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| josch | minute: we just installed a new imx8mq reform with the reform-setup-wizard and have some feedback | 11:42 |
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| josch | after the wizard finishes you are immediately dumped into sway | 11:42 |
| josch | but shouldn't a terminal open with this small text about keyboard shortcuts? | 11:42 |
| josch | as it is right now, you get dumped into sway and don't even know how to open a terminal with super+enter | 11:42 |
| josch | second issue: after opening a terminal and running sudo the message appears "unable to resolve host ${hostname}: temporary failure in name resolution" | 11:44 |
| josch | maybe the reform-setup-wizard is not immidiately applying the chosen hostname? | 11:44 |
| ch | sounds like /etc/hosts didnt get updated? | 11:46 |
| ch | (and not having network, or so) | 11:46 |
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| josch | yes | 11:56 |
| josch | sorry, i'm just abusing irc for quick notes that should technically go into an issie on source.mnt.re instead | 11:57 |
| josch | good news is: | 11:57 |
| josch | we just went through a whole installation starting from a fresh sd-card | 11:57 |
| josch | through the reform-setup-wizard | 11:57 |
| josch | and then using reform-setup-encrypted-nvme | 11:57 |
| josch | and everything worked without an error | 11:58 |
| josch | this relieves me quite a bit because if you receive no bug reports you never know if that is because there are no bugs (haha) or because nobody uses or reports them XD | 11:58 |
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| minute | josch: this channel is very good for dropping these kind of notes ^^ | 16:11 |
| josch | okay :) So the main blockers were, that after the setup wizard you get dropped into sway and nothing tells you basic things like how to open a shell. This information is already written up in /etc/reform-desktop-help and should probably somehow get displayed to the user? | 16:14 |
| josch | The remaining issues were from the fact that the reform was very old (pre sysimage-v3) and still had u-boot without display support and emmc had one big partition instead of two. So we had to first get eMMC into a more modern state. | 16:15 |
| minute | josch: hmm normally you should get thrown into tuigreet | 16:15 |
| josch | We also ran reform-setup-encrypted-nvme which might be something that could be done by the setup-wizard as well. | 16:16 |
| josch | yes, but after tuigreet you get an empty desktoop | 16:16 |
| minute | josch: the issue is that this help terminal has many UX issues, especially on pocket reform | 16:16 |
| minute | josch: i.e. one doesn't know that you can scroll up | 16:17 |
| josch | yes, i'm not sure what the perfect solution would be | 16:17 |
| minute | (there's no scrollbar in foot) | 16:17 |
| josch | i was just reporting the main impression from a first-time user | 16:17 |
| minute | right now you can click on the 3 dots and Help (i think) | 16:17 |
| josch | Oh then we missed the help button | 16:17 |
| minute | yeah, interesting for sure, and we need to do a better job there | 16:17 |
| josch | the three dots are clickable! :D | 16:18 |
| josch | we didn't get that far :) | 16:18 |
| minute | yup :3 | 16:18 |
| josch | in any case, debacle offered to do future experiments for me on his imx8mq reform | 16:18 |
| josch | so i'm now happy to have some volunteer for future kernel version bumps | 16:19 |
| josch | anybody upgraded their reform to kernel 6.8.9 yet? | 16:19 |
| minute | josch: nice | 16:19 |
| josch | it *should* all work correctly if i set up the meta-meta-package correctly | 16:19 |
| minute | i just had a 4 hour phone meeting and my brain is mashed potatoes | 16:19 |
| josch | oh noes XD | 16:19 |
| josch | i'm sitting in a train back home -- my brain is also steaming from very exciting discussions i had today :) | 16:20 |
| josch | i talked with ben hutchings about a standard interface for downstream consumers of the kernel | 16:20 |
| josch | to make it more easy for parties like MNT to have their patch stack get applied on top of vanilla Debian kernel packaging | 16:21 |
| josch | according to Ben, most people just do their own thing and it would be nice if there was a standard solution to the problem | 16:21 |
| josch | i'm now eager to see how the transition of flavour name works out in the wild | 16:22 |
| josch | i hope nothing breaks | 16:22 |
| josch | fingers crossed... | 16:22 |
| minute | josch: that would be cool @ std interface | 16:40 |
