2024-08-01.log

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joschminute: okay. If it's bad we can change that later. I just commented the patch command out and added a FIXME comment on top for now.01:47
joschminute: then i'll cut a new release, test it on my a311d and then add it to reform-tools01:48
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joschreform-tools 1.46 is in the repos now04:34
joschit's the largest list of changelog entries so far04:34
joschso there will probably be bugs04:34
joschi already have changes for 1.47 queued locally, so please report any bugs you find to me so that i can add them to the next upload, thanks! :)04:35
jfredhm, my big reform has started shutting itself down after being unplugged for just a few minutes, and then the OLED shows 0% charge. maybe one of the cells is shot...05:10
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^alextrying a patch out that switches off core 1 in the keyboard and in the syscon06:35
^alexseeing how that affects overnight power drain06:35
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khmI'm trying to build u-boot from the reform-boundary-uboot repository.  I'm following the .gitlab-ci to build.  I edit mntreform-config, copy it to .config, and when during build.sh the 'make flash.bin' command overwrites .config with different contents.  I don't see the cp command being executed in the gitlab job traces.  Is there something I'm missing here?06:49
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joschkhm: can you pastebin your git diff so that i can have a look at what is going on?07:32
josch(it works fine over here)07:32
khmjosch: https://pastebin.com/bESqcmgq07:46
khm(the makefile changes are to shut up errors in gcc on unstable)07:47
khmand here's the actual build output https://pastebin.com/DyNq187Y (lines 21 through 24 are what I'm complaining about here)07:50
joschkhm: likely the issue is, that you are adding items to the config which are from modern u-boot but the boundary fork is ancient08:06
joschkhm: for nvme support on imx8mq, i think bluerise came closest by working on imx8mq support on upstream u-boot08:07
khmthe nvme and cmd_nvme code is there08:07
joschi think this is the branch: https://github.com/bluerise/u-boot/commits/mnt08:07
khmhowever, even setting that aside, CONFIG_CMD_BOOTMENU=y should work.08:08
joschright, what i'm trying to say is that it's probably smarter to invest energy into upstream u-boot instead of into the ancient vendor fork08:08
khmthat's extremely unlikely to happen.  there's about a billion ridiculous questions coming out of `make oldconfig` for that, approximately none of which I have any chance of answering correctly08:13
joschkhm: me neither but there are other people in this channel (like bluerise who might be able to help you)08:18
joschkhm: another curiosity is that according to menuconfig, "NVM Express device support" should be listed under "Device Drivers" -- but it is not08:19
khmyeah I was told some time ago that the nvme code present in this version is more of a first draft than a fully-functioning tool08:21
khmI only tried to turn it on when I realized my BOOTMENU flag wasn't changing 08:22
khmI was hoping for a broken build that at least followed the config, instead of just clobbering it08:22
joschkhm: my theory is, that somehow the options you added conflict with other stuff and thus the config gets regenerated. If I change other options in mntreform-config, then copy it to .config and then run ./build.sh, both files remain identical even though "scripts/kconfig/conf  --syncconfig Kconfig" gets run08:26
khmok, thanks for testing.  I'll figure out how to instrument kconfig to see what's going on there.08:27
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grimmwareanyone know the name of the antenna connector on the imx8mp module? I bought an external antenna kit but apparently it came with the wrong kind of connector (I thought it was just U.FL but I may have been naive of variants13:14
grimmware)13:14
minutegrimmware: the connector is MHF-113:19
grimmwareah cool I just assumed the wrong thing then heh13:19
grimmwareI got a higher gain antenna that I want to try out13:19
grimmwareoh that is the same as U.FL. What the fuck did I buy then?13:22
