| ch | nice | 00:22 |
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| minute | ch: charging via thunderbolt port of the monitor doesn't work though btw :D hiccups (loop where it starts and stops charging) | 00:44 |
| ch | oh well | 00:44 |
| ch | should really rebase my sysctl fw branch and try that | 00:45 |
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| minute | ch: you have a monitor with integrated charger like that? | 01:37 |
| ch | yeah, got an lg ultrafine 5k that i can try | 01:38 |
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| minute | ch: nice | 01:41 |
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| jfred | man I was going to put the rk3588 module in my big reform but this is tempting me to put it in the pocket | 02:42 |
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| jfred | I've been meaning to test the pocket with my USB-C dock, I know it doesn't do DP alt-mode so one-cable docking is out, but two-cable maybe? If it can both charge from the dock and connect all the USB devices I leave attached to it that'd be pretty nice | 02:48 |
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| hramrach | for me charging works most of the time but sometimes the pocket goes into a loop of starting/stopping charging, and the battery dies | 10:19 |
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| ryukazou | OpenBSD 7.6 added various driver support for rk3588,nice. | 12:50 |
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| * Guest1770 -> mjw | 13:07 | |
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| aperezdc | what suprised me more was that it already has suport for some models with the new Snapdragon SoCs | 13:36 |
| gsora | some of the openbsd folks love getting new hardware and porting it | 13:43 |
| gsora | iirc snapdragon x elite booted openbsd a couple days after release | 13:43 |
| gsora | sorry, one day! https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20240620105457 | 13:44 |
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| minute | gsora: ha, that's bluerise | 14:17 |
| minute | bluerise: i didn't know you were into qualcomm stuff. how about qcs6490? | 14:18 |
| gsora | qcs6490 board soon? :P | 14:47 |
| jfred | As someone with a qcm6490 phone, I'm keeping a close eye on mobile linux support... would love to switch back to a mobile linux distro someday and dock it as a desktop | 15:15 |
| jfred | ubuntu touch back in the day had shockingly good battery life but I think it was relying on some android power management components for that (plus it made liberal use of SIGSTOP) | 15:16 |
| Twodisbetter | I still wish the official Ubuntu phone would have happened. | 15:42 |
| grimmware | I think what was promised was really beautiful, but I have doubts that Mark Shuttleworth could have overseen a company that didn't fuck it up at some point fairly rapidly | 15:50 |
| grimmware | Really liked the idea of it though, using the edges to scroll was a really nice idea | 15:51 |
| grimmware | I still miss the HTC Dream | 15:51 |
| grimmware | I mean I still have one but you know what I mean | 15:51 |
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| jfred | I miss using my N900 | 16:06 |
| ericsfraga | I still have and sometimes use my N900. A phone that came out a few years ago promised (but did not really deliver) a Debian based system: Planet Computers. I bought their Gemini and used it as a palmtop computer (still using it) but it didn't really work as a phone as well. | 16:13 |
| ericsfraga | You had to boot up in Android to have a proper phone. Still, it's good in that it has a decent keyboard. | 16:13 |
| jfred | Heh, I have a Gemini sitting on my desk too. Great form factor, but their Linux support always seemed highly vendor-specific | 16:17 |
| jfred | the Gemini feels like a perfect device for a phone-focused sway config though (e.g. sxmo) | 16:19 |
| gsora | the main issue with gemini iirc was the mediatek soc no? | 16:19 |
| jfred | yeah, that's my impression | 16:20 |
| jfred | oh speaking of mobile Linux, I should go put that LTE modem in my Pocket Reform later today now that I have the back panel I'll be using long-term installed | 16:22 |
| Twodisbetter | I ordered a Cosmo from Planet Computer 2 years ago, radio silience there. Pretty sure I'll never get the phone. But of all the phones I could want, anything that follows after the N900 that I still have, would be excellenece. | 16:23 |
