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| jfred | 32 GB of RAM on a Reform is going to be glorious | 01:34 |
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| robin | jfred, 32 GB? :o | 01:57 |
| robin | oh with rk3588 | 01:58 |
| jfred | yeah | 01:58 |
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| [tj] | I'm not sure if this impacts anything, but the serial audio interface clock parents don't match the datasheet: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/933069701c1b507825b514317d4edd5d3fd9d417/drivers/clk/imx/clk-imx8mp.c#L169 | 11:24 |
| [tj] | it might be an errata, I haven't checked | 11:26 |
| [tj] | huh and there isn't an sai4 | 11:32 |
| [tj] | sys1_pll/div6 is 133M not 166 so this clock doesn't exist: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/933069701c1b507825b514317d4edd5d3fd9d417/drivers/clk/imx/clk-imx8mp.c#L169 | 11:37 |
| [tj] | sys1_pll/div6 is 133M not 166 so this clock doesn't exist: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/933069701c1b507825b514317d4edd5d3fd9d417/drivers/clk/imx/clk-imx8mp.c#L330 | 11:38 |
| [tj] | sorry | 11:38 |
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| andypiper | I just updated packages on my Pocket, and now I see something strange in the tuigreet display at startup - the title of the tuigreet window says "Authenticate into {c}hostname" where {c} is an ASCII diamond character; and the last character of the hostname appears again underneath the hostname on the line before the Username prompt. I've tried this with different console fonts (via dpkg-reconfigure console-setup) and my hostname is just a regular | 13:46 |
| andypiper | word without special characters. It is no big deal, but just very strange! Nothing changed in /etc/greetd/config.toml. Anyone else? | 13:46 |
| andypiper | (oh, I see that this is actually one of josch packages as maintainer) | 13:48 |
| josch | andypiper: please file a bug in the debian bts as usual when discovering bugs in debian :) | 13:49 |
| andypiper | acl | 13:49 |
| andypiper | ack | 13:49 |
| andypiper | that's exciting, first time using reportbug - since Pocket is default to running on unstable, maybe this package should be part of the default install. | 14:01 |
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| ch | if you cant report bugs, then there are no bugs! | 14:04 |
| + mtm (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:05 | |
| josch | if you do not receive bug reports for your software, your software is bug-free! | 14:06 |
| ch | sure is! | 14:06 |
| josch | the worst is that if you get no bug reports you cannot know whether your software is bug-free or nobody is using it :D | 14:07 |
| ch | i've now seen build_custom.sh for the first time, and ah, "thats quite a view" :)) | 14:11 |
| josch | ch: if all goes according to plan, build_custom.sh will be empty after trixie | 14:12 |
| josch | waiting for ftp-master right now... | 14:14 |
| ch | josch: want to merge this? https://salsa.debian.org/debian/ezurio-qcacld-2.0-dkms/-/merge_requests/2 | 14:19 |
| josch | ch: if you tested this and it works then sure! you do have permissions to hit the merge button? | 14:23 |
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| ch | josch: yeah. and yes i could click myself | 14:24 |
| josch | please go ahead | 14:24 |
| josch | and also feel free to upload if you think this is ready | 14:24 |
| josch | just dch --team it or something | 14:25 |
| ch | k, nice | 14:25 |
| josch | or put yourself in uploadrs | 14:25 |
| ch | wondering if we should add an autopkgtest for dkms | 14:25 |
| josch | more than just Testsuite: autopkgtest-pkg-dkms? | 14:26 |
| ch | ah, til | 14:26 |
| ch | thats fine then, thanks | 14:26 |
| josch | ch: note though, that for good reason, that test is marked as superficial | 14:27 |
| josch | because it just builds it -- it cannot test it | 14:28 |
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| andypiper | thank you josch for being excellent! | 14:37 |
| josch | thank you for the support :) | 14:38 |
| josch | ch: i'm also able to reproduce the src:bmap-tools FTBFS... :( | 14:39 |
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| andypiper | any idea when the berlin meetup might be, minute? There is a chance I might be in town at the end of October, I'm not sure if it would coincide. | 14:45 |
| amospalla | ch: thank you :D | 14:47 |
| amospalla | I'm curious, trying to understand how this flow works. You submitted a patch to Debian, what happens after that? | 14:47 |
| ch | did i do anything? :) | 14:47 |
| amospalla | Hiding the p2p interface? | 14:48 |
| ch | ah | 14:48 |
