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| ch | fun https://github.com/SanCloudLtd/qcacld-2.0/commit/3ef2daad794743d663cd37590d332b889b5a9f55#diff-e106914eb254ae2a8c31349bedf4dff6464e6b480ded91a8dc952c52a7938f69 | 00:06 |
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| ch | building qcacld on sdcard takes forever | 00:25 |
| minute | ch: is this a new version? :3 | 00:26 |
| ch | minute: looks like! | 00:28 |
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| ch | i think the qcacld builds are accidentially debug builds | 01:18 |
| ch | but its late, tomorrow then | 01:18 |
| ^alex | ACTION clangs together some debug cymbals | 01:21 |
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| aperezdc | minute: morning! I remember you were asking some time ago about some compiler that would generate wasm and run on an Amiga? well, I just stumbled upon this today: https://github.com/false-schemers/wcpl | 09:42 |
| aperezdc | it can compile itself to wasm, so worst case one could run the wasm version on an Amiga, I guess | 09:43 |
| aperezdc | ACTION doesn't have the Amiga at hand right now, could try it out in the coming days | 09:43 |
| aperezdc | (and sorry about the offtopic, I couldn't find the fedi thread back to reply there) | 09:44 |
| minute | aperezdc: oh wow, thanks a lot | 09:55 |
| minute | aperezdc: there is also #mnt-amiga but it is quite quiet at the moment :D | 09:55 |
| aperezdc | you're welcome, I'm joining the other channel to lurk in there as well =) | 09:58 |
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| ch | minute: if you have time, please check/merge https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/12 | 11:10 |
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| josch | what application do you use to look at step files on your reform? freecad seems to be unusably slow on bigger models... | 11:50 |
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| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:04 | |
| amospalla | josch: I remember you were having a conversation a few days ago about how to track Pocket Debian stable issues. I'm willing to move from the stock Sid to Bookworm, hopefully I can help with something. | 14:04 |
| amospalla | Or should I just go the appropiate repository on Gitlab? | 14:06 |
| + mtm (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:07 | |
| amospalla | Ah great, you already wrote on the forums. Thank you. | 14:07 |
| amospalla | minute: please could you approve my user on gitlab? "amospalla". | 14:09 |
| amospalla | Is there a wiki under mnt.re where I we can write these notes while their issues get resolved? | 14:16 |
| josch | amospalla: there are the gitlab wikis for every repo. I've written a few pages into this one: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/wikis/pages | 14:18 |
| amospalla | thank you | 14:25 |
| jfred | Finally ordered another run of my custom Pocket Reform backplates last night, this one was more expensive... but if it fits I'll be happy | 16:06 |
| minute | josch: freecad is the go-to option but another non foss option is the free version of onshape.com (runs in browser) | 17:11 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 18:08 | |
| ryukazou | Kioxia 4TB drive worked on pocket reform | 18:29 |
| ryukazou | Double sided | 18:29 |
| minute | the mail to openmoko bounced, so i've now requested USB PIDs with pid.codes https://github.com/pidcodes/pidcodes.github.com/pull/972 | 18:30 |
| minute | ryukazou: nice! that's a lot of storage | 18:30 |
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| ryukazou | I will move all my movie collection from VHS era to blue ray era to pocket reform, it’s about 2.5TB. | 18:33 |
| ryukazou | Pocket reform feels more comfortable to watch movies when lying down than tablet. | 18:36 |
| ryukazou | Bonus point: trackball is great to use on slider bar. | 18:41 |
| minute | ryukazou: oh that's very interesting. because it has a built in stand? | 18:41 |
| + aloo_shu (~aloo_shu@85.51.18.8) | 18:41 | |
| ryukazou | minute: yeah, I have to hold my tablet when I lying down, even with a case that has built-in stand it isn’t stable enough. | 18:45 |
| josch | minute: the motherboard 2.0 and 2.5 lpc of classic reform is not part of your pidcodes pull request? | 18:46 |
| ryukazou | I can just put pocket reform on my belly and it won’t move at all, I could have free hand for snacks. | 18:46 |
| ch | minute: rpi also has a PID assignment for rpi2040 based products, did you see that? | 18:48 |
| ch | https://git.codelinaro.org/clo/external-wlan/qcacld-2.0/-/commits/v4.5.25.66/?ref_type=tags this might be "the" source tree for qcacld-2.0 | 18:51 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 18:58 | |
