2024-06-28.log

+ chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a0a:1500:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)00:01
joschtheesm: $GUIX_LOCPATH resolves to /root/.guix-profile/lib/locale and contains a directory with the name "2.35" (glibc version?) with a creation time of epoch 000:16
joschas part of the script i'm also dumping all environment variables: https://paste.debian.net/1321712/00:18
joschand PATH seems to include /gnu/store/...00:18
josch <= bed00:21
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gsoragnight!00:25
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anzujosch: I have tried using a dumbphone for a while, and while I really enjoyed this time, I eventually switched back primarily for being able to communicate with friends who use one of the many messenger apps01:19
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- mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)06:28
joschanzu: i understand. I still have hopes for a libre signal client but this bug has been open for two years now https://github.com/nanu-c/axolotl/issues/94307:22
joschit is even worse when the social connections of my offspring depend on non-free software as groups of people connected to daycare, sport or other activities rely on non-free services to meet and organize07:23
joschpersonally, i tell myself that if i give in, i will be yet another reason for everybody else that it is okay to use these non-free clients and protocols and i do not want to be part of it07:24
joschbut i'm not blaming those who do give in -- staying connected with friends is obviously a much stronger incenticentive for most people than using binary blobs is a deterrant07:25
joschwith a small circle of close friends i'm a happy user of jabber/xmpp -- my partner has the conversations client on their smartphone and that allows me to have video conversations with them which really helps when one of us has our daughter and we want to say hello to the other :)07:26
joschwere it not for the network effect, i think the conversations jabber/xmpp client would meet most of what people expect from a chat client these days07:27
joschtheesm: do you have any other idea of how to debug the reform nonguix script?07:31
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- mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)09:30
joschany imx8mq users here willing to check that linux 6.9.7 with the v15 cadence patch stack still has display and hdmi working?10:24
+ mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)10:32
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+ wose (wose@mail.zuendmasse.de)11:57
joschminute: Debian kernel maintainers uploaded linux 6.9.7 to unstable. I rebased our patch stack (I was able to drop two patches) and the size of vmlinuz looks good :)12:13
- andreas-e (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~Andreas@2001:861:c4:f2f0::c64)12:18
pandorahaving the same issue with non-free-clients. I would like to avoid  it but all university stuff is organized around whatsapp. If u don't use whatsapp u miss a lot!12:19
pandoraoh is there 6.9.x already available for the reform12:20
- gsora (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~gsora@user/gsora)12:20
+ gsora (~gsora@user/gsora)12:20
joschpandora: yes in this MR: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/4112:21
joschi'm looking for somebody with an imx8mq to test this as a major change was the switch to v15 of the cadence patch stack12:22
pandorathe pocket has a imx8m-plus or so?12:26
joschyes, the pocket has the imx8mp12:26
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+ akira (~akira@37.4.230.225)13:45
pandoradid anyone test the 6.9.x on the pocket already?13:59
joschnope13:59
joschif you do, that would be appreciated14:00
joschor well14:00
joschthe tests that were done failed due to the binutils bug that you discovered :)14:00
pandorabut the latest one should have the workaround implemented shouldn't it?14:09
joschit has a different workaround implemented, yes14:12
joschthe problem is not yet fixed in binutils14:12
joschbut by setting a kernel config option, you can avoid the problem14:12
pandorais it available via apt or do i need to install the deb. package from source.mnt14:12
joschand that's what debian linux maintainers did before uploading 6.9.7 to unstable.14:12
joschit is not available in the MNT repos yet -- i wanted to get it tested by somebody before :)14:13
joschthe kernel finished building this morning and i still have a full-time job so it wasn't possible reboot my machine to test it yet myself14:14
+ reform26523 (~user@business-90-187-186-49.pool2.vodafone-ip.de)14:14
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+ reform13771 (~user@business-90-187-186-49.pool2.vodafone-ip.de)14:21
