2024-06-29.log

- akira (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~akira@37.4.230.225)00:09
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minutei now have RCORE D-2 in my mnt reform which has working integration with LPC (battery status) and correctly detects HDMI hotplug (yay). but i just noticed there's no more pwm backlight :000:54
minuteah and i'm now on 6.8.12-mnt-reform-arm6400:54
minuteoh woops the dtb in the repo doesn't have backlight, that explains it00:55
minutewell :D https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/37/diffs00:56
joschminute: try out 6.9 -- the rk3588 patch stack from collabora changed again :)01:00
minutejosch: harrr... will try it on monday, or maybe tomorrow morning after validating that i can fix stuff on the sd card via my pocket01:12
minuteweird https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/473301:32
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ex-parrotjosch: > if somebody wants to help with getting reform.d.n back up, then i'll walk them through the process <--- I can prob do this04:17
vagrantcwait, it's down? it looks more updated than the last time i looked at reform.debian.net04:19
ex-parrotI think there is some issue with the CI pipelines? but I am only very vaguely across it04:20
vagrantcand there are bookworm-backports now? ...04:20
ex-parrothas been for ages04:28
ex-parrotif you mean "the repo exists"04:28
vagrantcyes ... seems to be out of date, which i guess is what the problem is04:29
vagrantcthe landing page for reform.debian.net was just a plain text page in my memory ... it sure got fancier since then :)04:29
ex-parrotjosch has put a lot of work in to making it clear and useful04:30
vagrantcjosch has put a lot of work in making a lot of things useful :)04:34
ex-parrotyeah!04:42
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- mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)05:49
joschminute: the error you referenced is because linux 6.9 was uploaded to unstable, so you need to rebase onto this: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/4106:40
- akira (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~akira@37.4.230.225)06:48
+ akira (~akira@2a01:599:a2d:174a:af47:27d3:31:b1cf)07:03
joschex-parrot: the main issue is, that new versions of src:linux have been uploaded to bookworm-backports and the reform-debian-packages repo in https://salsa.debian.org/reform-team/reform-debian-packages/ is unable to handle that07:25
- akira (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~akira@2a01:599:a2d:174a:af47:27d3:31:b1cf)07:32
+ akira (~akira@37.4.230.225)07:32
ex-parrotah yep07:32
ex-parrotI'll have a look at that, I am again short on time :( but I'll see if I can squeeze it in07:33
joschwe all are XD07:35
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- akira (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~akira@37.4.230.225)08:04
+ akira (~akira@ip2504e6e1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)08:05
joschpandora, ex-parrot: something else i am pondering about for reform.d.n is to throw out bookworm and only keep bookworm+backports08:18
joschreasons: faster build times, easier presentation in the HTML (less confusing), smaller test matrix (less code to support and fix) and lastly: possibly not enough disk space (we only have 21G for everything)08:19
joschand those 21G might get real tight when we also add pocket reform (with a311d and imx8mp) and rk3588 support08:19
joschalternatively, we could implement something which stores the largest things (the disk images) elsewhere and not on reform.d.n08:20
ex-parrotsounds reasonable to me08:21
ex-parrotthe only downside I guess is the slightly slower security update schedule for backports08:21
+ mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)08:21
ex-parrotbut I think in practice it's not that bad right?08:21
joschyes, you'd not have kernel security updates, that is a big downside08:23
joschor maybe we still build the kernel08:23
joschand just drop the images08:23
joschkernel itself is just 200M or so08:24
ex-parrothmm yeah having the image the same somehow with a choice of kernel makes sense I guess08:24
ex-parrotwho decides that you get 21G? could we just ask for more space? :P08:25
ex-parrotit'd be nice to support both somehow08:27
ex-parrotcould just focus on the normal kernel for installer / images and give people the option to upgrade to backports themselves after install if they want it?08:27
