2024-06-17.log

- jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~quassel@2600:1700:9e1e:7800:65bb:22a9:60f7:9757)00:14
gustav28noam: same!!00:39
- ephase (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 4.3.1) (~ephase@2a01:e0a:2a:5300:8af3:6216:8fce:7058)00:41
noamqbit: no00:49
- gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-9626524e.019-141-67626730.bbcust.telenor.se)00:50
minutejosch: it will cool through coupling to the bottom of the case00:55
joschminute: would there be space on the mainboard for mounting holes such that the reform 2 coolers can be attached -- that way the reform next motherboard could be used inside the reform 2 even though the cooling would be different :)00:57
- cow321 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)01:06
- mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)01:12
minutejosch: there are a bunch of additional challenges for using the mobo in reform2, it needs to be thought as a whole... but yep, good point01:12
- chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a19:9600:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)01:12
joschminute: mechanically? electronically, stuff like display and keyboard should be compatible with the reform next parts, right?01:14
minutejosch: the reform next has no connectors to the outside and a different power system01:17
minutesorry, reform next motherboard01:17
joschyes, the side-panels would need to be re-designed of course01:18
joschwith the opportunity to add a full-size ethernet plug :)01:19
minutei think the next motherboard as it is would be quite a mess of cables in classic reform01:20
joschi'm already wondering how it is not a mess of cables in the next :D01:20
joschseeing the amount of connectors on the side-panel board designs you posted on fedi01:20
minuteit will be but the mess will be hidden under the keyboard01:20
joschah sure :)01:20
joschand no transparent bottom acrylic :)01:21
minutealso, i might join some of the fpc connectors together later...01:21
minuteexactly :D01:21
joschpotentially allowing different battery chemistries for the charger sounds like a killer feature01:21
minuteit might make more sense to back port the reform next tech to at least part of the classic mobo form factor01:22
minutehave one port side fixed to it and the other modular perhaps...01:22
joschhrm... maybe... i think i really like the flexibility of separating the components, making them exchangable instead of having everything on one big board01:22
minutebut idk yet. first i want to focus on what's best for the next 01:23
joschof course :)01:23
minuteit's hard to think about every component in a multiverse of other form factors01:23
joschit's exciting to see your progress reports :)01:23
+ chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a19:9600:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)01:27
joschoh another question: what are the four holes in the reform keyboard 3.0 pcb at the bottom where the space bar is for?01:28
joschthe square ones i mean01:28
- chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a19:9600:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)01:54
minutejosch: optinal mechanical stabilizers02:04
minuteoptional02:04
minutebut those need to be plate mounted and we don't use a plate02:04
ex-parrotit's very cool to see people starting to get their pocket reforms02:17
ex-parrotslowly but surely taking over the world02:18
ex-parrotI am turning my Reform back in to a laptop again, it's been sitting as a headless brick for compiling things on for a few months02:19
+ pandora (uid585533@id-585533.ilkley.irccloud.com)02:34
pandorathe key mapping in the manual for the trackball buttons for the pocket reform is wrong istn't it? On page 11 it says MB, LB, SM, RB but out of the box it is Scroll, LB,RB and Middle Button?02:34
pandoraand sticky mode doesn't seem to work for me02:38
- nsc (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~nicolas@82-99-142-46.pool.kielnet.net)03:06
+ nsc (~nicolas@34-96-142-46.pool.kielnet.net)03:08
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- cow321 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)07:49
joschex-parrot: oh this reminds me! as i have also a headless reform with ls1028a around:07:51
+ cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)07:52
joschi need to test the MR for reform-tools 1.4407:52
joschthat's the reform-setup-encrypted-nvme improvements07:53
joschminute: we have some (positive!) feedback from the community about that -- did you get to test it yet?07:53