- akira (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~akira@37.4.230.225)14:22
pandorathat would be this one? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/4729/artifacts/file/repo/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-6.9.7-mnt-reform-arm64_6.9.7-1+reform20240628T080559Z_arm64.deb14:27
reform13771wget https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/4729/artif14:27
reform13771+acts/file/repo/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-6.9.7-mnt-reform-arm64_614:27
joschpandora: yes14:27
+ mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)14:31
pandorainstalling14:32
joschthank you!14:32
- reform13771 (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~user@business-90-187-186-49.pool2.vodafone-ip.de)14:34
pandorarebooting...14:34
pandorarebooting works14:35
pandorano wifi driver loaded14:36
pandoramanual loading of the wifi driver doesn't work anymore14:37
joschpandora: for that you'd also have to download the respective qcacld package14:37
joschpandora: if it boots and you have display working, that is good enough for me -- thank you!! <314:38
joschpandora: you are testing this on a disposable sd-card system and not your main system on emmc, right?14:38
pandorayeap ... display works & keyboard works14:38
pandorayeah. i always do the testing on an sd card14:39
pandorai also do the testing on the sd card before i upgrade the kernel of my main system atm14:39
joschokay :)14:39
- mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)14:57
pandorawifi works again after i installed the latest qcacld package14:58
pandoraaudio works too15:00
+ akira (~akira@p57bfbb6a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)15:12
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+ akira (~akira@2a01:599:a13:3b7b:c166:a20b:16b6:ac63)16:31
noamminute: Happy to report I've been giving you some free advertising ;)16:42
joschpandora: thank you for testing! :)16:43
noamI think that every single time I've pulled out my Reform at the Systems Distributed conference, at _least_ two people asked about it :P16:43
noamMultiple took pictures, and one asked for more info / the store link for a friend :P16:43
joschhehe it was very similar at mini debconf berlin :)16:43
joschjust yesterday, in the debconf irc, somebody announced that they put themselves together a $1649 reform :)16:44
gsoracan't wait for the 2000$ snapdragon x1 elite add-in board :v16:47
joschhahaha16:47
gsoraspeaking of high performance, i'm curious if someone with an rk3588 would be willing to test how much it takes for a project to compile16:55
joschwhich project?16:58
[tj]josch: is there a build artifact for the pocket reform image it is n/a on the debian page16:59
[tj]https://reform.debian.net/images/#mnt-pocket-reform16:59
josch[tj]: we do not have debian stable (bookworm) images yet17:00
gsorajosch: https://github.com/betrusted-io/xous-core/ requires rust17:00
josch[tj]: providing those is on my todo list17:00
gsora"cargo xtask build" should do the trick 17:01
minutenoam: nice, thanks!17:01
josch[tj]: if you'd like to help, having bookworm images for the pocket might happen sooner than without help :)17:01
minutenoam: appreciated!17:01
[tj]josch: ah ha! I just google mnt reform images and landed there17:06
joschoh no :(17:07
josch[tj]: i think i will have to add more prominent information that these are *not* the official images17:08
josch[tj]: you can grab the official images here: https://mnt.re/system-image17:08
[tj]https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/4529/artifacts/browse17:08
[tj]cool, same place17:08
[tj]what are the bmap files?17:09
[tj]"This file contains the block map for an image file, which is basically17:10
[tj]a list of useful (mapped) block numbers in the image file."17:10
josch[tj]: see README.flashing17:10
[tj]I will go for a run while that downloads17:12
joschminute: questions like this and gitlabs inability to show artifacts like README.flashing in the browser without downloading i think are indicators that maybe creating gitlab releases would make things a bit easier for the new user17:12
[tj]gigabit home uplink stymied by terrible wifi in my laptopp17:12
pandorawhat needs to be done for a stable mnt bookworm image to be reality ?17:13
joschpandora: for the pocket?17:14
pandorayeah17:14
pandorai guess there is already one for the normal reform?17:14
joschessentially, this has to be fixed: https://mister-muffin.de/p/qs7z.txt17:15
joschpandora: and then some links have to be added to the HTML table17:15
joschyes, there are images for the normal reform and those have been tested succesfully recently by ex-parrot 17:16
joschif somebody wants to help with getting reform.d.n back up, then i'll walk them through the process17:17
pandorai would be interested but not before the end of the next month due to university exams soon17:22