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| sts-q | is what i get after: apt update | 17:03 |
| sts-q | no idea what that means, but i makes me hmm | 17:04 |
| jfred | oh right... the pocket reform has a qwiic connector internally. now I'm tempted to try adding a lora module... | 17:08 |
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| minute | jfred: is the phone a FP5? | 18:04 |
| jfred | yup | 18:05 |
| jfred | not the most well supported here in the US but it mostly works :) | 18:06 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~Thunderbi@173.16.175.75) | 18:06 | |
| minute | sts-q: what are you getting after apt update? | 18:06 |
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| SavagePeanut | Hello, I'm yet another enthusatic person who doesn't know anything about schematics but wants to contribute :) | 18:48 |
| SavagePeanut | Specifically DP alt mode with the pocket and rk3588. I've found a few things and want to know if I'm on the right trackish | 18:48 |
| SavagePeanut | https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/technical-articles/introduction-to-usb-type-c-which-pins-power-delivery-data-transfer/ | 18:48 |
| SavagePeanut | https://www.ti.com/lit/wp/slly021/slly021.pdf | 18:48 |
| SavagePeanut | This looks like another project with the rk3588 that does support DP alt mode, I might be able to use it as guidence? | 18:48 |
| SavagePeanut | https://wiki.cool-pi.com/en/home/cm5_evb | 18:49 |
| SavagePeanut | file:///home/peanut/Downloads/cm5_evb_v11.pdf | 18:49 |
| SavagePeanut | I have the pocket and rk3588 module schematics cloned and open in kicad. Trying to learn how to use it... | 18:49 |
| SavagePeanut | Oh shoot, did that all get sent as separate messages? | 18:51 |
| minute | SavagePeanut: yep! ^^ | 18:51 |
| SavagePeanut | My bad 😅 | 18:51 |
| SavagePeanut | And looks like I linked the downloaded pdf, and not the actual link. https://wiki.cool-pi.com/en/cm5/cm5_evb_v11.pdf | 18:52 |
| hramrach | That rk3588 supports it does not mean you have the pins available. That's the most common struggle with devices not built as evaluation board: the pins not used in the original design cannot be used most of the time. | 18:53 |
| SavagePeanut | It _looks_ like the pocket mainboard has the pins available but they are not connected to anything yet | 18:54 |
| SavagePeanut | But again I am new :) | 18:54 |
| SavagePeanut | I have to stop being in the habit of multi lining my messages with this. | 18:55 |
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| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-5d34524e.019-141-67626730.bbcust.telenor.se) | 20:02 | |
| minute | interesting re: imx8mplus boot time https://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2024-September/564096.html | 20:04 |
| sts-q | minute: this morning apt reported a bug in tzdata. today i did a complet new install. the first apt update reported as written above. apt upgrade worked fine. | 20:12 |
| sts-q | strange: just now apt update says 116 packages to upgrade | 20:14 |
| sts-q | apt update come again with: tzdata(1 bug) | 20:14 |
| sts-q | No wrong. I canceled the first apt update today after apt update. It took a while but the tzdata bug showed up then, too. Sorry for this confusive messages. | 20:19 |
| sts-q | Notice: Missing Signed-By in the sources.list(5) entry for https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo | 20:36 |
| sts-q | ^^ is what i got after apt upgrade | 20:37 |
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| minute | sts-q: that's normal! | 20:43 |
| minute | sts-q: our repo is not signed, but served over https | 20:43 |
| sts-q | i expect this tzdata thing to disapear in some time as it is a debian issue | 20:49 |
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| minute | sts-q: what's the bug? is it a critical one? | 20:53 |
| sts-q | i dont know. apt upgade thinks it is critical as it ask me if i what to break or continue. | 20:55 |
| sts-q | i did not continue the upgrade, thats why apt still has 116 packages to do. | 20:56 |
| sts-q | So my question would be upgrade anyway? | 20:57 |
| hramrach | it also offers the option to review the bug report | 20:57 |
| hramrach | this is unstable so such things are common | 20:58 |
