| minute | to debug the a311d issue i would definitely also use a monolithic kernel and boot straight into that with no initramfs and stuff | 00:23 |
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| minute | this is really grim https://www.evilsocket.net/2024/09/26/Attacking-UNIX-systems-via-CUPS-Part-I/ | 00:33 |
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| minute | well, i hear that this is overblown, and the article has somewhat edgy memes etc, so sorry for posting this here. | 01:08 |
| minute | https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-response-openprinting-cups-vulnerabilities | 01:10 |
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| cow321 | If I buy an MNT reform from the website (crowdsupply doesn't seem to offer the rk3588 which I want) how long would it take and how expensive would it be to ship to Oregon, USA? | 02:59 |
| cow321 | also, if it is too expensive to get the rk3588 from MNT could I replace the Banana Pi with a rk3588 pi cm4 clone? | 03:05 |
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| ch | minute: well its certainly not great and if cups is installed on debian/ubuntu it is vulnerable by default, but at least the printing RCE is not as root | 06:43 |
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| NanoCodeBug | cow321: the rk3588 module is not shipping yet, so at least a month or more i'd guess. using a module not in the supported list will require hacking and tinkering to get it working - device tree, kernel patches, and bootloader editing | 09:01 |
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| NanoCodeBug | the official rk3588 module, while the same SoC as other cm4-rk3588 modules, uses different perpiherals then cm4-rk3588 modules, any of which will most likely not be a drop in replacement even among other cm4-rk3588 modules. | 09:04 |
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| josch | minute: the gtk issue might actually be a panfrost issue: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/11892 | 10:08 |
| Boostisbetter | Does anyone here use a UHK keyboard by any chance? | 10:20 |
| minute | josch: ah, good find! | 10:48 |
| josch | the find was made by link mauve in #linux-amlogic -- props to them :) | 10:52 |
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| minute | josch: nice | 11:05 |
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| gsora | argh just read about the german customs | 11:59 |
| gsora | hopefully they'll unblock the shipment soon enough | 11:59 |
| josch | doubtful... if i had a stack of rcore boards i'd definitely keep them as long as i can! ;) | 12:02 |
| gsora | italian customs are usually pretty quick, though i've never received a package with hundreds of pcbs inside :^) | 12:11 |
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| minute | had a call with DHL, german customs is just letting them wait, they'd love to send us the rcore pcbs... | 15:30 |
| josch | bummer :( | 15:30 |
| josch | what is cooking at MNT in the meantime? | 15:31 |
| josch | any status update on motherboard 2.6 for classic reform? | 15:31 |
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| minute | josch: i have almost no time for engineering at the moment, prepared 3x nlnet grant applications and preparing ForschZG stuff for 2022+2023 | 16:16 |
| minute | well, printed another reform next case revision this week | 16:16 |
| josch | uuuuh grant applications! Well, probably super boring for you but exciting for us as prospective customers of the funded products. :) | 16:18 |
| minute | yeah :D | 16:18 |
| minute | i mean, i'm excited as well, but no idea what will go through... | 16:18 |
| josch | lets hope that the effort that went into the applications was not in vain :) | 16:19 |
| minute | exactly :3 | 16:20 |
| minute | spoiler: the 3 things are QCS6490 module, Reform Touch and Reform Desktop (continuation of the rack/motherboard cases system) | 16:21 |
| josch | oh wow, so you found a board based on the QCS6490? | 16:22 |
| josch | that's the fairphone 5 soc, no? | 16:23 |
| josch | my money is still on the reform desktop -- my current system is dying a slow death and needs a system from MNT to replace it with... | 16:24 |
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| minute | josch: yeah for a longer while we have thundercomm 6490p devkit | 16:45 |
| josch | ah indeed, my browser tells me that i should've known this XD | 16:46 |
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| vkoskiv | Nice work on the setup wizard on the system image, by the way! It's been a while since I've run it, since I just keep my existing nvme install up to date. | 17:00 |
