2024-09-13.log

joschminute: first feedback from a friend whom i'll make this their next laptop once their curernt thinkpad breaks: "wow, der ist wirklich sehr, sehr hübsch!" (wow, this is really very, very pretty)00:06
minuteohhh! it's not even aluminum yet!00:07
grimmwareminute: congrats!00:08
joschor purple aluminum! :D00:08
grimmwareI can't really believe the rate at which you get these things done! It's amazing00:10
chcant really order another laptop now :D00:12
grimmwareheh, same unfortunately00:12
chwith the thermal pad the qualcomm wifi is really good00:28
chdont understand why the mediatek wifi doesnt perform consistently or great tho00:29
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minutech: hmm for me it does... what's the formfactor, asiarf card?00:51
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chminute: yeah asiarf card, + 2x laird antennas01:07
chminute: i see wildly differing speeds, often very slow, sometimes it seems okay01:08
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henesydos rpg kinda night05:32
henesytook laptop to fav coffee shop today that doesnt have wifi but was able to use data - barista was tickled by the pocket :)05:33
henesyread some old turok comics, played some caesar III, drank a big coffee05:34
henesyall good things05:34
violeto.o another caesar player06:28
violeti have only played IV, but i have played so so much of it06:28
violeti used to have a pretty easy time getting it running in wine but lately wine has not been so agreeable for me on it. not sure why06:29
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henesyi am running it using julius on box64 on my pocket06:33
henesydont think wine would do much for me unless theres a windows arm64 binary06:33
henesynever played it before! i saw a post on the gaming thread on the forum mentioing caesar so here i am06:33
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[tj]that is the worst bit done: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=40d0f179a8a9900ccfe37a04495aee783387809b10:25
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grimmware[tj]: eyyyy!10:38
[tj]usb sort of works, but the controller resets immmediately when attaching a xhci device. There are some undocumented bits set by u-boot so I might be missing something else secret10:52
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minute[tj]: woah woah11:11
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[tj]minute: to have freebsd release engineering images u-boot for the pocket needs to be upstreamed and so do the dts file(s)15:01
[tj]not having these pieces upstream doesn't stop say, me, making images, but that then requires people to trust me15:02
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josch[tj]: same situatio we have in debian -- right now, people have to trust me and my gpg key if they want to grab stuff from reform.debian.net which mainly exists because stuff is not upstreamed to the linux kernel15:19
[tj]sure, that is much more common in the linux world15:20
[tj]minute: I'm happy to work on upstreaming changes if I can get a clear idea of what they are15:20
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ch[tj]: afaik for the linux kernel everything is in here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/tree/main/linux?ref_type=heads15:35
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[tj]ok usb doesn't like the easy to reach usb flash drive I had, but almost everything else seems fine16:52
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staticbunnyminute : is the timeline for pocket upgrade kits still 2 months like the store says? give or take a week...17:43
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minutestaticbunny: hopefully quicker!17:50
minutewriting this from reform next prototype with wifi stick, on batteries!17:50
staticbunnyohh hell yeah! i ordered one yesterday. Also heard back from support about my charge board. 17:51
andypiperoooh excited if they are coming sooner than 2 months!17:52
staticbunnyunrelated question... what slot type does the motherboard use? curious if my jetson would work 17:53
minutestaticbunny: unfortunately no standard. only the cm4 semistandard is currently adaptible via RCM417:55
staticbunnyhmm ok, it just looked like the same dim type and wishful thinking on my part. https://developer.nvidia.com/embedded/learn/jetson-orin-nano-devkit-user-guide/hardware_spec.html17:55
minutestaticbunny: nope17:56
staticbunnyactually it would be cool if someone made an adapter that supports the turingpi  modules (260-pin SO-DIMM ) https://docs.turingpi.com/docs/turing-pi2-supported-compute-modules17:57
_hramrachthere was something about the ix industrial cables, is there any plan to list them in the shop?17:59
minutestaticbunny: adapter from dimm to dimm are not really feasible18:00
minute_hramrach: yes prob next week18:00
staticbunnydamn, well at least we have the RCM418:00
ryukazouminute: is there a plan that pocket reform charging board would be available in mnt shop?18:06
staticbunnylol valid question18:06
staticbunny"ill take 3"18:06
ryukazouSome issues I saw in community forums still got me paranoid when I charge pocket reform.18:10
staticbunnyyeah mine let the magic smoke out. I'm sure if yours is working fine you have nothing to worry about18:12
staticbunnyi ordered an anker PD charger and it works better than my steamdeck and apple chargers18:13
staticbunnyi need to turn it on twice with the apple and steamdeck PD's18:14
staticbunnyminute: is that a known issue or should i submit a bug for that? i should be running the latest firmware. 18:15
minuteryukazou: at some point yes!18:17
minutestaticbunny: the turning on twice is some weird bug that i also encounter often, but is not filed. i don't think it's related to chargers. more like kbd/sysctl communication thing18:17
ryukazoustaticbunny: I use Dell 60 watt charger seem work fine.18:18
ryukazouminute: thanks for the reply. I feel better.18:19
staticbunnyahh interesting ok18:19
_hramrachI use some noname multiport charger and it works fine as well (it says it can deliver up to 105W per port, up to 200W total)18:21
staticbunnyi got the Anker Prime Charger, 100W18:22
staticbunnyjust so i dont have to share chargers18:22
ryukazoupocket reform is really build like a brick, mine dropped on my face hour age when I laying on bed and play some ghouls 'n ghosts. I hurt a lot.18:22
