| josch | minute: system images for reform-next: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/5669/artifacts/browse | 00:01 |
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| minute | josch: niiice | 00:34 |
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| josch | minute: i just had somebody complain that https://source.mnt.re advertises being reachable via ipv6 but is then not reachable via it | 09:52 |
| josch | more specifically, tracepath 2a01:4f8:c012:ada7::1 succeeds but then curl -6 https://source.mnt.re does not | 09:55 |
| minute | josch: hmm ok, can look into it when i'm at the company | 10:00 |
| josch | the person who reported it is on an ipv6-only network | 10:03 |
| josch | i'm on an ipv4-only network but i can test this by ssh-ing into debian infra if needed | 10:04 |
| minute | i'm too old to understand ipv6 so i will look if i can remove the dns entry | 10:05 |
| josch | oh no i sometimes think the same XD | 10:07 |
| josch | i think^Whope it might get better once my home or work network can even do ipv6 in the first place | 10:07 |
| josch | at uni, our office computers even have a public ipv4 address because universities just own huge address blocks... | 10:08 |
| minute | wow :D | 10:08 |
| minute | one can't paste a ipv6 address into chromium's address bar it seems? | 10:09 |
| josch | clearly, google doesn't want you to use address bars anymore but just go to the place you want by googling for it ;) | 10:11 |
| minute | i think i fixed it now for ipv6 | 10:16 |
| minute | mntmn@reform:~$ curl -6 https://source.mnt.re | 10:16 |
| minute | <html><body>You are being <a href="https://source.mnt.re/users/sign_in">redirected</a>.</body></html> | 10:16 |
| josch | haha! | 10:16 |
| josch | yes, this looks different now (from my ipv6 debian host) | 10:17 |
| minute | this was an issue with the gitlab default config | 10:17 |
| josch | oh? | 10:17 |
| minute | gitlab has a default setting for nginx['listen_address'] in gitlab.rb but it is somehow wrong. setting it explicitly worked | 10:19 |
| minute | listen_addresses | 10:19 |
| josch | good that the fix was relatively easy | 10:19 |
| minute | yeah | 10:20 |
| josch | tells you something about ipv6 adoption if the issue was open for that long :D | 10:20 |
| minute | yeah... | 10:20 |
| josch | minute: since you are currently mucking with gitlab: if you create a 2024-07-26 tag for the reform/reform repo, then i can work on the reform-firmware package for Debian :) | 10:20 |
| josch | you merged https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/merge_requests/70 (thank you!) but apparently MRs do not add tags | 10:21 |
| minute | ohh | 10:22 |
| minute | josch: you want 2024-07-26 and not 2024-08-23 yes? | 10:22 |
| josch | minute: yes, because that is what the MR you merged put into the firmware | 10:22 |
| josch | like, the string you can see on the OLED | 10:23 |
| minute | ok, tag pushed | 10:23 |
| josch | thank you! | 10:23 |
| ch | source.mnt.re works for me over ipv6 | 10:23 |
| minute | (i didn't actually go to the company yet, still having breakfast, _but_ i have a capable rk3588 laptop!) | 10:23 |
| ch | and has worked fine for the last weeks | 10:23 |
| minute | ch: hmm weird | 10:23 |
| josch | minute: i just got confirmation from the reporter that ipv6 works now :) | 10:23 |
| xha | minute: btw, you have to put the ipv6 address in brackets in URL's, for example [fe80::1] instead of fe80::1 | 10:24 |
| josch | ch: according to "curl -6" on coccia.d.o it did not work before | 10:24 |
| ch | 'oh well' :) | 10:24 |
| josch | minute: and i was told to pass on their thanks :) | 10:24 |
| minute | xha: ohhh now that works | 10:25 |
| minute | josch: they're welcome :D | 10:25 |
| josch | :) | 10:25 |
| josch | minute: the CI pipeline for the tag you created failed because i failed to add an entry for the new version to reform2-keyboard-fw/CHANGELOG.md -- unless you object, i'm going to ignore this until the next tag | 10:28 |
| minute | ok :3 | 10:29 |
| minute | from #linux-rockchip: > <diederik>It actually happened ... rk3588 support in TF-A was merged \o/ | 10:30 |
| josch | hah, i just had a conversation about rk3588 firmware over in #debian-arm :D | 10:31 |
| josch | now we juuuuust have to figure out whether we are allowed to distribute the blobs this time round... ;) | 10:32 |
| minute | oh :D | 10:32 |
| josch | yeah, i got some unhelpful comments along the lines of "just add some 32 MB SPI flash onto your board and put your blobs there!" | 10:32 |
| minute | lol | 10:34 |
| minute | just decompile the blobs with ghidra and let chatgpt rewrite them in a different style, then recompile, ... profit | 10:37 |
| ch | does tf-a include vendor blobs then? | 10:38 |
