| + midfavil1 (midfavila@freeshell.org) | 01:02 | |
| midfavil1 | hey, all. uhhhhhhh weird situation here and i wanna know if it sounds like a ship-it-back sort of issue | 01:03 |
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| - gsora (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~gsora@user/gsora) | 01:03 | |
| midfavil1 | sitting here watching a show, charging my refor, and all of a sudden it just died | 01:03 |
| midfavil1 | reform, even, phonefingers | 01:03 |
| midfavil1 | anyway there's a very pungent ozone-y smell coming from the batteries and some of the circuitry near the barrel jack | 01:04 |
| midfavil1 | and it won't turn back on. i assume it's some kind of short? | 01:04 |
| midfavil1 | i still get the red power LED while it's plugged in | 01:05 |
| midfavil1 | minute: any professional opinion? | 01:06 |
| midfavil1 | oh, and i suppose its important to mention that nothing seemed abnormally hot | 01:07 |
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| + mjw (~mjw@90-183-52-11.rcq.o2.cz) | 01:18 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 01:21 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@90-183-52-11.rcq.o2.cz) | 01:22 | |
| minute | midfavil1: ugh, sorry to hear... probably also not working with all batteries removed? then, warranty case | 01:30 |
| minute | could be diode d5 | 01:32 |
| minute | (it older board) | 01:32 |
| midfavil1 | yeah, i tried running off AC alone, nothing | 01:35 |
| midfavil1 | and i mean it's not a huge deal i still have my old one to use until the reform gets figured out | 01:36 |
| midfavil1 | goes without saying though that i'd rather the reform | 01:37 |
| midfavil1 | :p | 01:37 |
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| josch | minute, ch: for uploading reform-tools to Debian main, I need to remove the non-free parts from it. What do you think about replacing MNTIcons.ttf with a tiny font i just created which has the Debian swirl as the letter "M" and can thus act as a drop-in replacement? | 08:29 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~quassel@47-186-105-237.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 08:47 | |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-2337524e.019-141-67626730.bbcust.telenor.se) | 10:02 | |
| - aloo_shu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~aloo_shu@0.pool85-51-18.dynamic.orange.es) | 10:06 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@vpn-konference.ms.mff.cuni.cz) | 10:08 | |
| + aloo_shu (~aloo_shu@0.pool85-51-18.dynamic.orange.es) | 10:15 | |
| _hramrach | uh, in what way is MNTIcons.ttf non-free? | 10:39 |
| _hramrach | I see, CC-BY-NC-4.0 for the font | 10:46 |
| _hramrach | I wonder if that NC adds any value | 10:47 |
| _hramrach | Also I wonder if it would classify as non-free even if relesead under more permissive license given the logo is likely a trademark | 10:48 |
| ch | josch, minute: the font is used for the logo in sway? if so i think we should find a way to preserve the branding there. maybe as _hramrach mentioned the font can become "free" even if the logo cannot be changed (like firefox etc) | 11:01 |
| _hramrach | IIRC with firefox it's the other way around: You can change the logo but you cannot use it for anything besides firefox (and special licence was needed to use it for Debian firefox builds). | 11:06 |
| ch | i doubt that debian has a special license, thats very un-dfsg | 11:10 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~mjw@vpn-konference.ms.mff.cuni.cz) | 11:10 | |
| josch | ch, _hramrach: details to firefox branding: https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/ | 11:48 |
| josch | for more details see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 | 11:48 |
| josch | the issue was also copyright related but mainly a trademark thing where firefox didn't permit modified versions to be called "firefox" via its trademark on the name | 11:49 |
| josch | minute, ch: another solution could be to just not let the reform-tools package ship /usr/share/fonts/truetype/MNTIcons.ttf (nothing in the reform-tools package makes use of it) but instead ship the font as part of the reform-system-image scripts and put it in /opt or something | 11:52 |
| josch | the things that uses it is the waybar config in reform-system-image | 11:53 |
| ch | slightly better option: put it into an mnt-branding package which wont exist in debian | 11:55 |
| ch | doesnt the handbook have the same problem then? | 11:56 |
| josch | ch: according to lukas, the handbook is CC-BY-SA-4.0 | 11:57 |
| ch | https://mntre.com/documentation/reform-handbook/_static/logo.svg i have my doubts | 11:58 |
| ch | anyway, if its fine for the handbook, a solution for the font should also be possible | 11:59 |
| ch | (without putting it into a new package) | 11:59 |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@45.146.10.36) | 12:35 | |
