| jackhill | I think it would be really funny to use in a reform, but I suspect the real benefit will be using iMX8 in places that expect a Pi. | 00:30 |
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| jackhill | hopefully they'll make it open hardware | 00:30 |
| jackhill | then I can always get one build myself if I really want one. | 00:30 |
| jackhill | minute: I got my package yesterday. As usually, beautifully packaged <3 | 00:31 |
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| josch | i'm having a weird issue with my trackball... | 10:20 |
| josch | i have my reform on my lap, typing on it and then this scrolls by in dmesg: | 10:20 |
| josch | https://paste.debian.net/1321644/ | 10:20 |
| josch | at that point my trackball stops working (also mouse buttons do not function) | 10:20 |
| josch | to get it back to work, i unscrew the bottom plate and disconnect and re-connect the usb cable | 10:21 |
| josch | anybody else is having these issues? | 10:21 |
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| Zaba | Sounds like bad electrical contact somewhere on that USB connection | 10:47 |
| Zaba | Maybe a bad crimp in a cable or a solder joint that comes loose when you slightly flex the board | 10:48 |
| gsora | oh, usb resets, my nightmare! | 12:06 |
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| josch | gsora: how so? | 12:10 |
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| gsora | i spent a couple weeks finding a way to make a usb device act as a usb mass storage device | 12:10 |
| gsora | lots and lots of usb resets :D | 12:10 |
| josch | ah of course, i see :) | 12:11 |
| josch | is there maybe a way to trigger what i do manually with unplugging and re-plugging the cable in software? | 12:12 |
| josch | i'd like to avoid having to unscrew and re-screw 10 bottom plate screws all the time (it doesn't happen that often, so not much of a big deal but a workaround would be nice for when it does happen) | 12:12 |
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| josch | minute: jeff geerling keeps mentioning the pocket reform in his videos :) recent mention: https://youtu.be/8qDGV6LTOnk?t=48 | 12:17 |
| gsora | i imagine the device would re-enumerate automatically if it disconnected | 12:18 |
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| * mjw -> Guest3012 | 12:23 | |
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| Zaba | I think it’d be vastly preferable to fix the underlying issue instead of sweeping it under the rug, depending on what exactly it is it may have some nasty side effects | 12:29 |
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| gsora | indeed! | 12:47 |
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| Zaba | Depending on the root cause, an intermittent problem like that can work its way from bad to worse and potentially cause more expensive damage over a long term, so it’s really best to figure out what it is as early as possible (probably starting with a visual inspection of the relevant connectors and cables, for example) | 12:59 |
| AbortRetryFail | josch: i think there's some sysfs trickery you can do to power cycle a usb port | 13:02 |
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| josch | Zaba: true but there are already so many issues and things on my todo list XD | 13:31 |
| josch | (not reform related, just real-life stuff) | 13:31 |
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| mtm | Ack! Just got a notice that my Pocket shipped yesterday, expected | 16:02 |
| mtm | delivery tomorrow. Just in time for the weekend | 16:02 |
| gsora | lucky you! | 16:03 |
| minute | mtm: nice | 16:03 |
| mtm | yeah, purple one with clicky keys. Think I'll order a few Qwiic boards to play with. Is there a "spare" I2C on the original Reform I can maybe attach a Qwiic port to? Would be neat to bring that to one of the side panels | 16:07 |
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| josch | minute: you are worried that a camera (as requested by nlnet) would deter potential users? | 16:35 |
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| gsora | nlnet requested a webcam? | 16:58 |
| josch | gsora: https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/112688664003538358 | 17:01 |
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| hairu | Really happy to see the pocket reform progress from the sidelines, I'm for sure jealous :) | 17:05 |
| hairu | I hope the company keeps thriving | 17:05 |
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| gsora | josch: oh, i wonder why they're pushing for a camera | 17:08 |
| josch | i can imagine that an integrated camera makes it more of a "normal" laptop -- when i show my reform to non-tech people, one of the first things they notice is not the mechanical keyboard or the lifepo4 batteries but the lack of a camera. Even though most of them rarely ever do video chat with their laptop as they all own smartphones that they use for that purpose... | 17:14 |
| gsora | interesting! makes sense for nlnet to finance projects with the intent of mainstreaming the outcome as much as possible | 17:20 |
