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| minute | ^alex: also happy belated bday from me | 00:07 |
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| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 00:57 | |
| ^alex | thanks :) | 01:02 |
| + Gooberpatrol_66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 01:29 | |
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| + mtm (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 02:06 | |
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| + bkeys1 (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 02:29 | |
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| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 02:31 | |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 02:46 | |
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| * mark_ -> mjw | 03:07 | |
| + Guest7926 (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 03:07 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 03:08 | |
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| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 06:53 | |
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| + aloo_shu (~aloo_shu@90.166.98.132) | 07:27 | |
| henesy | seems bluetooth sometimes starts and works and sometimes doesnt and rebooting seems to re roll those dice | 09:02 |
| henesy | hmmmMMmMMmmmmM | 09:02 |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-bd37524e.019-141-67626730.bbcust.telenor.se) | 10:02 | |
| - mlarkin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~mlarkin@syn-047-036-115-056.res.spectrum.com) | 10:38 | |
| ch | josch: the images linked from https://reform.debian.net/images/ and from https://reform.debian.net/d-i/ have the same names and sizes? | 11:54 |
| ch | josch: at least _after_ downloading them this is very confusing | 11:54 |
| ch | josch: also i think the sizes given on the d-i page are wrong | 11:54 |
| - Asmadeus (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~asmadeus@user/meow/Asmadeus) | 11:57 | |
| + Asmadeus (~asmadeus@user/meow/Asmadeus) | 12:13 | |
| ch | huh, my pocket now shows a lonely 'T' on the menu display, and doesnt boot | 12:43 |
| + reform23314 (~test@185.64.41.104) | 12:44 | |
| reform23314 | quit | 12:45 |
| reform23314 | c | 12:45 |
| - reform23314 (QUIT: Client Quit) (~test@185.64.41.104) | 12:45 | |
| ch | ah T indeed means 'timeout' and probably by that 'timeout talking to sysctl' | 12:45 |
| ch | josch: the pocket system image turns on the display and starts booting. it however also runs fsck on first boot which seems bad | 12:46 |
| ch | josch: wayland/greetd seem broken; console vt works | 12:48 |
| ch | josch: greetd is not broken, it just looks confusing with the default setup. wayfire is not installed, sway seems fine | 12:56 |
| ch | josch: qcacld_wlan doesnt load | 12:56 |
| + mlarkin (~mlarkin@syn-047-036-115-056.res.spectrum.com) | 13:10 | |
| minute | ch: are these bugs of official image or stable image? | 13:45 |
| * Guest7926 -> mjw | 14:01 | |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:03 | |
| + mtm (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:05 | |
| sevan | henesy: re steam, usig a combination of box86 + the 32bit ARM binary support (armhf) in Debian, you can run Steam | 14:51 |
| sevan | henesy: except when things go out of sync package wise & you update. I have up to date arm64 components installed, but their corresponding armhf counterparts are lagging behind, but that's more about packaging issues (it works when everything lines up) | 14:53 |
| sevan | henesy: looks like you already took a shot at it, looking at the forum :) (just catching up, didn't read the scrollback here) | 14:55 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 14:59 | |
| vkoskiv | Not sure how I only learned about termux very recently. (terminal emulator for Android) | 15:22 |
| vkoskiv | Turned a tragic, practically e-waste android tablet into an actually useful device | 15:22 |
| sevan | nice, I installed a community android build on a 2012 nexus 7, when idle UI was really responsive but I guess it needs a new battery since playing video would cause it to go out of sync. didn't try SSH. The bluetooth keyboard I have for it stopped responding to keypresses. | 15:28 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:40 | |
