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| minute | some news, we're now in the mouser catalog https://www.mouser.de/manufacturer/mnt-research/product-line/ | 00:52 |
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| minute | which might make it easier for some businesses to buy our stuff | 00:52 |
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| spew | I just ordered the mnt reform! | 01:44 |
| minute | spew: neat! | 01:49 |
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| spew | minute: thanks for all your hard work, I just had to celebrate getting a new job | 02:08 |
| minute | spew: awesome, thank you! | 02:13 |
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| gsora | gratz on the new job! | 10:20 |
| minute | i'll now attempt to compile servo on the reform :D | 10:32 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: congrats on getting the mouser catalog! | 10:50 |
| minute | thx! | 11:00 |
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| minute | rockchip semi-announced RK3688 | 11:29 |
| minute | with alleged 2.5x perf... so something to look forward to in 2026 ^^ | 11:30 |
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| minute | sooo servoshell works! https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/113248471656917600 | 11:37 |
| minute | the build process did get the rk3588 into thermal throttling though :D | 11:37 |
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| minute | wow | 11:40 |
| minute | i'm typing this from glowing-bear.org running in servoshell! | 11:41 |
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| grimmware | yeah that's pretty impressive | 12:11 |
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| grimmware | how's the performance of servo? I know it's probably difficult to comment on too much on the rcore given the thing spanks along... | 13:10 |
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| vkoskiv | minute: Have you taken a look at Ladybird yet? I used to occasionally contribute to SerenityOS, and I have some WIP stuff for Ladybird laying around still | 13:55 |
| vkoskiv | They are moving pretty fast, passed Servo in web platform tests just last month even! | 13:59 |
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| hramrach | It crashes the LTO linker, too :) | 14:20 |
| minute | vkoskiv: haven't looked in a while! i was intrigued at first but turned off a bit after controversy around "un"political nature of the leadership | 14:23 |
| vkoskiv | Fair. They just added a CoC a few days ago, I guess partially to address that | 14:24 |
| minute | vkoskiv: oh? | 14:26 |
| vkoskiv | https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/commit/45a3360a62235318f7d3bea8a7457d5bfac7be2a | 14:26 |
| aperezdc | that's... meager | 14:29 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: I know that it is subjective, but I found Ladybird's un-political stance a breath fo fresh air. That is the only way to not be against anyone. I get this is a hot button, but I feel like this politization of tech has served to only really divide people in ways that wasn't necessary. Division never sees understanding or acceptance. That said, I'll shut up about it, and just enjoy the rad pr | 14:29 |
| Twodisbetter | oducts you and the MNT keep churning out! | 14:29 |
| vkoskiv | It's also not a BDFL project anymore, since it's now run by a nonprofit with a board and all that stuff. | 14:30 |
| minute | Twodisbetter: being unpolitical is just not a thing. it just means your politics are implicit and not named | 14:31 |
| aperezdc | ACTION was about to send a comment similar to minute's, but deleted it and refrained because wasn't sure it would be welcome | 14:32 |
| aperezdc | anything that takes part among a group of people (read: in society) is, by definition, political | 14:33 |
| minute | Twodisbetter: as an example, if you say you are for open carry or have certain religious values, i respect that more vs people who say "don't bring politics here" but then go on and then do some biased decision that affects their community | 14:34 |
| minute | on the other hand i prefer discussions to be calm here and not mega off-topic | 14:35 |
| minute | but for example if we did an offensive thing in our documentation i would at least discuss it with the offended | 14:35 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: I am pretty sure that you and I share very different polotics. Yet I enjoy being here and I have great respect for you. I think us discussing our differences is just foolish and a huge waste of time. That is all I mean. | 14:36 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: and as long as I am respectful and not trying to offend people, I don't see why that would ever be a problem. | 14:36 |
| minute | Twodisbetter: i agree, and i think that is better than pretending to be "apolitical" | 14:37 |
| vkoskiv | Also important to recognize that the ability to claim to be 'apolitical' is a privilege that is not afforded to all people. | 14:37 |
| minute | vkoskiv: yeah | 14:38 |
| vkoskiv | i.e. I may not care that much about the details of a CoC document, but that's largely because I happen to represent the overwhelming majority of this industry, and I haven't experienced things that many people do on a regular basis. | 14:39 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: In a community setting, it means that things used to label people, are not being done. This means all can participate. This is what Linux needs. Division only slows it down more and more. Fork after fork after fork means spinning tires and going no where. | 14:40 |
| Twodisbetter | but I think what is obvious to most reading htis, we actual are saying essentially the same things. We agree with each other for the most part. | 14:41 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: anyway thank you for all your hard work! | 14:47 |
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| grimmware | Personally I was drawn here *by* the politics implicit in things like “circular economy” | 15:06 |
| grimmware | I contribute to the community based on that. | 15:07 |