minutemhf4 is the tiny one and mhf1+ufl are the big ones13:24
minuteiirc the wwan module uses mhf413:24
grimmwareah I've got the 413:24
grimmwarefurther proof that I only ever learn the hard way13:25
minutei've made that mistake _a lot_ because i always can't remember13:25
josch <= same13:27
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joschminute: i have collected a list of five TODO items for you to carry out on source.mnt.re -- ping me whenever you think you might have some time. I will keep collecting until then. You just said that you are deep in the middle of other stuff and i know your todo list is long as usual. :)14:00
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joschanybody upgraded to reform-tools 1.46 and found more bugs? I'm about to do the next upload and maybe i can fix a few more things?14:31
minutejosch: thank you for the list!14:56
minutejosch: do you have a link to the list? i would like to put it in my todo :D14:57
joschminute: thank you! https://paste.debian.net/1325118/15:00
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bkeysSo it looks like the best path to get Fedora/CentOS Stream on the Reform is to get the rk3588 adapter board15:30
minutebkeys: i was able to boot into the fedora graphical installer using edk2, yes15:58
bkeysThat is awesome!15:59
bkeysHow much longer do you envision it being until you start shipping them out?16:00
minutebkeys: so the final confirmation pcb should arrive tomorrow, i will test it over the weekend and pull the trigger on manufacturing on monday if all goes well16:03
bkeysThat sounds great16:03
minutethe processors, heatsinks, hdmi adapters are already in stock16:03
bkeysHopefully I get a job soon, within the hour I get one I will get one16:04
bkeysIt seems really nice, especially with so many community projects centering on the rk358816:04
bkeysAnd the really good software support16:04
grimmwareminute: have you tested it with the pocket yet?16:17
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bluerisejosch, khm: yeah I had written my own pcie driver for the imx8mq16:44
bluerisebut now they added support for I think the i.MX8MM16:44
bluerisenow there's https://source.denx.de/u-boot/u-boot/-/blob/master/drivers/pci/pcie_dw_imx.c16:45
minutegrimmware: nope, still on my list16:45
bluerisebut that's only MM and MP, so MQ support will have to be added16:45
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midfavilahas anyone ever tinkered with alternative display formfactors in their reforms?18:13
midfavilai would love to mod in a 4:3 1600x1200 panel like https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/12-1-inch-LCD-screen-LB121S03_1601026750955.html18:13
midfavilaas long as it's got an eDP driver board and can run off the existing power delivery system it should "just work", right? stupid question, i know, but i've never really done any big hardware mods before18:14
midfavila(this one is 800x600 but the principle would be the same...)18:14
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midfavilaonce it's available i would love to try my hand at sticking one of these: https://www.crowdsupply.com/modos-tech/modos-paper-monitor in the reform as well18:39
minutemidfavila: if you're using a module with hdmi->edp adapter things are quite plug and play. for mipi->edp there's some work involved18:41
midfavilathat's fair. what kind of work would be required, do you think? 18:42
midfavilaif it's not going to require designing a custom pcb or something like that i would be more than willing to take a crack at it18:42
midfavilai wouldn't mind making a pcb, i just don't have that skill :p18:42
minutemidfavila: ah also you'll need to get a custom cable in case it's not the same ipex connector on the edp panel18:59
minutemidfavila: and for mipi, you might need to set custom panel timings and dsi clocks etc in the driver/device tree19:00
midfavilagotcha19:00
midfavilathat seems doable19:00
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midfavilathe ultimate goal would be like, a display like that and maybe cramming a reproduction F62 compact from modelfkeyboards.com in a customized chassis19:11
midfavilabecause why not19:11
abortretryfailholy crap an epaper display would be so nice.19:17