| * mjw -> Guest4628 | 15:40 | |
| - Guest4628 (QUIT: Killed (lithium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))) (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 15:40 | |
| * mark_ -> mjw | 15:40 | |
| + Guest4628 (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 15:41 | |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@45.146.10.36) | 16:02 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 16:20 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 16:20 | |
| - midfavila (QUIT: Quit: Lost terminal) (midfavila@sdf.org) | 16:31 | |
| - andypiper (QUIT: Quit: My device has gone to sleep. Zzzz…) (~andypiper@45.146.10.36) | 16:48 | |
| dozens | how can i find my local ip address? pocket doesn't seem to have ifconfig installed.. | 17:08 |
| xha | ip a | 17:08 |
| dozens | thanks! | 17:08 |
| xha | np :) | 17:09 |
| dozens | and how do i enable the ssh server? i keep getting ssh.service does not exist, and sshd.service not found. do i need to install openssh or something? | 17:15 |
| amospalla | dozens: apt-get install openssh-server | 17:16 |
| amospalla | you probably have not it installed | 17:16 |
| dozens | cool thank you | 17:16 |
| amospalla | What is the logic of uboot from a user standpoint in a Pocket? Specially related to changing the installed O.S. in emmc. | 17:17 |
| amospalla | I'm just guessing here, but is it correct that uboot needs those boot.scr, and some other files (except for the linux kernel) in the first partition (ext4 /boot) ? | 17:18 |
| sevan | amospalla: do you mean in terms of what is its boot sequence? | 17:18 |
| amospalla | sevan: yes, too, but say I want to play with debian stable on my pocket, what should I copy where? | 17:19 |
| amospalla | Probably I should rsync as-is / volume, but what about /boot? Should I rsync it as-is, or should I leave things for uboot in there? | 17:20 |
| amospalla | Probably uboot just boot things as any other loader, so the provided /boot in the image is expected to be copied as-is to my local /boot partition. | 17:21 |
| amospalla | Said otherwise, dd'ing the raw image to my emmc should work? | 17:22 |
| sevan | amospalla: I guess that would work but it's a bit of a steam-roller. | 17:28 |
| sevan | I believe the stable images are prepared so you just dd to an sd card and boot. | 17:29 |
| amospalla | There is a reform-migrate tool, I'm reading it. I'm asking to mostly to understand how things work, so I can easily backup, and go back and forth with the current debian/sid and debian/stable any time. | 17:29 |
| amospalla | Thank you :) | 17:30 |
| sevan | the reform-flash-uboot will take care of dd'ing the u-boot image for you but basically, hardware expects to read from a specific offset and then the boot.scr is the "boot script" which contains the environment config for what do on start | 17:32 |
| amospalla | Good, then, at any time, /boot could be wiped, and I could recover from that with a new image or a backup. | 17:35 |
| sevan | the rest of the contents of /boot are for loading linux & booting (kernel + initrd.img + device tree) | 17:37 |
| amospalla | I see, thank you again. | 17:39 |
| dozens | nice, i have set up my ssh keys and played a little minetest | 17:41 |
| dozens | this keyboard is going to take a little getting used to | 17:42 |
| dozens | but i like it! | 17:42 |
| amospalla | It is a very fun machine. | 17:49 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Quit: bkeys) (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 17:52 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 17:52 | |
| - cobra (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~cobra@user/Cobra) | 18:03 | |
| dozens | i keep wanting to hinge it all the way open and thumb type on it like a way too big blackberry | 18:07 |
| + bkeys1 (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 18:08 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Quit: bkeys) (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 18:08 | |
| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 18:08 | |
| sevan | I wonder with GCC 14 landing in Debian unstable, this will trigger a rebuild of things on the armhf side / push fixing the build issue. | 18:17 |
| + cobra (~cobra@user/Cobra) | 18:22 | |
