| minute | mhoye: yes, cage is really cool! one can also run an X application or WM that way (just wrap it in Xwayland -retro) | 00:08 |
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| minute | funky https://www.phoronix.com/news/ARM64-NUMA-Emulation-RPi5 | 01:37 |
| sknebel | huh | 01:44 |
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| mhoye | The killer feature for me is that | 03:41 |
| mhoye | -s option, so that I can still switch around easily. | 03:41 |
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| mhoye | Question: I need to do a screen recording of a problem I'm having at the intersection of tmux and irssi, where page-up only refreshes the upper half of the screen, and page down only refreshes the lower part of the screen. | 14:44 |
| mhoye | Anyone object to my using this channel for that? | 14:44 |
| mhoye | minute: did I understand correctly that you _can_ use typical LiPo 18650s in the reform but that you preferentially went with LiFePo to avoid conflict minerals? | 14:50 |
| josch | mhoye: you could /query me and then i'll type a lot of garbage so that you have something to do page-up/page-down for | 14:55 |
| josch | mhoye: the big reform only supports lifepo4 and not lipo cells | 14:56 |
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| minute | mhoye: also because of the danger of LiIon thermal runaway | 15:09 |
| minute | mhoye: reform is not designed to protect against that, no thermal sensors on the batteries etc | 15:10 |
| + akira (~akira@2a01:599:a00:a2ca:62d1:25c1:1ac4:941e) | 15:11 | |
| josch | i read today that reform next will even have i2c communication between the batteries and the mainboard -- that will make taking temperature reading possible i guess... | 15:12 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:14 | |
| minute | yes | 15:15 |
| josch | that README.md is really impressive -- i somehow thought that the reform next would be much less | 15:16 |
| josch | but it's such a big step up with so much new stuff in it | 15:16 |
| josch | i have *no* idea how you manage to do all of this in 24 hours per day -- wow | 15:17 |
| josch | i can see how this laptop will be very, very close to what a "normal" user expects | 15:17 |
| josch | my wish is that MNT produces something that i can tell friends to buy when their hardware dies | 15:18 |
| josch | what i was reading this morning made the reform next even closer to that goal than i thought it would be | 15:18 |
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| Twodisbetter | josch: exciting stuff for sure. | 16:05 |
| AbortRetryFail | Twodisbetter: if you check datasheets for the individual components it should have some info about temparatures. | 16:06 |
| AbortRetryFail | Batteries and the LCD are what I'd be most concerned with. | 16:06 |
| Twodisbetter | AbortRetryFail: if you know could you just say? At what temp are the batteries and display at risk? | 16:07 |
| AbortRetryFail | nope, I'd have to go look at the datasheets too. :) | 16:07 |
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| - mtm (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 17:17 | |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 17:17 | |
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| Twodisbetter | AbortRetryFail, assumed you already had. Still the onus is on MNT, BUT they are swamped and doing far more important work right now, and I hope Lukas is still having a good vacation. | 17:38 |
| AbortRetryFail | Why is the onus on MNT? They've made all of the designs of the thing public. | 17:39 |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 17:40 | |
| Twodisbetter | AbortRetryFail, they sell the product as a sum of the parts. Asking the customer to go look up individual parts and look at the spec sheets is not wise, nor an established norm. Furthermore some of the parts will list temps based on a specific configuration that may or may not be present in the design of the Reform. Customers might think that they can manage a certain tempature but because of the | 17:43 |
| Twodisbetter | sealed nature of the case, lack of airflow, etc. this may not be the case. While I feel this way, I'm not dinging MNT in the slightest for not having an ambient temp specification listed under specs. Merely suggesting it might be a good thing to list. | 17:43 |
| AbortRetryFail | Publishing the parts list and schematics isn't the established norm either. | 17:44 |
| Twodisbetter | AbortRetryFail, I've already explained why I think it is not a good thing. Part and schemactics not being either is irrelevant to my point. | 17:45 |
| AbortRetryFail | What I found online about the batteries said -20C to 55C storage temp range. | 17:45 |
| Twodisbetter | AbortRetryFail, I've already explained why I think it is not a good thing. Parts and schemactics not being the norm either is irrelevant to my point. | 17:45 |
| Twodisbetter | I saw that as well, and the reason I asked is because the SoC (IMX8) regularly sits at temps close to this in use. I have not perceived any ill effect, but still having the whole system sitting in a hot car for hours has me worried. | 17:46 |
| AbortRetryFail | None of my boutique open-source synthesizer equipment has stuff like temperature ranges documented either. | 17:46 |
| Twodisbetter | same here. My entire eurorack has none of that, well besides the Rossum modules. | 17:47 |