^alexwe are somewhat a fan of that one OLPC display that becomes a greyscale panel in the sunlight19:19
^alexalso an unbrick of the keyboard seems to require holding down PROG while throwing the standby switch :X19:19
^alexso we are probably going to try and get the picotool reboot device compiled into the keyboard firmware19:20
^alexor the double-tap-reset code19:21
^alexor, potentially, both!19:21
minutejosch: btw i've started working on https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot, my goal is to have a real system image for rk3588 asap (actually 2, for reform and reform next, and later also for pocket (aaaaah!))19:27
joschnice! \o/ i think (and hope) that u-boot was the last blocker for a rk3588 system image19:43
joschping me once there is a gitlab CI artifact which boots your machine and then we can put it into reform-tools which can be built by reform-debian-packages which will fill the repo and make it possible to also run reform-system-images for it -- yay19:48
grimmwareHeads up I had one of the broken-off ends of the battery holder rattling around inside the case. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PsBE7hf4/1722534917.JPG19:56
midfavila^alex the transflectives are great yeah19:58
midfavilai think uhhhhh that one company that makes e-ink monitors also makes transflectives19:58
midfavilabut yeah if nothing else i would love to integrate the modos controller into the reform. they claim to support a ton of different e-paper panels and there's an hdmi input so20:01
midfavilacan use that for testing if nothing else20:01
midfavilaif i can get a little experience working with e-paper panels i would love to put one in my uconsole when it arrives as well20:01
khmthe olpc panel wasn't normal transflective.  it was two layers of lcd: a 1200x900 monochrome layer under a diagonal-RGB color display20:21
khmin the sunlight the color layer just got overwhelmed and washed out, leaving a normal reflective monochrome image20:21
midfavilaoh huh20:40
midfavilafair enough, i didn't know that20:40
khmits creator tried to commercialize it under the trade name Pixel Qi but it never really took off20:43
grimmwareI always found that totally bizarre that those displays didn't get more traction20:45
abortretryfailyou couldn't really buy them anywhere. I tried.20:45
grimmwarefeels like the market was trying to enforce the trope that nerds like to stay inside20:46
grimmwareI'd love to do more outdoor computing20:46
grimmwareI've been particularly pleased with the pocket's screen  when using it outside but I do feel like the approach of making the screen brighter is not the optimal one20:47
khmI have several of them in various OLPC laptops20:49
khmand they briefly sold a kit to modify a Lenovo S10 netbook.  and man do I mean *briefly*20:49
khmI only know one person who was able to get one20:49
midfavilarip20:51
midfavilathat's sort of why i'm getting into open hardware as much as possible now20:51
midfavilathe whole "seeing something cool you want only to learn you can't buy it any more" thing sucks20:51
mhoyekhm: 3M bought all the Pixel Qi ip. From what I can tell you can still buy one today, if your intention is to fit it into the console of a fighter jet.21:04
midfavilalame21:06
mhoyeI had a chance to play with them on the OLPC21:06
mhoyethose displays were _magic_21:07
mhoyejust absolutely incredible, and totally wasted on that garbage machine.21:07
khmI know 3M invested in the Pixel Qi startup but last I heard Mary Lou still owns the IP21:07
khmthe OLPC XO-4 was a pretty good machine (switched to ARM, dropped the weird hybrid touchpad)21:08
mhoyeA few weeks ago I went to see if I could convince Sharp to make their 1-bit memory displays  bigger than 3" but alas.21:09
mhoye(Those are the displays that the PlayDate uses, also excellent for both daylight readability and power consumption)21:10
mhoyeUnfortunately they have no plans for that.21:10
midfavilaoofh21:11
mhoye"large daylight-readable displays" is apparently a weird niche market. 21:11
khmjust gotta wait for some patents to expire21:11
midfavila>patents21:11
midfavila>expire21:11
midfavilalmao rn21:11
midfavilatheyre just going to make minor adjustments and repatent it again ad infinitum21:12