joschex-parrot: yes, we could also do it that way round of course08:38
joschbut then we'd not be able to offer pocket reform, a311d or rk3588 :)08:38
- akira (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~akira@ip2504e6e1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)08:39
ex-parrotah yes of course08:40
joschex-parrot: asking for more space is an interesting option08:41
+ akira (~akira@2a01:599:a2d:174a:af47:27d3:31:b1cf)08:42
joschex-parrot: the "problem" is, that the debian.net team currently uses hetzner as a hosting provider and if you want more disk space, you also get more ram and cpu but we do not need these at all08:42
joschso things become needlessly expensive08:42
joschbut08:43
ex-parrotahhh yeah08:43
joschthe interesting thing is that when i applied for that machine a bit more than a year ago, 20G SSD was their smallest option08:43
ex-parrotok I was wondering, I'm only very very loosely across how that stuff works08:43
joschnow it seems that their smallest option comes with 40G08:44
joschso maybe it is easy to upgrade without paying more \o/08:44
ex-parrotoh yeah, it would be nice if we could just upgrade... 08:44
ex-parrotcool08:44
joschi'll ask the debian.net team08:44
joschaha! indeed my issues with my trackball happen when i pick up my reform on one corner09:35
joschso maybe it's indeed due to some unfortunate pcb flexing09:35
joschif it's that, then it might be connected with me recently making the screws fixing the trackball module to the case extra-tight09:39
joschbecause one of them fell out and was rolling around on the bottom acrylic...09:40
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- akira (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~akira@2a01:599:a2d:174a:af47:27d3:31:b1cf)11:52
+ akira (~akira@37.4.230.225)11:52
+ reform29396 (~user@business-90-187-186-49.pool2.vodafone-ip.de)12:07
reform29396@josch: E: Disk space is probably not sufficient for building.12:07
reform29396but it did a lot without failing12:07
reform29396https://mister-muffin.de/p/kUQu.txt12:08
reform29396gonna increase the disk volumen and try again12:08
- akira (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~akira@37.4.230.225)12:18
- mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)12:51
+ akira (~akira@2a01:599:a25:1826:9b6a:6481:4c8d:1350)12:54
pandoraAnd I like the idea of only keeping bookworms+backports. Gives u more recent software12:56
+ mjw (~mjw@89.205.227.255)13:11
reform29396@josch: i am only confused by:  I: Source needs 1482852 KiB, while 1480248 KiB is free.)13:20
reform29396i have about 120GB sd space13:20
reform29396not sure why it think i only have 1.4G13:21
+ mark_ (~mjw@84.241.197.165)13:21
reform29396do i need to change some env config?13:21
reform29396https://mister-muffin.de/p/fP0X.txt13:22
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joschpandora: do you maybe have a tmpfs mounted in /tmp?16:59
joschpandora: by default, sbuild builds in a scratch space in /tmp and not in the current directory16:59
joschsince i only have 3.6 GB ram on my a311d, a tmpfs in /tmp makes no sense17:00
joschso i have this in my ~/.sbuildrc:17:00
josch$unshare_tmpdir_template = '/home/josch/tmp/tmp.sbuild.XXXXXXXXXX';17:00
joschanother way to change this, is to build with the environment variable $TMPDIR set to something you like17:01
joschthis variable will affect where the mktemp utility puts its temporary files and directories17:01
joschpandora: 120GB is way too much -- remember that reform.d.n only has 20G available :)17:03
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+ reform1889 (~user@business-90-187-186-49.pool2.vodafone-ip.de)17:46
reform1889oh yeah u r right... there is all kind of stuff mounted17:47
reform1889this too17:47
reform1889tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,size=4051768k,nr_inodes=1048576,inode64)17:47
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pandorathere is also this weird bug in the waybar. when i click shutdown it actually reboots17:53
joschpandora: on the pocket, yes?17:54
pandoraYes17:54
joschpandora: maybe either open an issue on source.mnt.re our write to the forum about this. I think that way is the best approach to not have this forgotten.17:54
joschOf course unless Lukas happens to read this and put it on their TODO list. :)17:55