| ch | (or what was the redist problem about?) | 10:38 |
| minute | i think normally blobs are mixed in during some uboot build step | 10:38 |
| minute | on most modern (fast) socs that i've seen except layerscape, there's some ddr4/5 training blob | 10:40 |
| minute | unrelated: does bunnie/xobs' precursor have some sort of forum/community? i couldn't find anything. i was curious what people do with the device | 10:43 |
| minute | or IRC | 10:43 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: I have one, and I am also kind of interested in the same question. | 10:55 |
| minute | Twodisbetter: did you do anything interesting with it? | 10:55 |
| minute | can one use it as a messenger, for example, or for irc? | 10:55 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: apparently it has a signal client integrated | 10:58 |
| minute | oh | 10:58 |
| Twodisbetter | the whole thing is basically stuck in the TTL | 10:58 |
| Twodisbetter | but I have just not had the time to figure it out. | 10:58 |
| Twodisbetter | It is very nicely built and solid though | 10:59 |
| gsora | minute: i contribute to betrusted/precursor, lmk if you want to know anything! | 11:02 |
| gsora | we usually hang out in the project's matrix space | 11:02 |
| gsora | i developed a PoC for an IRC client a couple years back i think? i did it mainly to get accustomed with the environment, and it also served for networking stack debugging | 11:08 |
| gsora | i use mine as a secure vault, kind of like a secure enclave on steroids | 11:09 |
| gsora | and i'm working on the side on a bespoke TEE implementation that (if everything goes well) will run wasm applets | 11:09 |
| minute | cool | 11:11 |
| minute | that's neat @ wasm | 11:12 |
| gsora | yeah, there's potential with that thing | 11:12 |
| minute | what kind of messengers can one interact with atm? | 11:12 |
| gsora | the most advanced at the moment is sigchat: https://github.com/betrusted-io/sigchat | 11:12 |
| minute | neat | 11:13 |
| gsora | i did not try it myself because i'm not interested that much in the messenger part | 11:13 |
| gsora | there has been a substantial effort by the authors though, i've watched it going from nothing to something that actually interacts with signal | 11:14 |
| gsora | fingers crossed, if you see someone at FOSDEM 2025 with an mnt reform and a precursor, it's me :^) | 11:18 |
| minute | gsora: cool :D i should go to fosdem again! | 11:19 |
| gsora | this might be my first one :) never been a huge conference person, but this time i might have some friends with me | 11:20 |
| + mjw (~mjw@185.59.39.53) | 11:40 | |
| grimmware | morning :) | 11:49 |
| josch | _o/ | 11:58 |
| josch | everybody happy with their reform-tools 1.52? no further regressions? :) | 11:58 |
| amospalla | I upgraded today, rebooted, everything ok. | 12:02 |
| amospalla | reform-check says I can update my uboot. Is that safe? | 12:03 |
| josch | amospalla: what platform? | 12:07 |
| amospalla | josch: on a pocket. | 12:12 |
| amospalla | Today I discovered I can install upower and it will giver me the remaining estimated battery time. | 12:13 |
| josch | amospalla: uh oh, you should not get this message -- can you pastebin the complete output of "sudo reform-check" somewhere? | 12:14 |
| amospalla | josch: https://paste.debian.net/1327292/ | 12:20 |
| amospalla | Maybe I cutted down too much text, tell me if so. | 12:20 |
| josch | oooh /boot/flash.bin | 12:21 |
| josch | that is just a file | 12:21 |
| josch | it will not flash anything | 12:22 |
| amospalla | josch: it then asks to execute /usr/sbin/reform-flash-uboot, which says that will "Download latest u-boot for the current platform and update /boot/flash.bin" "Then flash u-boot to DEVICE which can be one of the short-hands sd or emmc." | 12:23 |
| amospalla | reform-check checks if files equal, else asks the user to run reform-flash-uboot, which runs parted (to do checks) and dd (to do raw update). | 12:25 |
| josch | amospalla: no, reform-flash-uboot in your case will (should) only update /boot/flash.bin | 12:27 |
| amospalla | oh, thank you very much | 12:28 |
| josch | so in your case it should tell you that on your platform it cannot flash u-boot | 12:28 |
| amospalla | thank you again | 12:31 |
| josch | if it doesn't work like that, please ping me again :) | 12:31 |
| amospalla | josch: I just ran it without arguments, it show help and exits. Help includes "Without arguments only /boot/flash.bin will be updated unless --offline is given.", but I ran it without any argument and it did not update, but show help. | 12:34 |
| amospalla | I'm not forcing this tool, scares me a bit these kind of upgrades. | 12:35 |