| vkoskiv | 'it' meaning rescue image :D | 17:01 |
| jfred | minute: ooh, Reform Touch? | 17:15 |
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| minute | vkoskiv: thx! | 17:19 |
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| vkoskiv | Okay, I have a rescue card set up with the linux source all compiled. I don't know what extlinux does, and I'm not sure how I'd go about disabling initramfs and modules | 18:01 |
| vkoskiv | So I'll just try the regular modules_install && install and see what happens :D | 18:01 |
| vkoskiv | Is there a way to convince u-boot to boot a kernel over the network, by the way? | 18:03 |
| minute | yeah, but that's more complicated than to write an extlinux.conf | 18:10 |
| minute | vkoskiv: take a look at this http://dump.mntmn.com/extlinux.conf.txt | 18:11 |
| minute | vkoskiv: this is how i boot my rk3588 reform | 18:11 |
| minute | vkoskiv: you just create a folder "extlinux" on sd card and put extlinux.conf in there and adjust those lines | 18:12 |
| josch | minute: debian-installer folks are currently preparing things for making it possible to create images that can be booted by rk3588 | 18:12 |
| minute | josch: neat | 18:12 |
| josch | for example the 16 MBit offset issue was just solved and merged | 18:12 |
| minute | josch: we should upstream our rk3588 dts's to linux soon | 18:12 |
| josch | can't wait trying all of this out :) | 18:13 |
| grimmware | :D | 18:13 |
| josch | ACTION curses at customs :) | 18:13 |
| vkoskiv | So you mean /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf and then place the files mentioned in the config under /boot? | 18:13 |
| minute | vkoskiv: well.. if /boot is your sd card? | 18:13 |
| grimmware | y'all do amazing work, and whilst I'm sad that customs have delayed the rcore I still can't believe this product line is even a thing | 18:14 |
| vkoskiv | I guess I don't know what extlinux *does* :D I thought it just boots the files under /boot by default | 18:14 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah, I switched to a rescue card so I don't mess up my nvme install. | 18:14 |
| minute | vkoskiv: extlinux just does what is specificed in extlinux/extlinux.conf on the boot volume | 18:14 |
| vkoskiv | But I have /boot on sdcard on the nvme setup too. | 18:14 |
| vkoskiv | I guess the confusion is that extlinux installs a bootloader, but I though that I already have a bootloader, u-boot? | 18:16 |
| josch | vkoskiv: that's a misnomer | 18:16 |
| vkoskiv | I'll just do what you suggest and read the manpage I guess :D | 18:16 |
| josch | vkoskiv: writing a /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf is just a text file that is read by u-boot | 18:16 |
| vkoskiv | Though I already ran modules_install, not sure what that'll do | 18:16 |
| vkoskiv | If it messes with this then | 18:16 |
| josch | and the format of that file should be familiar to those who used extlinux on their x86 boxes | 18:16 |
| vkoskiv | aaah, okay, I see. | 18:16 |
| josch | and writing an /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf is much easier than messing with /boot/boot.scr | 18:17 |
| vkoskiv | Gotcha. So I just use it to point at the kernel I install with `make install`? | 18:17 |
| vkoskiv | Cool, okay, now it makes more sense. | 18:17 |
| vkoskiv | Huh, apt output is way nicer in this rescue environment than on my normal setup. | 18:19 |
| minute | vkoskiv: maybe you have a very old apt normally? | 18:19 |
| josch | vkoskiv: yes, apt recently overhauled its TUI | 18:20 |
| vkoskiv | I did upgrade not that many days ago I think. | 18:22 |
| sevan | a reform desktop that's a black cube could be quite nice. | 18:34 |
| sigrid | maybe a monolith from 2001 space odyssey | 18:34 |
| sevan | :) | 18:35 |
| sigrid | I really like aesthetics of xerox 6085, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HyMQ9fG-V0 | 18:36 |
| sigrid | ie all the "boards" sliding in/out in the back | 18:36 |
| sevan | CM-5 & NeXTcube for me :) | 18:37 |
| grimmware | I'd like something with some blinkenlights | 18:40 |
| josch | sigrid: it could be a monolith if you make it stand on its side! https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/112718406510971636 | 18:40 |
| sigrid | nice | 18:41 |
| sevan | ++ :) | 18:41 |
| josch | there were also 3d printed versions of it... one sec... | 18:42 |
| josch | https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/112750602671319046 | 18:43 |
| josch | with floppy for scale :) | 18:43 |