| Twodisbetter | oh and also the Orthogonal devices modules. | 17:50 |
| Twodisbetter | But I would agree, a lot of products don't list stuff like that. But honestly even though you can move your synths, they are not really portable. | 17:50 |
| Twodisbetter | Laptops on the other hand are designed to to be moved and be put in differing situations. | 17:51 |
| Twodisbetter | Anyway thanks for the info on the batter! | 17:51 |
| AbortRetryFail | Tell that to any touring musician. :) | 17:51 |
| Twodisbetter | They put them in gig bags and hard cases. | 17:51 |
| Twodisbetter | Usually in air conditioned vans. | 17:51 |
| AbortRetryFail | Or bake in the hot sun for hours before/during setup | 17:52 |
| Twodisbetter | sucky gig. I'd be like, yo get my synths an sun umbrella. Hahaha | 17:52 |
| AbortRetryFail | tbh im not worried about the PCBs or the SoC. They survive reflow ovens much hotter than a car's trunk | 17:52 |
| AbortRetryFail | the batteries and LCD though might get damaged from excessive heat. | 17:53 |
| AbortRetryFail | Powered on or charging is a different story since its not just environmental heat at that point. | 17:53 |
| Twodisbetter | yeah. I think that is a solid point. | 17:55 |
| Twodisbetter | I can also see why companies might be wary to give out that information. | 17:55 |
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| + akira (~akira@2a01:599:a00:a2ca:62d1:25c1:1ac4:941e) | 18:13 | |
| jjbliss | I've been working on fixing a reform that I damaged back in 2022 and thought I'd ask here if anyone has some advice. | 18:29 |
| jjbliss | The original issue was with the SOM but something fell on the motherboard while the system was open to debug through serial. This caused a momentary short with a noticeable noise and visible spark. After that, I decided I had done enough damage, and I'd take a break from poking at it for a while so things didn't get worse. | 18:29 |
| jjbliss | I recently tried a replacement SOM and that surprised me by booting. There is still an issue that I'm assuming is from the motherboard short. The battery monitor is showing the last cell as 0.0 and the cell above it as 3.0 when all other cells are showing as 3.2. | 18:29 |
| jjbliss | These are new cells, and they are using the protected battery boards now. All eight cells when tested have around 3.2V | 18:30 |
| jjbliss | I've just started checking the battery circuitry on the motherboard and I've discovered that the resistor at R25 is reading around 300 Ohm rather than the 4.7 Ohm it should, so I'm assuming that's at least part of the issue. | 18:30 |
| jjbliss | I thought I'd ask here, if attempting to replace that resistor seems like a likely fix, or if there is probably a deeper issue? I'm not very comfortable doing SMD soldering work, but replacing that resistor doesn't look particularly difficult as far as surface mount soldering goes. | 18:31 |
| jjbliss | The best option is probably just to get a replacement motherboard when they get back into stock on the MNT store, and use this one as a home server with no batteries connected or something like that, but if it's just replacing a resistor, it might be worth a try. | 18:36 |
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| noam | Uh. Huh. | 19:01 |
| noam | Eveery time I boot, the bottom of the keyboard LED flickers on for just a moment | 19:01 |
| noam | but it's impossible to turn the keyboard backlight on | 19:01 |
| josch | oh no :( | 19:08 |
| minute | i'll be back at work and can read and respond tomorrow noam jjbliss | 19:15 |
| noam | no worries | 19:21 |
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| noam | I'm more whinging than asking for help ngl :P | 19:37 |
| noam | I'll figure it out | 19:37 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a07:ca00:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 19:38 | |
| jjbliss | thanks minute. No rush. | 19:40 |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 19:46 | |
| gsora | I’ll be that guy and ask that question: the projected 3 months ETA I see on reform’s shop page is a generic one or it’s related to some sort of order queue? | 19:49 |
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| sknebel | Depends on what product I think | 20:20 |
| gsora | Makes sense! I’m specifically referring to full size reform | 20:35 |
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| AbortRetryFail | lol somebody made the inverse of the PI4 CM adapter. https://www.crowdsupply.com/ov-tech-gmbh/pi-mx8-module | 23:12 |
| + hairu (m-uotkmd@user/hairu) | 23:13 | |
| noam | that's... AbortRetryFail: isn't that strictly worse?? | 23:15 |
| AbortRetryFail | I have no idea. I just thought it was funny. | 23:15 |
| noam | Like... the PI4 CM adapter is about taking a standard part and making it useful in a nonstandard device (the Reform) | 23:15 |
| noam | or, I suppose, making it compatible with the iMX8M module | 23:16 |
| AbortRetryFail | Idk, maybe the PI4 CM module is only standard because of the popularity of the Pi | 23:16 |
| noam | Sure, but my point is that you'll probably be able to find them for years | 23:17 |
| noam | Once this crowdsupply campaign is over, if you're relying on a module, you're unsupported? | 23:17 |
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