joschpandora: thank you! just write me once you have time in case it's not fixed until then :)17:25
pandorawhere can i find the Add_localversion_for_-RT_release.patch17:25
pandoraor what build script is this log from?17:26
joschpandora: that's a Debian linux kernel patch: https://sources.debian.org/src/linux/6.9.7-1/debian/patches-rt/Add_localversion_for_-RT_release.patch/17:29
joschminute: to prevent confusing users, i added a warning to the top of https://reform.debian.net/ -- do you know a better wording or have anything else that you'd see there?17:33
joschpandora: if you want to look into it, the top script is this one: https://salsa.debian.org/reform-team/orchestrator/-/blob/main/run.sh17:37
joschpandora: the ./run.sh is what is getting called once per day by a cronjob on the build server i have17:39
joschif you run that locally, (with all git submodules cloned) you will see the error17:39
pandoraill have a look at it :) thx17:43
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pandorai am immediately getting a "Unable to get absolute path" from mmdebstrap :D18:25
joschpandora: thank you for trying this! can you give me more output?18:44
+ reform15293 (~user@business-90-187-186-49.pool2.vodafone-ip.de)18:45
reform15293mmdebstrap --variant=buildd bookworm ~/.cache/sbuild/bookworm-arm64.tar18:45
reform15293I: automatically chosen mode: unshare18:45
reform15293I: chroot architecture arm64 is equal to the host's architecture18:45
reform15293I: finding correct signed-by value...18:45
reform15293done18:45
- ggoes (PART: ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.4)) (~gregf@fsf/staff/ggoes)18:46
joschpandora: that looks all good -- can you run again with --debug and paste the log somewhere?18:46
joschpandora: just run the failing mmdebstrap command, not the whole script i mean18:47
+ vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50)18:53
joschpandora: could it be that the complete error message you are getting is this:19:19
joschE: unable to get absolute path of target directory /home/user/.cache/sbuild/bookworm-arm64.tar19:19
josch(replace "user" by your username)19:20
joschpandora: if that was indeed the full error message and you just omitted part of it earlier, then i now probably fixed both issues:19:25
joscha) reform-team/orchestrator/run.sh now runs 'mkdir -p ~/.cache/sbuild/'19:25
pandoramy username is user bdw :D19:26
joschb) mmdebstrap now writes out a better error message than "Unable to get absolute path"19:26
pandorai was curious if the path has to exist for it to work19:26
pandorai kinda expected it that it would create it if it doesn't exist19:26
joschyes, mmdebstrap is not creating directories for you19:27
pandoraahh ok19:27
joschpandora: do you know a utility that does that?19:27
joschif i run wget -O foo/bar/out.png http://.../out.png19:27
joschthen wget also does not create foo/bar for me19:27
joschis there a common tool that does it differently?19:27
pandorahmm i think a few do but i can't name one out of the lbue :D19:27
pandorabut well19:28
pandorai think u r right19:28
pandoramy assumption is just wrong19:28
joschthe error message was also not good19:28
joschbut that is now fixed, thank you19:28
pandorahehe thx just pulled the updated one19:30
pandoraand looks good now19:30
pandorabdw i noticed something after installing 6.9.719:40
pandorai don't have a battery symbol in the waybar anymore19:40
joschpandora: battery support requires the lpc dkmk module and that you can only build if you also have the kernel headers installed19:45
+ reform20251 (~user@business-90-187-186-49.pool2.vodafone-ip.de)19:56
reform20251'https://mister-muffin.de/p/YpxV.txt19:56
pandorait seem having an issue with reprepro export19:57
pandorai have to look into what this tool is even doing19:57
pandorai will try to build the lpc dkmk module later on and see if the battery works again after that19:59
+ mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)20:03
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+ Guest8293 (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae)20:36
joschpandora: sorry, i failed to tell you: you have to comment out the SignWith: lines20:52
joschpandora: those make sure that what you build is signed with GPG20:52
joschpandora: but you do not have access to the secret key material and you also don't care20:52
joschi wonder what an elegant way for that script would be to distinguish "i'm run on reform.d.n and should sign this" versus "i'm just run for testing purposes"20:53
pandoramaybe the script should get a parameter like debug or test22:06
pandoraand an then just skip things like signing22:06
pandoraor maybe a "local" parameter idk22:06
joschi'm think the script should have a parameter which is the key-id and only require the key if it's provided22:06
pandorayeah sounds good too22:07
pandorarn i just remove 22:10