| ch | well, the normal process is to wait for the maintainer, and followup if needed | 14:49 |
| josch | in this case, ch *is* the maintainer :) | 14:49 |
| ch | worst case find another DD to apply the fix | 14:49 |
| ch | hey! | 14:49 |
| josch | err... surprise? :D | 14:49 |
| amospalla | haha ok | 14:49 |
| ch | TIL i'm the maintainer :D | 14:49 |
| josch | well, in debian we say "it's team maintained" | 14:50 |
| josch | but in the end it's one person doing everything | 14:50 |
| amospalla | so, say the mantainer accepts the patch :O, that package goes into sid/testing/stable in that order? | 14:50 |
| ch | i was just gonna say "please dont use that phrase" | 14:50 |
| josch | XD | 14:50 |
| ch | yeah so someone has to actually take the package and upload it to unstable | 14:51 |
| ch | then it will flow into testing, which eventually becomes stable | 14:51 |
| ch | if you also need it in -backports, more work | 14:51 |
| amospalla | I see, thank you :) | 14:53 |
| josch | ch: in all seriousness, i'd very much welcome if you give the qcalcd package a try on your pocket every once in a while -- i uploaded it but have no way of testing it... | 14:54 |
| amospalla | oh btw, thank you josch for your great response on the u-boot forum thread, I was right now studying it, very informative and lots of information! | 14:54 |
| josch | $somebody [tm] should write this kind of stuff into some wiki page... | 14:56 |
| amospalla | I'm trying to put the Debian stable image on the Pocket eMMC, but manually, I want to fully understand how it works so I can easily tinker with these things later when needed | 14:56 |
| ch | josch: i can try it regularly as long as my pocket stays an imx8mp. lets see how long that lasts :) | 14:59 |
| josch | thanks! | 15:00 |
| ch | do salsa pipelines produce artifacts (debs)? | 15:01 |
| ch | indeed they do | 15:01 |
| ch | this is insane | 15:01 |
| ch | why do we even bother with NEW | 15:01 |
| amospalla | I'm glad to test things on my Debian/stable if needed. | 15:01 |
| josch | ch: you are not the first to ask this question | 15:02 |
| josch | ch: the simple answer is: because the salsa machinery is not hosted by the debian admin or ftp team | 15:02 |
| ch | but the artifacts are on dsa hardware... | 15:02 |
| ch | bah | 15:02 |
| josch | ch: you can ask the same question for all the git repos containing non-DFSG stuff... | 15:02 |
| josch | you can git push anything without it going through NEW first | 15:03 |
| ch | i guess it doesn't end up on a CD image then, or sth | 15:03 |
| ch | </rant> | 15:03 |
| ch | josch: uh, does the fw in reform-qcacld2 come from another branch? qwlan30.bin has a differing checksum | 15:51 |
| josch | ch: you mean ./debian-meta/usr/lib/firmware/qcacld2/qwlan30.bin from https://source.mnt.re/reform/qcacld2 has a differing checksum compared to ./qwlan30.bin from ezurio-qca-firmware? | 15:56 |
| josch | ch: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2024-07-06.log.html | 15:58 |
| ch | > it is like choose your own adventure | 16:01 |
| ch | yeah, thats how i feel | 16:01 |
| ch | josch: i dont see an explanation about the qwlan30.bin difference | 16:02 |
| josch | oh no... let me dig in as well... | 16:03 |
| josch | ch: okay, so the version in ezurio-qca-firmware is directly from https://github.com/boundarydevices/qca-firmware/blob/bd-sdmac-qcacld-lea-3.0/qwlan30.bin | 16:04 |
| josch | ch: then the question is where minute's version comes from :) | 16:04 |
| ch | ezurio-qcacld2-firmware's qwlan30.bin is "Oct 31 2022", reform-qcacld2's is "Sep 7 2021" | 16:07 |
| josch | ch: fund it | 16:25 |
| josch | *found it | 16:25 |
| josch | it's from commit af26e1e5670bb9afa0691d260924adf86c37fea3 in branch bd-sdmac-qcacld-lea-3.0 | 16:25 |
| ch | ah | 16:28 |
| amospalla | Finally moved to Debian/stable :D. | 16:37 |
| amospalla | ls /dev/mmc* shows: /dev/mmcblk2 /dev/mmcblk2boot0 /dev/mmcblk2boot1 /dev/mmcblk2p1 /dev/mmcblk2p2 /dev/mmcblk2rpmb. mmcblk2boot{1,2} should be read-only devices right? | 16:38 |
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| amospalla | Yes, these are ro, sorry for asking already documented things. | 16:43 |
| ch | josch: i would propose to merge https://salsa.debian.org/debian/ezurio-qca-firmware/-/merge_requests/1 and https://salsa.debian.org/debian/ezurio-qcacld-2.0-dkms/-/merge_requests/3 and then push a new changelog for the fw package, so that interested users can grab the fw package from salsa? | 16:47 |
| ch | (and have a semiclean upgrade path?) | 16:47 |
| ch | and then i'd also upload the dkms package | 16:48 |