| amospalla | minute: please approve my gitlab account. | 19:34 |
| dozens | i approve of gitlab | 19:44 |
| Sario | Reform Next question: is the trackpad going to be replaceable/changeable? | 19:48 |
| vagrantc | ACTION would be shocked if that were not the case | 19:50 |
| josch | Sario: you can change literally everything -- the question is more "for what" and "how much effort does it take". What is your use-case? | 19:52 |
| Sario | josch: I really dislike trackpads, so I was wondering how much effort it would take to remove it to use that space for something else | 19:55 |
| josch | Sario: removing it would probably just be a few screws | 19:56 |
| vagrantc | was there really no room for a trackball? i am surprised how much i like the trackball on the mnt/reform (classic?) | 19:57 |
| Sario | Is the trackpad directly connected to the motherboard, or does it have it's own board? | 19:57 |
| josch | vagrantc: below the trackpad is the motherboard and the cpu module | 19:57 |
| Sario | Ah. that answers my question | 19:58 |
| robin | (trackpoint would be very nice to have...istr some relevant patents expired recently) | 19:58 |
| josch | this is why the trackpad buttons in the reform-next cannot even have the usual kailh choc switches | 19:58 |
| josch | robin: with keyboard 4.0 it became very easy to experiment with trackpoint options -- there is a forum thread about that | 19:59 |
| robin | josch, oh, good to know, ty | 19:59 |
| josch | robin: https://community.mnt.re/t/another-alternate-keyboard-idea/1915/5 | 20:00 |
| vagrantc | josch: ah, so it really requires something very flat to fit ... | 20:00 |
| josch | yes, and even if the motherboard and cpu module was not located there, if you have a look at your classic reform you will see that its height is mainly limited by the trackball | 20:01 |
| josch | vagrantc: i mean the classic reform trackball module literally touches the bottom acrylic :) | 20:01 |
| Sario | ACTION wonders if there's a fan thin enough to fit in that space | 20:01 |
| josch | you'd want to install one? | 20:02 |
| robin | https://community.mnt.re/t/another-alternate-keyboard-idea/1915 for reference | 20:02 |
| robin | er, nm, thanks josch | 20:02 |
| vagrantc | josch: the pocket reform one looks much smaller | 20:02 |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-2337524e.019-141-67626730.bbcust.telenor.se) | 20:02 | |
| josch | vagrantc: yes, it is -- i didn't check the CAD files whether that one would be tiny enough | 20:03 |
| Sario | josch: it's mildly irrational, but I dislike not having some form of active cooling | 20:03 |
| vagrantc | just seemed like a signature mnt/reform feature so i was a little surprised, though the answer may be obvious :) | 20:03 |
| josch | Sario: unfortunately in your case, the motherboard is mounted the wrong way round | 20:04 |
| josch | Sario: the CPU is at the bottom, using the case itself as the heat-spreader | 20:05 |
| Sario | Ah | 20:05 |
| josch | vagrantc: you are not alone -- it's a common comment in the fedi announcement of the next | 20:05 |
| vagrantc | next looks awesome ... was also surprised by the 4s2p battery pack ... presumably also makes it easier to do 4s1p | 20:07 |
| Sario | Either way, I'm excited for the Next. | 20:08 |
| robin | reform next could be great with an x200s-like setup ^_^ (good trackpoint, three buttons, that's it) | 20:11 |
| robin | although i think i'll be getting a pocket reform for that rare "fits-in-purse" feature | 20:11 |
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| mjw | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/09/all-open-source-mnt-reform-laptop-is-getting-a-sequel-with-a-refined-design/ | 20:12 |
| mjw | Pretty ok given I really hated ars original "review". | 20:15 |
| robin | (maaaybe a gpd pocket 3 if the pocket reform is too thick for my bag's "tablet pocket", or if the extra inch of screen really makes a difference in testing -- and i'd find some uses for the serial port ;) -- but the pocket looks just about perfect) | 20:16 |
| ch | josch: ideas for https://salsa.debian.org/reform-team/reform-debian-packages/-/issues/8 ? | 20:23 |
| robin | (also i think it's safe to assume that the gpd's keyboard will be terrible in comparison, and the stylus is probably the only useful "mouse") | 20:30 |
| amospalla | josch: which repository should I create wiki pages on, for noting down things like manually extract Pocket wireless firmware files? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image maybe? | 20:32 |
| robin | ACTION looks for a book with similar dimensions to the pocket reform | 20:33 |