| hramrach | it would be nice if we could use at least testing but apparently so many components are cutting adge that it would cause different sorts of problems | 20:58 |
| minute | sts-q: my recommendation is to look at the details of the bug and see if it would affect you | 20:59 |
| sts-q | yes, i understand that. So i should just let apt let go on? | 20:59 |
| sts-q | minute: ok, ty | 21:00 |
| minute | josch: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/-/tags/2024-10-08 | 21:04 |
| minute | josch: any protest against a system image build? do you wanna do one? | 21:05 |
| minute | the first rk3588 ugprade modules for reforms have gone through QA today and we wanna start shipping them in the next days :3 | 21:05 |
| minute | (i have to write a manual tomorrow) | 21:05 |
| hramrach | re u-boot: saves some 700 milliseconds of boot time ;-) | 21:07 |
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| josch | minute: hi, i just came back from work -- i'll come back to you in a bit :) | 21:14 |
| minute | josch: ohh ok no problem! i just read all the code again and remembered you'll have to bump the uboot tag etc in the machines/*.conf in reform-tools and make a release | 21:17 |
| minute | josch: in any case, rk3588 uboot is ready and tagged | 21:18 |
| minute | so i'll leave you to it and make feierabend | 21:18 |
| josch | hramrach: in the past we had to patch much more stuff -- these days, i think you will not find many problems if you were to switch from unstable to testing. The remaining problems will occur in the times where unstable and testing have a different glibc version which will clash with, for example the kernel builds which are targetting unstable | 21:23 |
| josch | nice, the rk3588 u-boot build seems to be bit-by-bit reproducible as expected | 21:27 |
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| josch | okay, lets make a reform-tools release and then run reform-debian-packages... | 21:28 |
| hramrach | All the Wayland stuff is basically alpha quality, the newer the better most of the time. The setup wizard needed adding some libraries to Debian IIRC, and the list goes on. It is typically not difficult to rebuild current kernel and u-boot even for stable but the need to patch userspace brings in dependency hell. | 21:29 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@173.16.175.75) | 21:29 | |
| hramrach | right, current kicad is needed top open schematics, too. | 21:30 |
| josch | hramrach: the setup wizard is not a problem. Yes, more stuff was needed but the resulting binary is statically linked (because rust) and thus should work on testing | 21:30 |
| hramrach | my aim is not to have one-off hack of downgrading to testing, rather having the option to build testing images | 21:33 |
| josch | hramrach: you can do that, there are variables you can set to change the distro | 21:33 |
| josch | for both the repository and the image | 21:33 |
| josch | i'm using that for debian stable | 21:34 |
| hramrach | I guess I should try sometime then | 21:34 |
| hramrach | dust off some Arm board' | 21:35 |
| josch | hramrach: the reform-debian-packages repo will automatically cross-compile things if you are on a platform other than arm64 | 21:35 |
| hramrach | I wonder if my Atom server is more powerful than Arm boards | 21:36 |
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| josch | minute: reform-tools 1.54 is released and reform-debian-packages pipeline is running | 21:42 |
| josch | minute: one remaining possible issue is the bootargs for rk3588 -- is any special/custom option needed for those boards? I looked through the u-boot binary and it does not seem to set the ${bootargs} environment variable, so not even bits like console=... get set | 21:44 |
| josch | for other boards, the u-boot config sets CONFIG_BOOTARGS but i don't see the setting in the defconfigs in the reform-rk3588-uboot repo | 21:46 |
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| minute | josch: ah you're right, an oversight on my part because i always have extlinux.conf for testing | 22:10 |
| josch | we can fix that tomorrow after testing the system image -- maybe some other bits need fixing as well :) | 22:11 |
| minute | josch: yes, good plan | 22:12 |
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| josch | great, pipeline succeeded -- now waiting half an hour for the next mirror update | 22:31 |
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