pandoraSignWith: F83356BBE112B7462A41552F7D5D8C60CF4D3EB422:10
pandora?22:10
joschyes22:10
pandoraor create my own gpg22:10
- akira (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~akira@37.4.230.225)22:11
pandoraii think ur idea is good. the key id should be a parameter22:11
+ akira (~akira@37.4.230.225)22:11
pandorathen everyone who wants to build it can sign it  without modifying the script22:11
joschpandora: you probably had to install additional packages before you were able to run all of this -- do you have a list?22:21
joschit should be something along this list: fakechroot fakeroot devscripts mmdebstrap/bookworm reprepro sbuild schroot debhelper debian-keyring quilt pristine-tar rsync git python3-debian faketime python3-jinja2 uidmap mmdebstrap genext2fs ca-certificates e2fsprogs pigz git mount parted python3-dacite22:21
reform20251yeah i do22:21
joschis anything that you installed not in this list?22:21
pandorano looks good so far22:22
pandorai just installed reprepro,mmdebstrap, devscripts22:22
pandorabut i didn't make it until the end yet22:23
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pandoraBdw I got quite weird rendering artifacts https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TeSu7HnT/trim.F2E032FF-D459-4A15-8B27-EEA9E98B9079.mp422:41
- reform20251 (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~user@business-90-187-186-49.pool2.vodafone-ip.de)22:41
joschminute: rendering artifacts ^22:43
pandorayeah idk what they are called. i saw them before when i got issues with gpu or gpu driver or so22:43
pandora@josch: is there a way to clean up all potential build artifacts... i am getting a "mmdebstrap failed to run"22:47
pandoraotherwise i could just delete the submodules again22:47
joschpandora: "git clean -fdx"22:49
joschpandora: do you have more of an error message for me?22:49
joschpandora: talking about the submodules: you should update reform-debian-packages and reform-system-image to the latest version from source.mnt.re22:50
pandorai do because the error is still there 22:51
pandoramom22:51
+ reform24897 (~user@90.187.186.49)22:52
reform24897https://mister-muffin.de/p/bfOZ.c22:52
joschreform24897: can you show me your output of running "date"?22:53
pandoraah i know what the issue is22:53
pandoraeverytime i reboot it is not sync the time and takes one some time ago22:53
pandorai have to do a manual ntp sync22:53
pandoraforgot about that22:53
joschpandora: on the pocket?22:54
pandorayeah22:54
joschminute: pocket reform does not keep the time ^22:54
pandorathe ntp service is running tho22:55
pandora@josch: chroot should come with coreutils, shouldn't it? i have coreutils install but 'which chroot' yields nothing23:02
joschPATH23:02
reform24897"/home/user/.local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games"23:04
joschsbin is missing23:04
joschwhere are you getting that error?23:04
pandorabdw... the time keeping stopped after my pocket ran out of battery and died23:04
pandoragetting the error in the build script23:04
pandoramom23:04
reform24897https://mister-muffin.de/p/VGHs.txt23:05
pandora*added sbin to PATH*23:11
joschthat's not the problem23:12
joschi'm working on a solution for you23:12
joschyour problem is not that your script cannot find chroot23:12
pandoraTrue my current problem is more this23:19
pandorahttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sz71SzWz/1719609559.JPG23:19
pandora:P23:19
- reform24897 (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~user@90.187.186.49)23:19
pandora:P23:20
joschpandora: i pushed the fix to git23:21
joschnot for your graphical glitches but for your schroot problem23:21
joschyour problem was this:23:22
joschW: No chroots are defined in ‘/etc/schroot/schroot.conf’ or ‘/etc/schroot/chroot.d’23:22
joschthis tells you that sbuild uses schroot as the chroot backend but you want to use the unshare backend23:22
joschbecause as the later error says:23:23
joschE: bookworm-arm64: Chroot not found23:23
joschyou do not have that chroot set up23:23
joschthis has only very little to do with the chroot program being in /usr/sbin23:23
pandoraah ok ... how sbuild and schroot and chroot and unshare backend works together is unknown to me (yet)23:25
pandorapull23:25
pandoraoh i see u fixed the SIGN thing already23:25
joschyes, you trying this out makes me fix all the things that i never ran into because i alreay have everything set up :)23:28
pandorathere is one package i needed to install according to the log that is not in ur list so far23:28
pandorapython3-dacite23:28
joschpandora: it's in the list already though23:28
pandoraahhh23:29
pandorayeah last one23:29
pandorasry23:29
pandorabdw the glitching starts after a few minute after opening vscode23:31
pandorai guess it is some browser graphics gpu magic that fails23:31

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