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| hramrach | Consider s/politcs/health. For a technical project health should not be a primary topic of discussion unless making health related gadgets. Still all community members are affected by individual health and pandemics, and it affects their (non-)contribution. Design and implementation choices may affect health of users of whatever the project is making. Similarly politcs is inherent in any human | 15:56 |
| hramrach | endeavor, and at sometimes affects the community in some way, and needs to be discussed. When people are excessively discussing politics not related to the project it can be pointed out as off-topic. The strict 'no politics' stance is typically used to silence discussion when there is a problem that needs to be addressed but there is no will to do so. | 15:56 |
| josch | wow, my classic reform with a311d just accidentally survived 6.5 hours unplugged o0 | 16:25 |
| josch | (screen off, of course) | 16:25 |
| Twodisbetter | josch: awesome to hear! I have been able to go about 8 hours total with suspend and about 2 hours of use on the imx8 in my Reform. | 16:37 |
| Twodisbetter | actually it was more like 9 and a half. | 16:37 |
| Twodisbetter | right now I am trying to get something similar with the Pocket, but it is way more power hungry due to the lack of suspend. Still with solar panels and a battery pack I am getting there. Still trying to figure out the right size to make it all work. | 16:38 |
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| vkoskiv | I still have tons of packages being held back, I'm not sure why: https://mister-muffin.de/p/JIsi.txt | 18:48 |
| vkoskiv | Including apt, which probably explains why I haven't seen the new apt output yet on my system | 18:48 |
| vkoskiv | Well, this is a new one. Completely unrelated to above, but I'm formatting an SD card, and linux has totally lost the plot. | 18:58 |
| vkoskiv | fdisk wasn't writing the changes, so I'm just DD'ing a bunch of zeroes to the start of that drive, and linux still finds the partition table just fine, unchanged. | 18:58 |
| vkoskiv | Never seen that before! | 18:58 |
| vkoskiv | I can even mount the zeroed partitions and all the data is there | 18:59 |
| vkoskiv | It's an old card, maybe it just accepts writes but doesn't actually write anything? Bizarre. | 19:03 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah, all the writes to the card are accepted, but linux never checks that the data is actually there. I can mount a partition, add in a file and unmount, but the file is missing when I re-mount the partition. | 19:05 |
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| jfred | I'm glad Servo has been having something of a renaissance lately. Always seemed like a nice project, and it's good to have more browser engines around | 19:28 |
| jfred | grimmware: Same re: circular economy; it's hard to get there but it's a good north star to move towards | 19:29 |
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| josch | vkoskiv: what happens if you run "sudo apt full-upgrade"? | 21:30 |
| josch | vkoskiv: usually, after making changes to the partition table, you run partproble to inform the linux kernel that it should re-read the relevant parts of a device to update its internal status | 21:32 |
| josch | vkoskiv: after writing zeroes to erase the partition table, did you do that? | 21:32 |
| josch | if you did not, linux might've had the old information still cached and since you did not zero too much, you were still able to mount the partition of which linux still remembered the offsets of | 21:33 |
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| vkoskiv | It does that automatically on my system, running partprobe makes no difference | 22:26 |
| vkoskiv | The /boot on that card is in the first 60MB, I wrote 100MB of random data to the card, and it's all still there. | 22:27 |
| vkoskiv | So *shrug* | 22:27 |
| josch | yeah, that sounds unhealthy :D | 22:27 |
| vkoskiv | In other news, I'm trying to set up to bisect a regression in sway, but it's not very easy. | 22:29 |
| vkoskiv | I don't want to bother the devs by filing a bug, since this regression affects hardware from 2005, but I'd quite like to fix it if possible | 22:29 |
| vkoskiv | Battling dependencies of dependencies is not fun when trying to bisect. I checked out an older version of wlroots that might work, but it won't build because it depends on some version of libliftoff that I don't know | 22:30 |
| josch | and if you have to change dependencies to bisect, you cannot anymore know whether it's the sway code that regressed or one of its deps, no? | 22:31 |
| vkoskiv | At this time I don't even know which lib the regression is in, yeah. | 22:31 |
| vkoskiv | I was pretty sure it was going to be wlroots, since it has backend/drm/drm.c that seemed to be mentioning things that are related to the issue seen in dmesg, but it might be this liftoff thing maybe | 22:32 |
| vkoskiv | Their build system does make this easier, I think I can just checkout things into `subproject/<DEP>` and meson will pick that up instead of the system library if it sees it | 22:33 |
| vkoskiv | I'll just have to try and figure out which version of each to check out for each version of the dependency above | 22:33 |
| vkoskiv | The versions are documented in the meson file, thankfully. | 22:34 |
| vkoskiv | Ah, this method only works for one level, I guess. The wlroots dependency picked up the system lib anyway. | 22:37 |
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| vkoskiv | Oh, I'm not using liftoff in this case, I think I can disable that dependency completely. | 22:43 |
| vkoskiv | yakstack++, disabling the libliftoff dependency in the wlroots dependency blows up meson configure with a vague, seemingly unrelated error | 23:06 |
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| vkoskiv | Okay, lesson learned, don't use disabler() in meson. There is hidden internal magic that happens when the version match fails, that doesn't happen when disabler() is used. | 23:40 |
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