mhoyeThose "daylight.computer" people seem to have something new? But they're trying to productize it first and I guess maybe eventually sell it later.21:12
midfavilaepaper is from like the 70s or 80s or something21:12
khmdaylight.computer, aka "rebranded android device #45,302"21:13
mhoyekhm: yeah. It _looks_ like they've got new-for-real display tech in there despite the 'yeah but otherwise this is just a crap android tablet with a new skin' thing.21:17
midfavilajust looked it up21:18
midfavilalooks like junk t b q h21:18
mhoyeBut if a crap android table is the only way people can get their new thing then oh well anyway dot gif.21:18
midfavilaany time i see a company lead with granola rhetoric about "deep focus" i pretty much just write them off21:19
midfavilasame vibes as mudita stuff21:19
khmI just go look at their privacy policy21:20
mhoyeMudita?21:20
khmdaylight's is pretty bad21:20
midfavilamudita is this like21:20
midfavilai think theyre swiss? can't recall21:20
midfavilathey're like some boutique lifestyle tech company21:20
mhoyeugh21:20
midfavilato be clear their phone is like21:20
midfavilaconceptually good21:20
midfavilathe mudita pure21:20
khmmudita is a grift designed to extract money by exploiting people's fears of technology21:21
khmthey advertised their first cell phone as being a low-EM device21:21
midfavilabut in terms of their implementation it just sucks21:21
midfavilaalso that21:21
mhoyeoh no21:21
khmguess what happens when you restrict electromagnetic emssions of a radio communications device21:21
midfavilano signal ;p21:21
midfavilacommon issue21:21
midfavilajust make it an epaper dumbphone and you'd be fine21:22
midfavilabut it has to have all this stupid shit21:22
midfavilalike "meditation timers"21:22
khmthey did one or two batches of that idiocy, then started selling clocks and wristwatches, and are now working on indistinguishable android device #45,30421:22
midfavilabro just make a clock app21:22
midfavilawith a stopwatch function21:22
midfavilanot everything has to be about promoting "digital mindfulness"21:22
midfavilathey also dont have any way to access internetworking features in-OS afaik21:23
midfavilaits like a claimed feature21:23
khmI left out the part where their e-ink alarm clock requires a cloud connection and frequently breaks21:23
midfavilai can respect not including a browser, but like, why cant i check my email, or get a map or something21:23
midfavilaor have an IM client21:24
midfavilaetc21:24
midfavilaas much as i don't really dig clockworkpi's marketing strategy either at least the uconsole is like21:25
midfavilauseful21:25
khmthat reminds me, I need to put some stuff on ebay21:25
midfavilaowo?21:25
khmuconsole, devterm, pinebook pro, probably the pine note21:25
khmall the various corpses of failed mobile devices21:26
midfavilayou're selling the uconsole and pinenote? how come?21:26
khmmostly because they're awful21:26
mhoyeThe pine people are... not to be trusted.21:26
midfavilawhat makes you say that? legit question21:26
midfavilaon both accounts i suppose21:26
khmit's the same problem with both companies21:26
midfavilai have a pinenote and i've been using it for like a year and a half without much issue21:26
khmthey just throw shit over the wall and there is no effort put into making anything useful21:26
midfavilahmm21:27
midfavilai can see that yeah21:27
mhoyeThey offload a _lot_ of responsibility for making commodity hardware usable onto their community21:27
mhoyejinx21:27
khmzero effort to upstream anything21:27
khmjust zero21:27
midfavilai mean theyre also not software companies afaik21:27
khmsource code provided as tarballs on mega (or tarballs on github if you're lucky)21:27
midfavilanot to run apologia but theyre upfront about that21:27
midfavilaoh ew21:27
midfavilai didn't know about the mega shit21:27
khmin the arm world, you don't get to sell computers without also being a software company21:27
khmif they shipped efi maybe 21:28
mhoye"tarballs on mega" is... a combination of retro and sketchy as hell that does not give me confidence.21:28
khmbut no, it's all bespoke hacked-up shit, no way to run a mainline kernel21:28
khmanyay, I also use whatsisname's pine note debian distro21:28
khmand it mostly works21:28
midfavilaoh yeah? is that usable now?21:28