joschpandora: and yes, you cannot build the kernel because that requires more than the 4 GB you have available in /tmp17:55
joschthis is not a problem on reform.d.n because it does not mount /tmp as tmpfs :)17:55
pandorayeah i thought about just not doing this17:58
pandorai don't even know the benefit of doing this tbh17:58
joschpandora: benefit is that with your usual ram sizes, a lot of things that work with temporary files become much faster18:14
joschdebian recently switched to making /tmp a tmpfs by default18:14
joschthis was not the case in bookworm but will be in trixie18:14
- akira (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~akira@37.4.230.225)18:21
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pandoraah ok 18:46
pandorathen i may just adjust the size18:46
pandorai am just confused how this is mounted18:49
pandorain fstab there is no line about /tmp18:49
pandorais there another place where things get mounted automatically?18:50
pandoraprob. some systemd19:07
+ mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)19:59
- mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)20:08
joschpandora: that's exactly the change that was made, yes20:45
joschpandora: in particular it's systemd tmpfiles20:45
joschin case you are interested, this was the change: https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/-/commit/663eceb5f6bc080e3cf16cfaf88733598ee6a63a20:47
josch/tmp being tmpfs was a systemd default for many years but this default was adjusted by debian20:48
joschnow debian removed this change and is now behaving like other distros using systemd20:48
+ mjw (~mjw@89.205.128.242)20:54
pandoraah yeah i see. it is defined in usr/lib/systemd/system/local-fs.target.wants/tmp.mount21:04
+ ZylonMaster (~hjcs@syn-098-015-248-249.res.spectrum.com)21:07
pandoraok rerunning the script with 16 gb of /tmp21:11
joschthat will be enough :)21:33
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joschex-parrot: we now have 40 G on reform.d.n :)22:03
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- sevan (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~sevan@user/venture37)22:44
violetwill i be able to take my ssd out of my full size reform and drop it into my pocket and just boot up22:52
violetlike do the same kernel/devicetree work if i stick to the same compute module22:53
joschviolet: the device tree is slightly different even with the same module22:53
violetmakes sense22:53
joschbut your ssd does not contain /boot or does it?22:53
violetit does not22:54
violeti was thinking whether i can transfer my boot image as-is or not mostly22:54
violetwhich i have on the emmc22:54
violetbut yeah sounds like i will need to tweak it a little bit22:55
joschi'd re-generate your /boot from scratch22:56
joschyou can do that by running apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-...22:56
joschi wrote up this migration guide from imx8mq to a311d: https://community.mnt.re/t/migrating-encrypted-nvme-to-different-som-imx8mq-to-a311d/178322:56
joschin your case, you stay with the same SoM, so your entries in /etc/fstab should stay the same22:57
violetso i guess, boot up with an sd card, chroot in & set up /boot mount, and then run that22:57
joschyes22:57
joschessenitally the same thing you'd do once your system became unbootable and you need to restore /boot22:58
violetyeah22:58
violetthis is basically what i did when i first got it, migrating from the really old setup the previous owner had22:58
violetdoes the imx8m+ have emmc also?22:58
joschyes22:59
violetnice. i will try to switch to that then22:59
violeti think mine comes with that22:59
violeti am on imx8mq right now23:00
joschif you are having too much free time (haha) there are a couple of things for which i am looking for users who have an imx8mq to test them :)23:02
violeti could do that. but it might be a bit. i have dental surgery only a few days after im scheduled to receive my pocket shipment actually23:02
joschoh wow much success and good recovery!23:03
violetthanks!23:04
+ sevan (~sevan@2001:470:1f1d:1d6:5a55:caff:fe24:ed4)23:06
+ mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)23:25
joschxz: Reduced the number of threads from 6 to 5 to not exceed the memory usage limit of 931 MiB23:27
joschoh wow xz being clever!23:27
+ chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-2-87-3-184.home.otenet.gr)23:35
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