| amospalla | josch: https://paste.debian.net/1327294/ | 12:35 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~mjw@185.59.39.53) | 12:39 | |
| josch | amospalla: thank you, it seems you found a bug! | 12:44 |
| josch | the pocket is the first platform where reform-flash-uboot should do nothing, so bugs are expected i guess :) | 12:44 |
| minute | btw other people are running into the gtk3/waybar crash issue https://github.com/Alexays/Waybar/issues/3542 | 12:49 |
| amospalla | oh nice. | 12:51 |
| amospalla | thank you | 12:51 |
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| + mtm (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:06 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Quit: bkeys) (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 14:21 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 14:22 | |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@45.148.12.75) | 14:38 | |
| minute | josch: there is a little typo in your debian bug reply, > Contorl: forwarded -1 | 15:03 |
| minute | (not sure if important) | 15:03 |
| josch | it is, thank you :) | 15:05 |
| josch | fixed, thank you! | 15:06 |
| minute | np! | 15:15 |
| minute | heh, wlmaker is in debian unstable | 15:19 |
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| + mjw (~mjw@185.59.39.53) | 15:54 | |
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| + skipwich (~skipwich@user/skipwich) | 16:16 | |
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| + skipwich (~skipwich@user/skipwich) | 16:25 | |
| ^alex | is wlmaker what it sounds like? a wayland compositor that's like WindowMaker? | 16:25 |
| ch | > Wayland compositor inspired by Window Maker | 16:33 |
| ch | screenshot on https://github.com/phkaeser/wlmaker looks good | 16:33 |
| jfred | oh that does look fun | 16:37 |
| mhoye | josch: would you happen to have a link to current-best SD boot image for the first-gen iMX8 reform? | 16:46 |
| mhoye | I've done _something_ to this machine but I'm not sure what. | 16:46 |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@45.148.12.75) | 17:54 | |
| josch | mhoye: i'm afraid the CI does not keep known-good images, so the latest image *is* the best image | 18:23 |
| josch | mhoye: what issue are you encountering? | 18:24 |
| mhoye | Still sorting that out. | 19:26 |
| andypiper | ACTION TIL about wlmaker... nostalgia | 19:26 |
| mhoye | I'll tell you that drilling out my heat sink and permanently installing a serial adapter is proving to be quite prescient, because this thing does _not_ want to display anything after uBoot | 19:27 |
| - andypiper (QUIT: Quit: My device has gone to sleep. Zzzz…) (~andypiper@45.148.12.75) | 19:44 | |
| minute | trying the CI built pocket rk3588 image with > setenv bootargs keep_bootcon earlycon=uart8250,mmio32,0xfeb50000 clk_ignore_unused loglevel=7 | 19:49 |
| minute | but output stops after > [ 1.641498] Run /init as init process | 19:49 |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@45.148.12.75) | 19:51 | |
| minute | ah, the dts still has hdmi1 in there which is, as we know, not functional anymore | 19:52 |
| minute | naja, something for another day | 19:52 |
| - ch (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~ch@user/meow/ch) | 19:53 | |
| - andypiper (QUIT: Client Quit) (~andypiper@45.148.12.75) | 19:53 | |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Quit: Konversation terminated!) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 19:56 | |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 19:56 | |
| minute | now trying with vendor uboot and extlinux.conf, it proceeds further | 19:57 |
| minute | but hangs at hdmi, expected | 19:57 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: do you see any light on the horizon for the suspend situation on the pocket? No pressure or anything. I know it is a tough nut to crack. The Pocket is awesome just as it is already. | 19:57 |
| minute | > Resizing the filesystem on /dev/mmcblk1p2 to 7296768 (4k) blocks. | 20:01 |
| minute | ok, now it also boots with the mainline uboot... needed a different dtb | 20:05 |
| josch | minute: you are using the latest system image? Because i had a weird failure where at first boot it would *not* do the resizing... | 20:07 |
| minute | josch: yes | 20:07 |
| - robin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~robin@user/terpri) | 20:10 | |
| + robin (~robin@user/terpri) | 20:11 | |
| josch | huh okay, then it was just a me-problem -- that's good | 20:12 |
| mhoye | while I'm sorting this out, I would like to reiterate that the manual that shipped with the first Reform is just so good. | 20:12 |
| josch | +1 | 20:14 |
| josch | also: fun things that one finds during a copyright review: | 20:14 |