| josch | linux 6.8.9 is now in the mnt repos: https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo/pool/main/l/linux/ | 17:19 |
| josch | if somebody could run "apt upgrade" and make sure that this really installs a new meta-package called linux-image-mnt-reform-arm64 that would help! :) | 17:20 |
| josch | and of course that "uname -a" reports that you are now really running on 6.8.9 after a reboot :) | 17:20 |
| josch | so whoever feels adventerous and wants to help testing, i'm looking forward to your feedback | 17:20 |
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| minute | josch: i will try it now | 19:51 |
| minute | heh, oldest kernel on this machine is 5.17.0-reform2-arm64 | 19:56 |
| minute | my home folder on my reform is from june 7, 2020 | 19:58 |
| minute | looks like it did the right thing: | 20:01 |
| minute | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 59 May 20 19:56 dtb -> dtbs/6.8.9-mnt-reform-arm64/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-reform2.dtb | 20:01 |
| josch | that looks good! | 20:02 |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-f936524e.019-141-67626730.bbcust.telenor.se) | 20:02 | |
| josch | this likely means that you have the meta-meta-package called linux-image-arm64 installed as well as the new meta-package called linux-image-mnt-reform-arm64 which then in turn depends on the real kernel package linux-image-6.8.9-mnt-reform-arm64 | 20:03 |
| minute | ok, copied over the kernel, dtb and initrd to my sd card (which is the real boot medium) and edited my extlinux.conf to match | 20:05 |
| minute | (i'm still booting via a hack with vendor uboot) | 20:05 |
| minute | aaand will reboot... :0 | 20:06 |
| josch | oh no XD | 20:06 |
| minute | so far so good! | 20:08 |
| minute | aha, cpu freqs are there now without explicitly having to load the module | 20:09 |
| minute | panthor is also there | 20:09 |
| minute | display worked + luckily usb in initramfs too ;) | 20:09 |
| minute | (so i could unlock the encrypted nvme) | 20:09 |
| minute | monitor brightness control is gone! | 20:10 |
| minute | lucky that the default seems to be full brightness in this case | 20:10 |
| minute | wifi + sound work | 20:11 |
| minute | (wifi is via pcie) | 20:11 |
| minute | lol there is no pwm backlight in the dts for some reason | 20:13 |
| josch | oh no i totally didn't think that when you say "i try this on my reform" then you mean "i try this on rk3588" -- it really boots??? \o/ | 20:13 |
| minute | josch: yeah, typing this on the rk3588! | 20:13 |
| minute | it's my laptop after all :D | 20:13 |
| sigrid | ship it | 20:13 |
| minute | sigrid: trying!! | 20:13 |
| minute | today i did one last minute addition to the module, which i almost forgot... but then remembered on the weekend | 20:14 |
| minute | which is: a pcie clock fanout buffer is needed | 20:14 |
| minute | because rk3588 needs one more refclk for the second pair of pcie lanes of the second controller. so that with next and future reform motherboards one can driver 4-lane ssd | 20:14 |
| minute | s/driver/drive | 20:14 |
| minute | so i put that in today, will sleep over it and double check tomorrow and order new release candidate pcbs | 20:15 |
| josch | wow! | 20:19 |
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| minute | collecting fixes here https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/37 | 20:25 |
| minute | ok, x86 emulation with gpu is still fine | 20:27 |
| + colinsane (~colinunin@97-113-136-129.tukw.qwest.net) | 20:28 | |
| minute | don't wanna jinx it but so far rk3588 is relatively smooth sailing... | 20:31 |
| minute | (compared to other socs+bringups) | 20:31 |
| sigrid | that's good news | 20:31 |
| sigrid | you mentioned extra sai lines and other extra ports(?), are these going to be available on the older mnt reform boards to hook into? | 20:32 |
| sigrid | I did not necessarily understand what this entails | 20:32 |
| minute | sigrid: second sai not, that's only for pocket reform (for the modem), but the extra port yeah, it's a flat cable connector that has some extra signals on it. the main use case is to connect future little boards with wifi/bt chipsets on them | 20:33 |
| sigrid | that's great. I wonder if I can hook an esp32-s3 there | 20:34 |
| minute | if you don't/can't use pcie for that. in classic reform that isn't really necessary because you have mpcie for wifi | 20:34 |
| minute | sigrid: i think you should be able to. the signals are usb2, sdio and uart | 20:34 |
| minute | (+ power) | 20:34 |
| minute | one could also use reforms mpcie slot with a custom mpcie shaped card that only accepts power from the motherboard, and those signals from that fpc connector, and put whatever on it | 20:35 |