joschotherwise i propose that i test it today and then release it07:53
joschif some adventurous soul with an imx8mq reform or a pocket reform is reading this, i also am still seeking feedback for https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/70 :)07:57
joschex-parrot: if your system isn't a laptop (yet) maybe that can be you? :)07:58
joschminute: Debian linux kernel 6.9 release nears completion: https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/merge_requests/108108:18
joschi guess there will be a new collabora patch stack for the rk3588 to test for you :)08:18
joschnot much activity around the mipi dsi patch by Heiko Stuebner it seems08:19
- nsc (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~nicolas@34-96-142-46.pool.kielnet.net)08:22
- cow321 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)08:26
+ cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)08:34
- cow321 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)08:46
- pandora (QUIT: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) (uid585533@id-585533.ilkley.irccloud.com)08:54
+ cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)08:57
- cow321 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)10:06
ex-parrotjosch: it is a laptop sadly(?) I've just had the lid shut 10:10
ex-parrotI am about to do a reinstall though using the debian installer :)10:11
joschex-parrot: the one from reform.d.n?10:14
ex-parrotyeah10:14
joschuuuuuh10:15
joschplease report any issues you find! :D10:15
ex-parrotof course!10:15
joschor submit patches :)10:15
ex-parrotmy current install is still the "one where we discovered the installer was working"10:15
ex-parrotso I haven't actually run the "official" unofficial debian installer image yet, I Think10:15
ex-parrotI need to do some backups first though, this might not actually happen until tomorrow night at this rate10:16
joschhave your uart adapter ready -- nobody is testing the d-i image, so this is likely broken :)10:16
ex-parrotgood stuff10:16
ex-parrotI look forward to it10:16
joschnice :)10:17
ex-parrotit can't be worse than my own cobbled together installer image that I used last time10:17
ex-parrotwhich was a miracle really10:17
+ cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)10:17
ex-parrotwell, maybe it could be worse, but I'm sure I can handle it :)10:17
ex-parrotI am planning on tempting fate extra hard and installing KDE as well 10:17
joschex-parrot: i had the reform running well with kde plasma10:18
josch(the imx8mq that is)10:18
ex-parrotgood! I hadn't used KDE for decades but I've been using it on my M1 iMac and really appreciating it10:18
minuteh264 decoder for rk3588 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240615015734.1612108-1-detlev.casanova@collabora.com/10:18
joschwhen we were on holidays with family we wanted one machine that everybody could access and kde felt like a familiar user experience for everybody :)10:18
ex-parrotmakes sense10:19
+ pandora (uid585533@id-585533.ilkley.irccloud.com)10:19
ex-parrotdid my shutdown patch end up shipping? I am acutely aware I never came back and polished it up like I had intended :(10:19
joschh264 decoder -- wow, this was *really* neat on the imx8mq10:19
joschex-parrot: can you remind me which patch that was?10:20
ex-parrotthe mq is the "og reform 2" CPU right, or was that an older one still?10:20
ex-parrotjosch: it was the patch to have the kernel inform the lpc about poweroff, rather than using the systemd job10:20
joschex-parrot: yes, imx8mq is the original SoM10:20
ex-parrotok cool10:20
joschex-parrot: this? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/commit/ab6c251717f9a60c664340c45275edfd49cbe7c210:21
ex-parrotmy fleet of debian ARM PCs is growing nicely, I have my PineNote working pretty well with Trixie now also10:21
ex-parrotyeah10:21
ex-parrotspecifically "    // this overwrites something else that has already claimed pm_power_off on reform2 but it'll do for now"10:21
ex-parrotI'd like to improve on that situation10:21
joschex-parrot: there were some problems with that patch on... ls1028a i think?10:22
joschminute was close to reverting it10:22
joschi'm not sure on the details and have to look up the chat logs10:22
ex-parrotah yeah10:22
ex-parrotdamn10:22
- nybble (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~sprang@user/csprng)10:22
ex-parrotI will see about tidying up that issue in the comment at least10:22
ex-parrotI gave myself too much to do and consequently have got very little of anything done :/10:23
pandoraThe link "https://mnt.re/system-image" in the manual seems to lead to a 40410:28