| josch | reform2-lpc-fw/tools/lpcrc/lpcrc.exe | 20:14 |
| josch | PE32 executable (console) Intel 80386 (stripped to external PDB), for MS Windows, 5 sections | 20:14 |
| josch | :D | 20:14 |
| mhoye | For some reason you've reminded me of an old photo of a famous hip-hop artist leafing through a high-roller wad finding a one dollar bill. | 20:16 |
| mhoye | With an incomprehending look on his face. "How did this get in here... wait what the hell even _is_ this?" | 20:17 |
| josch | want to see even more wild things? | 20:18 |
| josch | in the reform git repos i mean | 20:18 |
| josch | https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/blob/master/reform2-lpc-fw/src/drivers/rf/nfc/pn532/mem_allocator/bget.c#L29 | 20:19 |
| josch | "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him" | 20:19 |
| josch | o0 | 20:19 |
| minute | :0 | 20:20 |
| josch | copyright reviews are usually super boring but the reform git is a gold mine :D | 20:21 |
| josch | minute: i can compile lpc firmware just fine without bget -- would you like a merge request removing it? | 20:35 |
| + Gooberpatrol_66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 20:41 | |
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| + ch (~ch@user/meow/ch) | 21:13 | |
| minute | josch: yes, would like | 21:44 |
| mhoye | [ 0.705380] simple-framebuffer fe540000.framebuffer: probe with driver simple-framebuffer failed with error -12 | 21:47 |
| mhoye | ] | 21:47 |
| mhoye | That's where I lock up. | 21:58 |
| josch | want more fun? there is this and other libraries in the reform-lpc source: ./reform2-lpc-fw/cmsis/libs/libarm_cortexM0l_math.a | 21:59 |
| josch | just some blobs | 21:59 |
| josch | they are part of cmsis and reform2/board_reform2.h needs LPC11Uxx.h from within it, so i guess i have to figure out how to build this... | 22:00 |
| minute | josch: oof i wanted to reduce that codebase for a long time but glad you're spelunking there | 22:03 |
| mhoye | josch: At one point when I was at Mozilla, we found some ... unfortunate imagery in the repo, and it didn't take long to put together file that just listed all the images in the repo in one big page. | 22:04 |
| mhoye | Some _magnificent_ skeletons in that closet lemme tell you. | 22:04 |
| minute | :D | 22:05 |
| minute | mhoye: weird, simple-framebuffer shouldn't be used normally, it's IIRC a mechanism to pass a preallocated display/framebuffer from uboot to linux | 22:06 |
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| mhoye | Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to tell uboot not to do that. | 22:15 |
| mhoye | Is there a fail-and-keep-going option in uboot? I don't need working video here, I just need the boot sequence to get far enough a long that I can ssh in. | 22:16 |
| minute | mhoye: normally it should contiinue booting, a single driver shouldn't prevent that | 22:20 |
| minute | mhoye: you already have loglevel set back to 7 i assume? | 22:20 |
| minute | mhoye: and console forced to serial? | 22:20 |
| josch | on imx8mq i think that was console=ttymxc0,115200 | 22:25 |
| josch | minute: so, the lpc firmware compiles fine without linking against the static libraries arm_cortexM0l_math.a and RTX_CM0.a -- is it possible that the code will now blow up at runtime because something is missing that i'm not informed about during compile time? | 22:31 |
| + mrbcmorris (~mrbcmorri@user/mrbcmorris) | 22:35 | |
| josch | on github they also just ship these blobs: https://github.com/ARM-software/CMSIS_4/tree/master/CMSIS/Lib/GCC | 22:35 |
| minute | josch: hmm i can try it out next week | 22:41 |
| mhoye | I've got console output on a different machine. | 22:43 |
| josch | minute: okay, i documented everything i have so far in https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/merge_requests/71 so that it doesn't get lost | 22:44 |
| minute | nice | 22:53 |
| mhoye | But I don't think I can set uboot loglevels at runtime? At least, uboot docs say I can, I guess, but my uboot doesn't admit the existence of log or loglevel in its environment when I'm in it. | 22:55 |
| minute | mhoye: linux kernel loglevel i mean | 22:56 |
| minute | mhoye: it's part of the kernel commandline | 22:56 |
| minute | mhoye: in uboot that would go into the variable bootargs | 22:57 |
| josch | but you are not guaranteed that boot.scr or extlinux.conf respects u-boot's ${bootargs} | 22:57 |
| josch | so maybe first make sure that which ever of the two you are using does respect ${bootargs} or set your loglevel there in the first place | 22:58 |
| mhoye | Let's find out! | 23:23 |
| mhoye | I think the first thing I need to do is understand what "error -12" is. | 23:29 |
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