| andypiper | ahhhhh I shaved the yak and got Joplin to build! finally! after wading through corepack/yarn and also python and also missing dependencies to buried npm packages with native libraries... | 16:51 |
| andypiper | (I literally do all my note taking in Joplin across platforms so lacking an arm64 package was very sad for me) | 16:52 |
| minute | oh wow | 17:15 |
| minute | sorry folks, doing lots of admin work and other nontechnical things today | 17:15 |
| minute | andypiper: mid-end october probably but we didn't organize anything yet ^^ | 17:16 |
| andypiper | thanks, just checking... will see what the schedule is when it is arranged. | 17:16 |
| minute | josch: did i miss answering any critical questions today? :D | 17:18 |
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| josch | minute: hrm.. "critical"? i don't think so -- carry on! :) | 19:09 |
| josch | ch: if i fail to come back to you, please ping me about that later -- afk again | 19:10 |
| minute | josch: thx! | 19:12 |
| minute | i made some progress understanding ALSA UCM! https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/113120032499584447 | 19:12 |
| minute | with a bit more work we can replace some stuff in reform-hw-setup then | 19:12 |
| minute | https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/commit/329c00e3448613d42512ee63b7fcdcbd6cb166bb | 19:19 |
| minute | i don't understand PlaybackPriority/PlaybackVolume/PlaybackSwitch/PlaybackMixerElem yet | 19:20 |
| _hramrach | voynichian ... | 19:22 |
| minute | yeah... | 19:22 |
| _hramrach | it's not always a great idea to invent a DSL | 19:24 |
| _hramrach | That has me wonder what domain does voynichian cover | 19:24 |
| _hramrach | My whole impression of ALSA is I should get some gear from throwflame.com | 19:28 |
| minute | yeah i mean pipewire does an excellent job of replacing all those old systems, but they also wanted to reuse those existing profiles i guess, and not invent a new profile system (or maybe there's one and i haven't seen it) | 19:41 |
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| sigrid | pipewire just means using lua instead? | 19:43 |
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| minute | uh oh > WirePlumber changed its configuration format in version 0.5 from .lua to .conf | 19:50 |
| sigrid | ah great | 19:50 |
| sigrid | (not?) | 19:51 |
| minute | hm https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2022/10/27/from-lua-to-json-refactoring-wireplumber-configuration-system/ | 19:52 |
| _hramrach | On my old x86 notebook I had to swithch pipewire to the 'pro' mode because those profiles are broken | 19:52 |
| sigrid | wireplumber should have used smalltalk or lisp for their configuration | 19:52 |
| sigrid | with a repl to change it on the fly | 19:53 |
| _hramrach | no no no, prolog all the way | 19:53 |
| sigrid | yeah, why not | 19:53 |
| minute | haha | 19:54 |
| minute | ok it kind of sounds like i could write wireplumber profiles...? https://pipewire.pages.freedesktop.org/wireplumber/daemon/configuration/components_and_profiles.html#profiles | 19:54 |
| _hramrach | I hate smalltalk becase it comes with its own very specific GUI. I saw that, ran away. If you want me to use that thing to write the code I can as well write it on paper. | 19:54 |
| minute | but all of this is very abstract, so no idea how this maps to switching between headphones and speakers etc | 19:55 |
| _hramrach | The problem with these profiles is you need to have a database of every revision or every piece of hardware. There is always some hardware that does not work. | 19:56 |
| sigrid | _hramrach: smalltalk as a language maybe doesn't really have a GUI. an implementation may or may not have it | 19:56 |
| minute | fancy https://github.com/dimtpap/coppwr | 19:57 |
| _hramrach | those optional features. You know, significant whitespace in python is completely optional | 19:57 |
| minute | ok i guess i will stay with UCM for now because at least i made it do something useful | 19:57 |
| _hramrach | sing an USB sound card significanly improves your chances, there are not nearly as many variants as there are of the embedded ones | 19:59 |
| jfred | guess it's irrelevant now but I bet you could've used fennel to write the old lua configuration for wireplumber :) | 20:02 |
| jfred | (incidentally I'm using a version of pipewire and wireplumber from guix on my Pocket rather than the stock Debian ones, so I guess I should keep an eye on what happens here XD) | 20:03 |
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| staticbunny | is the turn around time for the pocket reform upgrade kit still 2 months? | 21:27 |
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