| sigrid | i thought of adding bluetooth support to 9front this way | 20:36 |
| minute | nice | 20:36 |
| sigrid | as esp32 then can just provide a fs 9p interface to the host | 20:37 |
| minute | neat | 20:41 |
| minute | ok nice, i have my backlight back | 20:44 |
| josch | it seems that the collabora stack keeps delivering -- nice! | 20:44 |
| minute | yeah | 20:48 |
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| grimmware | sigrid: I’ve been thinking of something similarly cursed whereby you have an MCU connected to a microSD card slot that’s presenting a /net filesystem and then backs on to something with actual WiFi | 21:02 |
| vkoskiv | I think full-size SD cards do exist that do a similar thing. Not sure of the specifics tho | 21:26 |
| jfred-linode | There are SDIO cards with wifi radios in them: https://www.amazon.com/SDIO-802-11b-Wireless-LAN-Card/dp/B000K7GGXI ...mostly not so useful these days but they were useful back in the day when PDAs didn't necessarily have wifi hardware | 21:29 |
| sigrid | grimmware: probably makes more sense to use better interfaces at this point, if available :0 | 21:39 |
| sigrid | * :) | 21:39 |
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| josch | so... for a while i observed that when in complete darkness, my keyboard was still glowing a very tiny bit | 22:19 |
| josch | i now removed some keycaps to investigate, and indeed even after reducing the keyboard backlight brightness all the way down, the leds are still on | 22:19 |
| josch | i took a photo to show the effect: https://mister-muffin.de/p/meoP.jpg | 22:20 |
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| josch | did anybody else observe this effect? | 22:20 |
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| minute | josch: yes, this is known since a patch by vkoskiv that redid the pwm frequencies for the keyboard. still needs to be fixed | 22:30 |
| minute | i'm now gonna install the new kernel package on my pocket reform :0 | 22:31 |
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| minute | hmmmm, reform-qcacld2 was not listed in the dependencies | 22:35 |
| minute | cc josch | 22:35 |
| minute | i have to install the package manually | 22:36 |
| minute | (upgrade) | 22:36 |
| josch | minute: it should be the system image that installs it | 22:36 |
| minute | yeah it was installed (i think). or maybe i have a wonky setup | 22:36 |
| minute | > dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/reform-qcacld2_20240520T104930Z_arm64.deb (--unpack): | 22:37 |
| minute | trying to overwrite '/etc/modprobe.d/reform-qcacld2.conf', which is also in package reform-qcacld2-6.7.9-reform2-arm64 20240404T184643Z | 22:37 |
| minute | hm hm | 22:37 |
| minute | that should be in the metapackage | 22:37 |
| minute | maybe i have/had a really old version | 22:38 |
| josch | and it should also not be installed to /etc | 22:38 |
| josch | it should be in /usr/lib/modprobe.d | 22:38 |
| josch | and yes, two packages cannot share the same file unless they are multiarch:same which cannot work here because those are different versions | 22:38 |
| minute | https://source.mnt.re/reform/qcacld2/-/tree/binary-deb/debian-meta/etc?ref_type=heads | 22:39 |
| + robin (~robin@2603:6081:2241:752:71c3:6c06:a290:62ae) | 22:41 | |
| - robin (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~robin@2603:6081:2241:752:71c3:6c06:a290:62ae) | 22:41 | |
| minute | josch: but good news, the new kernel works, and the new qcacld2 also | 22:42 |
| josch | \o/ | 22:43 |
| josch | good news all around :) | 22:43 |
| josch | makes me very happy :) | 22:43 |
| minute | > Linux pocki2000 6.8.9-mnt-reform-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.8.9-1+reform20240518T141249Z (2024-05-18) aarch64 GNU/Linux | 22:44 |
| minute | josch: me too! a big thank you for doing the port! | 22:44 |
| josch | 6.8.9-mnt-reform-arm64 <- that looks good! | 22:44 |
| + robin (~robin@2603:6081:2241:752:71c3:6c06:a290:62ae) | 22:44 | |
| - robin (QUIT: Client Quit) (~robin@2603:6081:2241:752:71c3:6c06:a290:62ae) | 22:44 | |
| minute | > reform@pocki2000:~$ cat /proc/device-tree/model | 22:45 |
| minute | > MNT Pocket Reform with i.MX8MP Module | 22:45 |
| josch | sweet :) | 22:47 |
| josch | then i guess next you merge https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/37 and then rk3588 u-boot is on the todo list? | 22:48 |
| + robin (~robin@user/terpri) | 22:51 | |
| minute | josch: indeed! | 22:57 |
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