| ch | minute: stable image | 18:47 |
| ch | josch: i think on stable the dtb is wrong a lot. not sure why. i'll try to get logs off it | 18:51 |
| ch | josch: journalctl from stable: https://per.namespace.at/~ch/journalctl-pocket-stable.txt | 19:05 |
| + Guest93 (~Guest93@p200300ecff0b2c00647634040f56d726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 19:07 | |
| ch | josch: after copying fw files into the right place, qcacld_wlan aborts with 'VOS ASSERT in vos_preStart Line 1008'; maybe the files i copied are the wrong firmware. not sure where the fw should come from | 19:14 |
| amospalla | ch, I'm talking from memory, I tried stable time ago, and something happened with the wlan firmware, something that josch resolved, maybe you are pasting this from a stock image without updating packages? | 19:16 |
| ch | given i have no wifi... yes | 19:17 |
| ch | well, image downloaded today | 19:17 |
| ch | so i was hoping it contains the newest bits | 19:17 |
| - Guest93 (QUIT: Quit: Client closed) (~Guest93@p200300ecff0b2c00647634040f56d726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 19:20 | |
| amospalla | I don't really know if the current image has been updated since what I describe. | 19:21 |
| ch | josch: the d-i image doesnt seem to boot at all ; cant tell right now if it gets ignored by uboot or sth else | 19:25 |
| amospalla | ch: does /usr/lib/firmware/otp30.bin exist on your debian stable? | 19:29 |
| ch | no | 19:29 |
| amospalla | locate it: find /usr/lib/firmware -name otp30.bin | 19:30 |
| ch | yeah its not there | 19:30 |
| ch | i copied it over from the mnt image, but i think then its probably the wrong version | 19:31 |
| amospalla | you have no otp30.bin anywhere? | 19:31 |
| amospalla | oh well, maybe I copied it manually also, I don't remember what I did. | 19:31 |
| amospalla | ch: found it, josch sent me this: http://file.amospalla.es/ezurio-qcacld-2.0-dkms_0.0~git20230623.2cd31b6-4_all.deb, and IIRC it made it work. | 19:34 |
| amospalla | Anyway, you should not trust installing a kernel module from me, I'm sure the download link should be somewhere in the irc logs. | 19:35 |
| ch | amospalla: right thats the driver .deb - this is included in the image now | 19:35 |
| amospalla | you have that exactly package installed? | 19:35 |
| amospalla | If so, at this point, I don't now how to help. On my debian stable, I see right now that apt wants to upgrade kernel, from 6.7.12-reform2 to 6.10.6-reform. The thing is, there is no qcacld2 package in the apt packages to install, and I would say that package is needed for wlan. | 19:40 |
| ch | ok something is off. will explore a bit more | 19:41 |
| ch | on the unstable image i think the package is called differently | 19:41 |
| amospalla | Still, the qcacld version is not a kernel like version, so it just builds the kernel. Do you have an ethernet cable or usb-ethernet adapter? | 19:41 |
| amospalla | I'll upgrade my kernel and check if qcacld package/dkms does its magic and wifi works with an upgraded kernel, something that you should be able to replicate. | 19:42 |
| ch | ezurio-qcacld-2.0-dkms 0.0~git20240408.aa96a9f+dfsg-1~bpo12+1 is installed | 19:43 |
| ch | i think the ethernet is also unhappy, but cant check atm | 19:43 |
| amospalla | I have this one installed: ezurio-qcacld-2.0-dkms_0.0~git20230623.2cd31b6-4_all.deb, not the same as yours. | 19:43 |
| ch | yeah. i can try downgrading it later | 19:44 |
| ch | josch: how/where do you want to keep track of the issues for stable? | 19:45 |
| amospalla | ch: ok, found it, look for "HXT" string in https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2024-07-04.log.html . | 19:45 |
| amospalla | That's the link for the deb I gave you, but the josch link, not mine. dpkg -i that one, should work. | 19:47 |
| ch | amospalla: can you paste me an md5sum of your otp30.bin, qwlan30.bin, bdwlan30.bin, qcom_cfg.ini? | 19:47 |
| sevan | wondered about mlvwm as a light weight classic macos like WM, but it looks like it's not packaged in Debian (license?) and it uses imake to build (not packaged because ancient?). | 19:47 |
| ch | i think we have imake | 19:48 |
| ch | part of xutils-dev | 19:48 |
| sevan | ahh, thanks, I was trying 'imake' | 19:48 |
| sevan | Error: Unable to locate package imake | 19:48 |