joschpandora: this is known and here is why: https://community.mnt.re/t/dead-link-for-system-images/2151/510:30
joschminute: i @-mentioned you in the forum but let me highlight you again here about this issue ^10:30
pandoraah ok nice . didn't see its an open issue already10:31
joschpandora: i didn't check if it was already fixed, so i think it's good you brought it up again as the link is still broken :)10:32
joschpandora: you know how to get the system image manually?10:32
pandorano not yet...going a bit through the manual rn since i got the pocket since yesterday10:32
ex-parrotmy boss is currently building a Pocket Reform and is at the "cutting down normal sized Kailh choc keycaps on the mill to fit the spacing"10:33
joschpandora: oh nice! let us know of any issues you find :)10:33
ex-parrotbut it's going well I think :)10:33
joschpandora: here is the link to the latest image: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/4529/artifacts/browse10:34
ex-parrotmy backup isn't going to finish in a reasonable timeframe I think, catch you all tomorrow10:34
pandorai kinda started a list on my laptop already :D10:34
pandorashould we report issues here first or rather as a forum post?10:35
joschpandora: either works :)10:36
pandorathere is for example a weird bug with the reform help. if i start the help on the pocket and then want to e.g. open the System. Monitor from the Menu too it doesn't work. All the commands get queued up and not get executed until the "help window" is closed again. That confused me quite a bit yesterday since it appears nothing works. I guess the menu item is some kind of shell script and just missing a " &" at the end?10:38
- colinsane (QUIT: Quit: bye) (~colinunin@97-113-64-230.tukw.qwest.net)10:41
+ colinsane (~colinunin@97-113-64-230.tukw.qwest.net)10:45
minutepandora: ohh, good one10:54
joschanybody using ls1028a with kernel 6.8? I'm somehow unable to execute reform-setup-encrypted-nvme without the system completely locking up (dead on serial) without anything in dmesg (even with loglevel back at 7)10:56
joschminute: did you already see this problem?10:56
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+ colinsane (~colinunin@97-113-64-230.tukw.qwest.net)11:11
joschhuh ls1028a even locks up while doing nothing11:17
joschafter just 1 minute uptime sometimes11:18
joschthe system has nothing attached via usb or ethernet11:19
joschand it worked before -- i just flashed the latest system image and booted from sd-card...11:19
joschokay, this is not going to work apparently... going home...11:53
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- cow321 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)12:07
minutejosch: ugh, didn't see that yet12:07
joschthe time until lock-up seems to be semi-random, sometimes i even get it at the login prompt12:10
joschminute: for these kind of situations it would be nice to have a couple of known-to-work system images from the past around12:11
joschi.e. those where you pressed the "keep" button in CI before updating the https://mnt.re/system-image redirect12:11
+ cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)12:17
minutejosch: hmmmm maybe it's not a software issue?12:21
minutejosch: i did recently test some ls1028as12:21
minutei can check the kernel version on the test sd card12:21
minutejosch: oh damn, that was 6.7.912:22
minutejosch: files are dated march 1812:22
minutethe 54 pocket reforms that were scheduled for customs and pickup last friday finally went out today12:36
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+ mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)16:38
- wakest (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (m-a7d6fe@45.77.48.108)16:41
noamhas anyone done a speaker mod for the MNT Reform?17:27
sigridnoam: https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/11162014385719206517:32
sigridand https://community.mnt.re/t/speakers-too-quiet-try-this/375/617:34
noamthank :)17:34
sigridthe latter is for headphones jack17:34
noamI'm quite happy with the headphone jack tbh17:36
noammaybe I just buy some speakers tbh17:37
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+ ericsfraga (~user@2.28.216.209)18:10
+ cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)18:16
joschnoam: i also did the speaker mod and can confirm that it works great :)18:29
joschbut i put them in parallel with the other speakers: https://floss.social/@josch/11173746654567786218:31
joschbefore this mod, the baby was complaining that my little pony was too quiet18:31
