
ZylonMasteryeah it probably is a bit of a lottery14:17
ZylonMasterbut anywho, I shouldnt take the dates to heart just in case is what you meant14:22
ZylonMasterIll keep that in mind14:22
minuteyeah14:23
ZylonMasteri did wonder how many nore non hypers you had, to guess how much time left in case this batch doenst have mine tho14:26
ZylonMasteryou do sometimes post when you ship them on mastodon after all14:27
minuteyes14:27
blueriseminute: haha, just saw the Qualcomm mention :D14:33
bluerisere14:33
ZylonMasterare qualcomm as bad as allwinner?14:34
ZylonMasteri hear allwinner does gpl violations a lot14:35
ryukazouI don’t think so14:43
ZylonMasterthats good14:44
ryukazouAllwinner also has backdoor in their system firmware14:45
minutebluerise: wb14:52
gsoraryukazou: do you have a reference to that?14:57
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ryukazougsora: https://www.ithome.com.tw/news/10592115:15
ryukazouhttps://blog.csdn.net/m0_61737429/article/details/12978702515:16
grimmwarehttps://www.theregister.com/2016/05/09/allwinners_allloser_custom_kernel_has_a_nasty_root_backdoor/15:18
gsoraoh, i completely forgot about that 15:24
blueriseQC is just a mess of FW complexity and no docs15:34
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gsoranew ones as well?15:37
blueriseat least the laptops, yes15:40
bluerisenot sure if there are any other15:40
blueriseLinux works well I'd say, but it's just a nightmare of complexity15:40
blueriseI was told it might get better at some point15:41
gsorafingerscrossed for that15:45
gsoradoes qualcomm sells to small companies like mntre?15:46
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minutegsora: no but we can buy qcs6490 via thundercomm16:09
gsorawondering if it's competitive with rk3588 performance wise16:11
gsoracpu-wise might be faster now that i'm looking into it, but adreno gpu drivers might be a hassle to deal with?16:18
gsoraalso max 16gb ram16:18
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minutegsora: why, freedreno should be good?17:27
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gsoranever had experience with it -- didn't mean to imply it wasn't good, only that it may be an hassle to manage due to the fact that's a qualcomm component17:40
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chmy reform (with my fw branch) charges ok on the lg ultrafine, but i see a lot of PD traffic that maybe shouldnt be there18:01
chwill take a closer look later this week18:01
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minutech: interesting, thanks18:18
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chjust so i get the right cable this time, the reform hdmi is *micro*, right?18:20
minutech: yes18:30
gustav28Mnt & collaborators: I'm interested in how the patching of the kernel for rk3588 works in practice, where do you find/know which patches to pick? I looked at the collobara git and their linux repo has tons of changes in the rk3588 branch. I guess I'm asking what the rough workflow is like for you (I understand that experience must be key here)18:46
minutegustav28: i think we just pick all of them that are not yet included in the respective mainline kernel release19:04
minutegustav28: but some patches are not from collabora, for example DSI2 driver and my changes to enable secondary hdmi19:04
gustav28minute: I see! where do you find that selection for e.g. 6.11? a specific subdir (drivers/?) or tag or just plowing through the diff? where to look basically :)19:12
gustav28and the DSI2 driver you know you want because of some chip that you use in the reform that requires a driver fix, or something like that?19:13
gustav28oh, maybe the collabora git is old - are you taking latest from them and doing a git diff with the latest official kernel release? I could see that resulting in a smaller patchset than om collabora web interface19:30
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joschgustav28: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/tree/main/linux/patches6.11/rk3588-mnt-reform219:32
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minutegustav28: dsi is a requirement to drive the display of e.g. the pocket reform. the collabora and mainline linuxes don't have a driver for the dsi2 ip in the rk3588. i know that the IP exists because of emails dug up from arm kernel mailing list (where the phy part of the driver was submitted). i then got in touch with the author and asked for the other half which he kindly pointed me to. also19:37
minutethe IP is mentioned in the rk3588 reference manual.19:37
hramrach0005-BROKEN-arm64-dts-rockchip-rk3588-evb1-add-PCIe2-WLAN.patch :)19:40
minutehramrach: yeah that's useless19:41
minutehramrach: all those dts patches could be deleted in our case19:41
minutehramrach: because we're not rockchip evb1...19:42
gustav28josch: I've looked at them, but I'm curious how you get to that relatively small patch set in the first place :)19:42
joschgustav28: i just run "git format-patch" in the collabora git19:42
joscha few are missing because they got applied mainline19:43
gustav28and you spot that manually?19:43
hramrachif you don't the patch does not apply19:43
gustav28ah ok19:44
joschexactly19:44
joschand patch helpfully tells you that the patch can be reverse applied in that case :)19:44
gustav28minute: thx for that, it's a bit of digging then :)19:44
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hramrachminute: could you add the URL of the e-mail thread where it's picked from to the description of these exotic patches? I think it's useful information19:46
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gustav28josch: thx for explaining!19:50
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hramrach4001-mnt-rk3588-dual-hdmi-vop2-pll.patch has no description nor authorship information, and is missing in the 6.10 patchset so it's probably original19:53
gustav28minute: evb1 = evaluation board 1?19:53
minutehramrach: dual hdmi patches are written by me yes19:55
gustav28ok, next step for me is to read up on device tree I think19:55
minutehramrach: this is the dsi phy patch announcing a dsi2 driver patch that wasn't sent yet (afaik) http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2024-May/926245.html19:56
minutehramrach: but i got it from heiko directly19:56
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hramrachThat's very exotic indeed. Great job getting the board work :)20:00
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minutetghx20:14
minutethx20:14
minutebecause of some earlier questions i had today in #panfrost on oftc i discovered we should pick this patch for rk3588 https://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg5371339.html20:22
minutealso confirmed that we don't need CMA20:23
TwodisbetterAnyone tried running Ubuntu on MNT products? 20:37
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minutehttps://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/6520:42
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reform1815exit21:00
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gustav28minute: so faster gpu performance after this mr?21:05
minutegustav28: could be, or less display overhead. should avoid some bounce buffering21:20
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gustav28mhm22:13
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joschminute: did you find any more problems with the rk3588 system image?23:39
joschdid you find the tty setting that enables serial?23:39
minutejosch: i didn't find any problems with the rk3588 reform image so far, except that it doesn't boot _sometimes_, but i think that's a known problem (i think panic in hdptx, will investigate). tomorrow will try the pocket image23:54

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