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| gsora | i've just seen a toot by whitequark that makes a really good point: add an LED tied to the camera power rail: https://mastodon.social/@whitequark/112688814505155062 | 17:23 |
| mtm | I'd say not just an LED tied to the power rail, but put a latch on it too. That way even if the camera is activated for a handful of milliseconds the LED would stay lit | 17:26 |
| mtm | hardware reset button for the latch | 17:27 |
| gsora | what if the switch physically turned both LED and camera no | 17:27 |
| gsora | s/no/on | 17:27 |
| gsora | unlike macs, where the LED is on only when something reads from the camera, just leave it on if the switch is on | 17:28 |
| josch | gsora: please note that i'm only speculating -- only minute can really answer your question | 17:30 |
| gsora | sure! | 17:32 |
| gsora | i'm incredibly excited for my reform, it's been a long time since i had a laptop to hack onto | 17:36 |
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| Twodisbetter | gsora: you'll love it. Lot of good attention has gone into the masterpiece that is the Reform. | 18:22 |
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| anzu | Not sure how much this was talked about here in the past, but I'm really excited about seeing stories of people replacing their smartphones with a pocket reform! | 19:13 |
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| dozens | hinge it open like 00s flip phone, hold it up to the side of your head | 19:27 |
| dozens | HELLO? | 19:27 |
| anzu | :D | 19:35 |
| Sario | I use my phone as a computer, why not use my computer as a phone? | 19:40 |
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| minutenext | yoooo hello from reform next motheboard :D | 20:30 |
| minutenext | +r | 20:30 |
| vagrantc | ACTION cheers | 20:30 |
| minutenext | so far USB-C PD working and ethernet (and uart) | 20:31 |
| minutenext | need to quickly come up with a display connection board design | 20:33 |
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| mtm | I just realized with the reform next layout it would be pretty straightforward to make a small server out of it | 20:50 |
| minutenext | mtm: yep! | 20:53 |
| minutenext | brb | 20:53 |
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| josch | minute: still teasing everybody even while on vacation... i see how it is.. ;) | 21:50 |
| josch | vagrantc: the problem with the #guix channel is, that my request for help would be off-topic there -- it clearly says that they do not discuss proprietary stuff and the reform guix scripts are non-free... | 21:51 |
| vagrantc | josch: ah, yes. makes sense ... there is also #nonguix for such taboo things :) | 21:53 |
| josch | anzu: i'm quite happy with my dumb phone for making phone calls. When I get envious of other people's smartphones, then it is because they run android apps that i cannot run without a smartphone... Some of them can be done with waydroid and similar but it will be hacky :/ | 22:12 |
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| gsora | No way reform next is already alive | 22:32 |
| gsora | Freaking awesome | 22:32 |
| josch | and with the first motherboard revision even! | 22:45 |
| josch | 1926 additions and 0 deletions | 22:50 |
| josch | reform next firmware landed :) | 22:50 |
| gsora | Ha! Incredibile | 22:50 |
| josch | minute: does it help that picotool and picosdk are now in debian? | 22:55 |
| minute | josch: megahelpful actually | 22:57 |
| minute | josch: i installed picotool on next from apt earlier today! | 22:57 |
| josch | then it works \o/ | 22:57 |
| minute | and flashed a connected pocket keyboard :D | 22:57 |
| josch | thank you for testing | 22:57 |
| minute | josch: thank you for packaging it! | 22:58 |
| josch | i guess it makes a lot of sense now that the reform is rp2040 everywhere -- nice! :) | 22:58 |
| theesm | josch, regarding your guix question, is it about the scm_to_stringn conversion error mentioned earlier on here in the context of getting the substitutions for nss-certs? i've seen a similar error a longer time ago on guixes bug tracker, maybe i'll be able to find it again | 23:16 |
| theesm | iirc the cause was something along the lines of GUIX_LOCPATH not being set properly when using guix on a foreign distribution, e.g. not on guix system | 23:17 |
| josch | theesm: that's exactly what i'm doing -- i'm installing the guix package maintained by vagrantc here in the chat | 23:18 |
| josch | theesm: on debian unstable that is | 23:18 |
| josch | theesm: I'm trying to do this with GUIX_LOCPATH: https://source.mnt.re/josch/mnt-reform-nonguix/-/blob/main/.gitlab-ci.yml?ref_type=heads#L37 | 23:20 |
| josch | that's what it tells me to do in the output of the command above | 23:20 |
| Twodisbetter | Awesome to see you coming in live from the Reform next board! | 23:23 |
| theesm | josch, yes you did install glibc-locales and set the right path... i'm not too familiar with gitlabs CI, but does $HOME work as expected in that context; i'd probably add a simple `ls $HOME/.guix-profile/lib` or sth to the .gitlab-ci.yml to check if we're setting the variable to an existing path... | 23:33 |
| josch | right, let me try that next | 23:33 |
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