joschworks well now :)18:31
noamjosch: thank :)18:49
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pandoraGot a little question about the pocket. When I use “sensors” or “gnome-power-statistics” I see on 8xlifepo4-spi-1-0 the discharge current and the battery voltage. When I plug it in I don’t see a charge current . It just drops to zero. Any ideas or is this intended behaviour? I would expect the discharge current goes through the same shunt as the charge current?20:12
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+ ephase (~ephase@2a01:e0a:2a:5300:8af3:6216:8fce:7058)20:49
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+ cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)20:59
minutepandora: i think this is a limitation of the driver21:09
minutei _think_ i even updated the driver for that issue locally, let me see21:10
minutepandora: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/blob/master/reform2-lpc-driver/src/reform2-lpc.c?ref_type=heads#L35721:11
noamthe pocket uses lifepo? 21:12
minutepandora: the driver sets amp = 0 instead of doing amp = -amp21:12
minutenoam: no, that's another driver issue21:12
noamoh :(21:12
minutethat is just hardcoded here https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/blob/master/reform2-lpc-driver/src/reform2-lpc.c?ref_type=heads#L5121:12
minuteand should be changed also21:12
noami will pretend this is one reason for me to not get it :P21:13
noamthe more excuses i have the better lmao21:13
minutelol21:21
joschnoam: you could tell yourself that you need to save money for the reform next :)21:43
- cow321 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)21:45
joschnoam: or for the reform qcs6490 cpu module upgrade :)21:45
noamjosch: I've already got a rk3358 preordered :P21:48
+ cow321 (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)21:55
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- cow321 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837)22:19
- cobra (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~cobra@user/Cobra)22:27
joschminute: just had a hunch re ls1028a lockups -- the reform-setup-wizard would only start if a display is attached because otherwise sway cannot run, correct?22:28
+ cobra (~cobra@user/Cobra)22:29
+ ephase (~ephase@82.66.198.11)22:31
jackhilljosch: is the qcs6490 a real thing?22:48
jackhillas a reform module that is22:48
joschjackhill: no, not at all :)22:50
jackhill:)22:50
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+ ephase (~ephase@82.66.198.11)23:00
ephasere23:01
ephaseA311D does not seems tu suport full charge CPU and going aboge 74°C23:01
ephaseabove23:01
joschephase: with "full charge cpu" you mean "full cpu utilization"?23:02
ephaseyes23:03
ephaseall 6 cores23:03
ephaseall 100%23:03
joschokay23:03
ephasewhile compling emojione nix package23:03
joschi'm at 81°C right now23:03
ephasewaou!23:03
josch84°C23:03
joschi ran "stress -c 6" on my a311d23:04
joschseems to level out at 86°C23:04
ephaseSo I had some margin! mine disconnect USB at 7423:05
joschit disconnects usb but your system keeps compiling?23:06
ephaseyes23:06
ephasescreen freeze a while23:06
ephasebut recover one second or two after23:07
joschephase: could you have htop or similar open on your screen while compiling your code?23:07
joschephase: my theory is that you are running out of memory23:07
ephaseI don't think so because I have CPU and Memory on my waybar, all become red when full 23:08
ephaseCPU was red by the way23:08
joschephase: how often per second does that update?23:08
joschit could be that memory is allocated too fast for your waybar to update23:09
joschwith htop you see progression of memory use at reasonable intervals23:09
ephasemaybe, but keyboard backlight and OLED screed go off then on again23:09
joschephase: if it's a thermal issue (could be) you might want to try re-seating your heatsink23:09
ephaseI don't have any issue apart compiling this font (with a lot of SVG file to process and export)23:10
+ chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a19:9600:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)23:11
joschephase: try the following: tell nix to only utilize one core and see if your build succeeds23:11
joschephase: if it does, build with one core and run "stress -c 5" to test the "it's gettig too hot" hypothesis23:12
joschor run "stress -c 6" now immediately to test it23:12
ephaseI kill the build seeing how hot was A311D, it didn't  fail23:14
ephaseI was afraid breaking my CPU23:14
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