khmbut what happens if I drop the damn thing?  can't possibly replace it21:28
midfavilai'm still stuck on the janky factory image21:28
khmbecause they only exist since pine64 bought some overstick product down the street21:29
midfavilawhere'd you hear that?21:29
midfavilaafaik they bought the chassis of the bigme but otherwise it's in house21:29
khmnothing at pine64 is in house21:29
midfavilaoh?21:29
mhoyeThe pine folks are integrators, not inventors. 21:30
mhoyeThey mostly buy existing parts off the shelf and glue them together with tape and software. Sometimes good things come of that?21:31
mhoyeLike, I've got a pinecil soldering iron and it's good. The pine laptops are... not good. 21:31
khmnot good to the degree that one by one distros are dropping support for them21:32
khmoh and I need to sell this pinephone and its keyboard too21:32
midfavilai'm intrigued. is it the usual issues or do the pinebooks have unique issues of their own?21:33
khmI should just make one huge listing called "mobile devices:  promises abandoned"21:33
mhoyeI still have an iPod Touch on my desk, one of the weird now-ancient 4th-gen models without the rear camera.21:33
mhoyeAnd even today, it is _so ridiculously tiny_ but still has this amazing responsive display and interface.21:34
mhoyeIt still feels like a little postcard from the future. I wish somebody pine64-like would be able to build something like that, but....21:35
mhoyeit won't be the pine people. 21:35
khmsame era as the nokia n9, which remains the last smartphone I liked21:37
grimmwareHTC Dream was my first and last smartphone love21:37
midfavilai think the only smartphone i've ever explicitly wanted to use was my blackberry passport21:40
midfavilaamazing device21:40
midfavilai wish it had a full keyboard instead of the mixed physical-virtual and the traditional bb trackball but aside from that, and the usual problem with phones being fused together, excellent design21:41
midfavilaused it up until earlier this year when it finally crapped out hardware-wise21:41
midfavilathen i got my first android since like 2013 and ive hated every minute of it lmao21:41
midfavilauseless piece of junk21:41
khmthe passport was ok.  I didn't like how much they outsourced to the android subsystem21:43
midfavilayeah that was kinda weird21:43
midfavilangl though i just used it as a portable terminal21:43
midfavilacross compiled gnu's userspace for it too21:43
midfavilaused a bb playbook with a keeb and the same setup as a laptop in high school21:43
midfavilalike ten years after it was out of service but still21:44
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minute^alex: hmm, i thought the keyboard firmware already supported double-tap-reset21:47
^alexit doesn't seem to for me21:55
^alexmaybe we're not fast enough21:56
^alexit doesn't look like `pico_bootsel_via_double_reset` is linked in at first glance22:01
^alexyep, it wasn't linked in, now that it's linked in, it supports the doubletap22:04
^alexhttps://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/5 the proverbial "various fixes and improvements"22:09
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+ brennen (~brennen@user/brennen)22:22
minute^alex: cool, thank you!22:44
minutejosch: rk3588 needs 2 files written to sd card to different locations, miniloader and uboot https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/notes-for-rockchip-3588/-/blob/main/upstream_uboot.md#writing-binaries-to-sd-card-for-booting-from-sd-card22:54
joschoh, so the first 8 MB remain empty22:56
joschor is idbloader.img really large?22:56
minutei don't think it's large22:57
joschwe could just bundle-up u-boot together with the other bits that need to go in front of it into a single file as we already do it for a311d22:57
joschthen it'd be a single blob written at an offeset of 32768, starting with idbloader.img and followed by u-boot 8 MB later22:58
joschthough we will have to adjust reform-system-image because right now, the first partition for /boot starts at 4 MB22:58
minutejosch: ah22:59
minuteok, still need to understand "boot_merger" https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/-/jobs/5062#L206823:00
minuteah i made a mistake23:01
joschwrestling successful? :)23:41

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