| josch | reform desktop was called reform standalone back then :) | 18:43 |
| sigrid | it's tiny | 18:49 |
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| jfred | I just had a thought of something that would be pretty neat (though also a lot of work I'm sure) - a cluster board for Reform modules that could accept heterogeneous modules | 19:21 |
| jfred | basically a place to stash old modules and make use of them without needing a separate full mobo for each one | 19:21 |
| minute | sigrid: nice @ xerox 6085 | 19:35 |
| minute | ok all 3 grant applications submitted... fingers crossed! | 19:35 |
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| grimmware | gl! | 19:55 |
| minute | thx | 19:55 |
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| minute | sigrid: that viewpoint stuff looks much more modern that it should be :0 | 21:14 |
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| hramrach | or current day software is much more outdated than it should be | 21:23 |
| jfred | that's how I often feel about current day software when I see demos of e.g. the Alto or Lisp machines | 21:30 |
| jfred | I've gotta watch that 6085 video now but man some of the early GUI stuff could do things that today's GUIs can't | 21:31 |
| jfred | the demo of Smalltalk from the Alto in this video is one of my favorite examples of that I think: https://youtu.be/AnrlSqtpOkw | 21:35 |
| sigrid | have you seen their cedar/mesa environment? | 21:37 |
| sigrid | I will not get tired of pasting this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dt7NG38V4 | 21:37 |
| jfred | I have not but I think this is yet another video to put on the stack :) | 21:39 |
| jfred | my daydream is an object-capability-secure desktop environment that behaves kind of like those early Xerox systems (i.e. the windows are objects that can interact with each other as directed by the user, not fully separate apps) | 21:42 |
| hramrach | the 'separate app' thing is a symptom of multiple problems each amplifiying the others. One is that the OS is rudimentary, and does not favor decent communicaation API between pplications (eg. DOS, UNIX), one is that there is lack of cooperation between different software authors, one is that software change accelerates to the point that there is no time to design an API at all, almost | 21:47 |
| hramrach | everything is obsolete basically the moment it's released, much of software even once it's designed | 21:47 |
| sigrid | it seems to get worse since now "separate app" quite often means "separate container full of stuff" :) | 21:48 |
| sigrid | looked like xerox specifically tried to solve this issue by making their programming language (mesa, then cedar) involved | 21:49 |
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| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 22:08 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 22:09 | |
| hramrach | Unix is a mutiuser system for an Arduino. Surely some compromises were necessary to make that happen. We necro that design for 40 years by now | 22:15 |
| + spew (~spew@201.141.99.170) | 22:19 | |
| hramrach | and shipping applications in containers (eg. flatpaks) exposes that applilcations are not really standalone and do need to communicate to varying extent to be useful, and that the communication is using ad-hoc, unstructured protocols which are pretty much unintelligible and unamanageable for the framework that aims at managing the applications | 22:21 |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:32 | |
| - Gooberpatrol_66 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:32 | |
| minute | today i heard there's a new bus coming, like a sequel to d-bus called varlink | 22:41 |
| + mtm_ (~textual@166.199.112.65) | 22:41 | |
| - mtm (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~textual@2600:381:e511:512a:886a:23a4:e3d1:b913) | 22:42 | |
| + cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837) | 22:48 | |
| josch | minute: varlink is already used in quite a few places -- in Debian we are using it to communicate with software running inside a package building container environment | 22:52 |
| josch | the fun thing is that, like dbus, you can send file descriptors over the socket | 22:53 |
| josch | and that enables quite a few nice things without the complexity of dbus (which also allows sending fds) | 22:53 |
| minute | neat | 22:55 |
| - mtm_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~textual@166.199.112.65) | 23:03 | |
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