| amospalla | Or any other temporary fixes needed until they get fixed somewhere else? | 20:33 |
| amospalla | Should be useful opening an issue in this repo about needed changes on Debian/stable for greetd to use tuigreet, and sudoers line for tuigreet to be able to poweroff/reboot? | 20:36 |
| ch | greetd: no, the change is already understood but waiting on the maintainer https://salsa.debian.org/debian/greetd/-/merge_requests/5 | 20:37 |
| ch | ah tuigreet, not the broken shell | 20:38 |
| ch | i think tuigreet is waiting for reform-setup-wizard | 20:38 |
| amospalla | yes, so debian/stable has the same behaviour as debian/sid (current stock) | 20:39 |
| minute | stop the presses, we got USB PIDs! https://pid.codes/1209/ from 0x6d00 | 20:39 |
| minute | (0x6d is the hex code for the letter 'm') | 20:40 |
| ch | \o\ \o/ /o/ | 20:40 |
| amospalla | ch: so tuigreet will be used onc reform-setup-wizard runs on debian/stable as it does on stock(sid) right? | 20:40 |
| ch | minute: i created a tracking issue for usb pids / fwupd the other day https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/issues/4 - in case you have known stuff... | 20:41 |
| ch | amospalla: i think reform-setup-wizard is the piece that sets up greetd, so ttbomk yes | 20:42 |
| amospalla | Also, IIRC, tuigreet is configured with plain commands like "poweroff" and "reboot" and does not work. I manually modified tuigreet to use 'sudo poweroff' and 'sudo reboot' and added a sudoers line for _greetd to be able to run them without password, with that the user can do these actions from the login console. | 20:43 |
| amospalla | Should I open an issue with that? | 20:43 |
| ch | i wonder if greetd shouldnt use systemctl/logind to do that, as it then wouldnt need root to do that? but idk | 20:44 |
| robin | oo, this could be interesting if there's a status update (screen replacement for the pocket): https://community.mnt.re/t/a-bigger-screen-and-transparent-panels-and-bezel/1511 | 20:45 |
| ch | amospalla: issue for fixing reboot/shutdown in tuigreet seems like a good idea, regardless of the approach | 20:47 |
| amospalla | ch: right! plain systemctl poweroff does it, no need for sudoers (: | 20:49 |
| ch | ah nice | 20:50 |
| ch | maybe file a debian bug, so josch can set that as default for debian :D | 20:50 |
| amospalla | Ok, so the correct path would be, filling a debian bug, and link it to a source.mnt.re issue, or should I ignore the later? | 20:52 |
| ch | personally i would send upstream a PR, and open a tracking issue on source.mnt.re so it doesn't get lost, and then followup as needed | 20:57 |
| amospalla | thank you, I've never done these things, I appreciate your advice. | 21:00 |
| ch | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1081336 bmap-tools ftbfs :| | 21:57 |
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| josch | ch: yes, i know what is going on with https://salsa.debian.org/reform-team/reform-debian-packages/-/issues/8 -- i'll fix it | 22:22 |
| josch | amospalla: yes, the problem with using the gitlab wikis is, that it is not quite clear where to put the information | 22:22 |
| josch | minute: nooooo! 0x6D (M) was my favourite usb vendor id for my "Mister-Muffin" -> MM branding ;) | 22:24 |
| josch | amospalla: reform-setup-wizard will not run on bookworm, probably ever | 22:25 |
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| robin | minute, congrats on the pid allocation :) | 22:36 |
| _hramrach | The 'recover hung GPU' does not recover hung GPU, probably not enough is known about it to unghang it. Quite common problem not limited to Arm | 22:36 |
| ch | josch: you can still buy vid 0x6d6d :D | 22:38 |
| josch | muhaha ;) | 22:38 |
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| josch | chartreuse, vagrantc: you are one of the few im8mq users in this room -- would you mind participating in an experiment? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/issues/29#note_10515 | 22:58 |
| josch | essentially, revisit "dpms off" which in the past lead to random lock-ups while idle and was thus replaced by "brightnessctl -s 0" | 22:58 |
| josch | i've now been running swayidle with 'swaymsg "output * dpms off"' and didn't get a lock-up yet | 22:59 |
| josch | maybe $something changed and now the issue is magically gone? | 22:59 |
| vagrantc | i am not sure i even have a screen locker configured ... i do not use it nearly enough ... | 23:08 |
| vagrantc | maybe with rk3588 with 32gb of ram that will change :) | 23:08 |
| grimmware | oh man it is so good to be able to look at the pocket schematic locally on the pocket now | 23:38 |
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