| ryukazou | How often does the mnt support reply mail? | 12:39 |
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| + mtm (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 15:12 | |
| - gsora (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~gsora@user/gsora) | 15:13 | |
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| + bluerise_ (~bluerise@pc19f8780.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 15:15 | |
| + gsora (~gsora@user/gsora) | 15:28 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@vpn-konference.ms.mff.cuni.cz) | 15:30 | |
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| + Twodisbetter (2cc0e4ea1c@irc.cheogram.com) | 16:05 | |
| josch | ryukazou: it can take a while because the team is very small and everybody is overworked -- if you ping lukas here, you are likely to get a quick reply | 16:12 |
| josch | ch: you are right! I just use that svg you linked and create a new font from that. Problem solved! ;) | 16:13 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~mjw@vpn-konference.ms.mff.cuni.cz) | 16:29 | |
| ch | haha | 16:30 |
| josch | plot twist: minute now realizes that reform-handbook/_static/logo.svg should actually also be CC-BY-NC-4.0 :) | 16:31 |
| + mjw (~mjw@vpn-konference.ms.mff.cuni.cz) | 16:34 | |
| + jacobk (~quassel@47-186-105-237.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 16:44 | |
| + spew (~spew@201.141.99.170) | 16:53 | |
| ryukazou | josch: understood, never knew mnt team is small. It’s impressive how they can produce so much laptop. | 16:59 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@vpn-konference.ms.mff.cuni.cz) | 17:10 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@vpn-konference.ms.mff.cuni.cz) | 17:12 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~mjw@vpn-konference.ms.mff.cuni.cz) | 17:18 | |
| minute | josch: ah, i wanted to ask if nc would be ok for debian? that would be an easy solution for the logo | 17:31 |
| minute | josch: otherwise replacing with debian logo is fine, but we need to use mnt logo variant on our own CI | 17:31 |
| josch | minute: nope, non-commercial is non-free for debian | 17:31 |
| josch | minute: and if the logo is nc, what about the logo in the handbook? | 17:32 |
| minute | josch: ok, so the logo in the handbook could be replaced with just a text headline "MNT Reform" | 17:33 |
| josch | ch: you think creating a "mnt-branding" package would be better? I think using a package makes sense for things that needs to be updated but is that the case for static pixel or raster graphics? | 17:43 |
| ch | josch: i think a package always makes sense, be it for keeping track of where files come from and/or updating. and i'm guessing it won't be the last file | 18:10 |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 18:11 | |
| josch | hrm... seems like the MNT logo is hidden in quite a few more places... the sway screenshots have it (in waybar), svgs have it (4-keyboard-v3-special-keys.svg)... | 18:15 |
| josch | there is a bit of clean-up to do... | 18:15 |
| ch | maybe the handbook wants to be in non-free | 18:27 |
| josch | yes | 18:51 |
| josch | that would certainly make things easier | 18:52 |
| josch | minute: would that be okay for you? | 18:52 |
| minute | josch: totally fine | 19:22 |
| josch | okay, re-uploading to NEW now | 19:27 |
| minute | ok so there is hope yet for the bpi cm4 built in wifi. these people have gotten it to work fast https://forum.armbian.com/topic/44899-slow-wifi-speeds-on-banana-pi-cm4/ | 19:52 |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 20:06 | |
| grimmware | https://grimmwa.re/blog/html/00017-pocket-reform-lid-detection.html | 20:58 |
| dozens | grimmware: this is awesome! | 21:05 |
| dozens | you should add a gif of your screen turning off if you open the hinge too much :D | 21:06 |
| grimmware | heh, it turns off if you just hold it with the screen face down | 21:08 |
| grimmware | which I knew in theory before I even started yet forgot this fact when testing it despite that being the easy way of doing it | 21:08 |
| dozens | haha | 21:09 |
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| + aloo_shu (~aloo_shu@0.pool85-51-18.dynamic.orange.es) | 22:27 | |
| mhoye | Question: in setting my volume via wpctl to "100%" it is still very quiet. Is there something else I should be doing here? | 22:59 |
| mhoye | Also, anyone going to be at MatrixConf this week? | 23:00 |
| minute | mhoye: which system again? (laptop type + cpu module) | 23:10 |
| minute | mhoye: there are usually some more knobs and faders in alsamixer (in terminal), then F6 and select the 2nd card | 23:11 |
| minute | grimmware: really cool! | 23:11 |
| mhoye | minute: 1stgen all the way. | 23:50 |
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