| ch | i'll let you in on this trick: http://packages.debian.org/file:imake | 19:49 |
| minute | sevan: does xorg work on your machine? | 19:49 |
| minute | haven't tried xorg in a long time... | 19:49 |
| amospalla | ch: I think you still need that specific version of qcacld installed. | 19:49 |
| amospalla | ch: https://paste.debian.net/1328068/ | 19:51 |
| sevan | minute: I tried originally to build the entire bundle using another packaging manager and I could spawn the xorg gui (the default pattern wallpaper showed) however xorg on linux required libinput support and the packaging system didn't A) support xorg on linux B) wasn't aware of libinput. I'd sidestepped the issue | 19:52 |
| sevan | this was when I first got my reform, almost 2 years ago now :) | 19:52 |
| ch | amospalla: thanks | 19:53 |
| sevan | ch: thanks for the pointer, very useful :) | 19:53 |
| sevan | minute: also, good point, wasn't even thinking about wayland. | 19:55 |
| amospalla | ch: these files exist on reform-qcacld2 package. But the files must be moved for them to work (to the paths I pasted before). | 19:58 |
| sevan | minute: turns out I kept that build of xorg around and just tried to run startx whilst on my gnome desktop in wayland. loaded X11, I could see the default 3 terminals, then the screen went blank & I couldn't switch terminals :D | 20:10 |
| sevan | so I guess the lesson there is one windowing system at a time. | 20:11 |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Quit: Konversation terminated!) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 21:06 | |
| Twodisbetter | minute: do you know if there is a display that would work on the pocket that includes a touchscreen functiunality? It would be a huge boost if we could find one that was compatible. | 21:07 |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 21:07 | |
| - aloo_shu (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 7.1") (~aloo_shu@90.166.98.132) | 21:23 | |
| + aloo_shu (~aloo_shu@90.166.98.132) | 21:25 | |
| josch | ch: i was afk the whole day and have to read a number of backlogs. But even before I'm done doing that: reform.d.n bugs affecting the pocket reform are interesting but they are not really actionable for me because i cannot fix them. If you want to fix them, maybe think about where you'd like to keep track of them. Maybe the salsa issue tracker? | 21:35 |
| + Gooberpatrol_66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:04 | |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:05 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 22:11 | |
| - gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-bd37524e.019-141-67626730.bbcust.telenor.se) | 22:15 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 22:19 | |
| jfred | I've just gotten a brainworm in my head about slapping the Pocket keyboard onto the back of a Steam Deck with some sort of clever sliding hinge design to turn it into a stand while it's open. My mechanical engineering knowledge is definitely not at that level though haha | 22:38 |
| jfred | The bottom half of the Pocket fits nicely in between the controller grips though | 22:38 |
| josch | ch: good spotting of the wrong sizes -- this is fixed now and the sizes should be correct after the next run tomorrow | 22:51 |
| josch | ch: qcacld_wlan doesnt load because its firmware is still in NEW | 22:52 |
| josch | ch: regarding the dtb, note that the linux patches on reform.d.n are at the state of commit 03874481919cf12061d3385e7fde21e810a0e762 from August 7 which misses quite a few reform fixes that lukas recently pushed | 22:58 |
| josch | ch: "i was hoping it contains the newest bits" no, reform.d.n does not automatically use the latest commit in the reform-system-image and reform-debian-package repos -- i have to manually update them | 22:59 |
| josch | ch: the next build on reform.d.n will build with the current reform-debian-packages main branch and also build pocket-reform-system-rk3588 and reform-next-system-rk3588 images | 23:24 |
| - Guest4628 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 23:24 | |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@45.146.10.36) | 23:40 | |
| + Guest4628 (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 23:43 | |
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