staticbunnyi love mine, i kept telling my fiance it was coming in the mail lol18:23
staticbunnyDO YOU KNOW WHAT TOMORROW IS?!?18:24
staticbunnyit takes some getting used too but once you learn the keyboard its amazing18:24
ryukazouI’m going to 3D print a grip to use pocket reform like gpd win mini18:25
staticbunnyooooo thats a great idea18:26
staticbunnyi really hope the pocket hits critical mass and gets a lot of mods18:27
ryukazouI do catch some eye when I use mine in office18:29
ryukazouThey do consider the price and I told them because is a small batch product so it would be expensive than mass produced product.18:32
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ryukazouI manage to chroot into Gentoo installed on SSD, what should I do next?19:03
ryukazouNvm, there is a page about reform on Gentoo wiki19:05
staticbunnyits also a long term investment product. you buy it with the intention of continually upgrading it. Someday my my pocket reform will have a holograph display and quantum module addon for syncing data19:06
minute:D19:07
jfredI would enjoy if someday my pocket reform had a reflective LCD, haha. I wonder if that would be plug-and-play if I could find one in the same form factor that had an eDP input19:25
jfredryukazou: Oh a pocket reform grip is a great idea! You could totally make one with an embedded gamepad too, I don't think it's too big for that to be practical19:31
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henesyyeah it wouldnt be much bigger than a steam deck19:36
henesyryukazou: are some PDs cooking the pocket? O_o19:36
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jfredhenesy: they're referring to this forum post I think https://community.mnt.re/t/mnt-pocket-reform-doesnt-boot/225420:06
grimmwarestaticbunny: yeah, one day my pocket will be the ship of theseus except for the aluminium bits of the chassis20:07
grimmwaremad excited for the rcore20:07
minutejfred: pocket display interface is mipi, not edp20:10
jfredminute: oh, right - I was looking at the big reform's specs20:12
jfred(that said a reflective LCD on the big reform would be neat too haha)20:13
jfredespecially since you can potentially power the thing directly off a solar panel if you're using it outdoors...20:13
jfredminute: I don't know much about either protocol but from posts I'm finding online it sounds like mipi requires more display-specific work to get a new display working than edp; is that about right?20:28
minutejfred: that is correct, edp is mostly plug&play20:48
minutewhen designing mipi dsi they forgot something like EDID in it and also requires ridiculous amounts of custom command poking that is different for each panel... really the worst display interface ever made20:49
staticbunnygrimmware: damn now i gotta change my hostname to rocinante20:59
dozensthat was the host name of my first laptop21:14
dozensfollowed by doxology21:14
ryukazoujfred: I might only able to make grip, I have zero knowledge in hardware engineering. henesy21:18
ryukazouhenesy: I just want to play safe, 60-65 watt charger is very common in laptop, so I assume it would be safe.21:19
ryukazouI find a 10.1 inch mipi display from RAYSTAR, wonder whether it work work on pocket reform?21:25
staticbunnyFYI some cheap USB-C PD won't follow spec and can be dangerous. Thats not what killed my board though, it was just a bad board.21:25
ryukazouhttps://www.raystar-optronics.com/10.1-10.2-10.4-tft-lcd-display/10.1-mipi-ips-1024x600-tft.html21:26
minuteryukazou: not without some serious hardware and driver engineering21:27
minutealso, low resolution21:27
ryukazouminute: if I’m not wrong, pocket reform use screen from nexus 7 right?21:28
minuteryukazou: nexus 7 version 221:28
ryukazouI think I will stick with original screen, writing a driver is outside my knowledge.21:31
minuteryukazou: also, how would you want to mount a 10 inch display?21:33
minutethat would require a totally different case 21:33
ryukazouYeah, 10.1 inch is way too big21:39
ryukazouJust measure it21:39
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ryukazouLT070ME05000 screen is surprisingly easy to find21:51
staticbunnyan OLED would be nice21:52
ryukazouI know a company making 30 fps e-ink display call Pixel Qi but it’s only 1024 X 600, I saw this at computax few years ago.22:01
Twodisbetterhonestly a touchscreen would have been perfect for me. Just would allow a lot more ways to interact with things in quick fashion22:01
jfredryukazou: pixel qi is unfortunately defunct22:07
jfredRLCDs aren't new but I haven't been able to find a 12.5" eDP one for the big Reform22:08
ryukazouThat is sad to heard22:08
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jfredthese folks are doing a tablet with a black and white RLCD that looks pretty nice, wish I could buy a 12.5" version of their display: https://daylightcomputer.com/22:09
ryukazouThis looks amazing22:12
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jfredthe device itself is an android tablet that's not all that interesting aside from the display... but the display is lovely22:16
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jfredI know there's probably more money to be made in selling full-fledged devices, but retrofit kits for things like the Reform and Fairphone would be great. good reasons for modularity :P22:18
+ mjw (~mjw@90-183-52-11.rcq.o2.cz)22:18
aperezdcthere's also https://www.modos.tech/blog/modos-paper-monitor22:18
aperezdcwell, in development22:19
jfredyeah, that one's got impressively low latency for an e-ink display22:21
jfred6-inch and 13.3-inch though... drat, one's slightly too small for the pocket reform and the other's slightly too big for the normal reform XD22:22
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ryukazouModos is fantastic, I would definitely get one if they release portable monitor option.22:27
ryukazouVersion22:28
jfred...hmm, maybe you could disassemble one of the existing Reform LCDs and replace the backlight with a reflective film22:40
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jfredoh, huh. companies just sell this stuff https://3dlens.com/transflective-polarizer-film.php23:07
minutejfred: neat23:11
jfredI might need to find some sacrificial LCDs to play around with and give this a try23:16
minutekeep us posted :D23:28

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