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| minute | fun, chromium (124) is broken for me on debian unstable on my pc: /usr/lib/chromium/chromium: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/chromium/chromium: undefined symbol: _ZN6snappy11RawCompressEPKcmPcPm | 13:09 |
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| josch | minute: you are not alone: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1070227 | 13:14 |
| minute | sniff | 13:15 |
| josch | minute: if i understand it correctly, then the reform next will have multiple individual boards instead of one large motherboard? If yes, if you put the individual boards next to each other, do they take up more area than the motherboard 2.5? | 16:07 |
| josch | in other words: could a (plastic) carrier be created for the big reform which allows mounting the reform next parts so that the big reform can enjoy the benefits of exchangable I/O side-panels? | 16:08 |
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| minute | josch: i've been thinking in a similar direction. i think it would be an interesting concept | 17:12 |
| josch | if such a setup could allow to discontinue the motherboard 2.5, then it would be one less item to keep in stock | 17:20 |
| josch | and for people like me it would allow having the advantages of the reform next (custom i/o ports) without its disadvantages (no trackball and not enough space for mods) | 17:20 |
| minute | indeed | 17:44 |
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| jfred-linode | I guess that would result in losing the DC input jack and power management stuff onboard? | 19:36 |
| minute | jfred-linode: there would be usb-c pd instead of barrel jack | 19:37 |
| jfred-linode | Yeah, makes sense. I do like the flexibility of a barrel jack that can take a wide range of inputs though haha. But USB-C has become pretty universal | 19:40 |
| josch | jfred-linode: but you would also be free to design your custom i/o port including one which turns 9V - 36V input on a barrel jack into whatever the reform next mainboard needs, restoring that functionality from the big reform :D | 19:43 |
| jfred-linode | true! | 19:44 |
| josch | jfred-linode: i'd certainly be interested in that because i've had great success powering my reform from all source of sources like 12 V car batteries or 20 V thinkpad A/C adapters: https://community.mnt.re/t/powering-the-reform-with-thinkpad-ac-dc-adapters/2019 | 19:50 |
| jfred-linode | thinkpad adapters, I'd never thought of that! I only have a few with the rectangular plug, but I have a *ton* of the barrel-style adapters... | 19:52 |
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| josch | the advantage of the thinkpad adapters i have is, that those are 90 W adapters, so in contrast to the adapter that comes with the reform it has no problem supplying it with power even when the batteries are quite empty | 20:02 |
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| minute | hi from pocket reform connected to my HDMI TV at home | 23:04 |
| minute | was vice (https://packages.debian.org/stable/vice) removed from debian? | 23:07 |
| josch | it's still in unstable -- what makes you think it got removed? | 23:08 |
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| minute | josch: hm weird, sorry | 23:11 |
| minute | reform@pocki2000:~$ sudo apt install vice | 23:12 |
| minute | Error: Unable to locate package vice | 23:12 |
| josch | minute: it's in contrib, not in main | 23:13 |
| minute | ahhh contrib | 23:13 |
| minute | which we don't enable by default it seems... | 23:13 |
| minute | does enabling it have downsides? i guess i need to look up what contrib actually is | 23:14 |
| josch | contrib is all the stuff that itself is free software | 23:16 |
| josch | but which requires something proprietary to function | 23:16 |
| josch | foss game engines which need proprietary assets are a classical example for contrib | 23:16 |
| erle | frogatto i guess is i good example | 23:18 |
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| erle | minute to figure out what contrib packages might be worthwhile, i think the following command shows you what you have installed from contrib: aptitude search '~i ?section(contrib)' | 23:21 |
| erle | you can do the same for non-free | 23:21 |
| minute | josch: ah, interesting | 23:21 |
| erle | some packages, like leocad (the lego CAD program) do *suggest* non-free packages. leocad for example does suggest ldraw-parts, which is non-free. so leocad is AFAIK not in contrib, but … probably next to useless without a library of lego bricks to choose from. | 23:23 |
| josch | erle: there is ldraw-parts-free | 23:24 |
| erle | josch i retract my assertion and substitute it with whatever you are saying! | 23:24 |
| josch | erle: ldraw upstream changed license to cc-by-sa 4.0 which is considered DFSG-free | 23:25 |
| erle | oh good to know | 23:25 |
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| erle | i think stuff like torbrowser-launcher that solely exists to download some random stuff and execute it is also contrib? | 23:26 |
| josch | yes, for example winetricks | 23:27 |
| erle | i mentioned this because i *think* it does not depend on non-free stuff in terms of how apt knows about it | 23:27 |
| josch | how do you mean? | 23:29 |
| minute | in any case i have vice working on pocket reform which is nice :3 | 23:29 |
| minute | 10 PRINT "HELLO" | 23:29 |
| minute | etc | 23:29 |
| erle | josch can you point to a non-free package that torbrowser-launcher directly depends on? | 23:39 |
| erle | josch i haven't found any, but i am also sleepy and maybe i should try again | 23:39 |
| erle | josch i think the only reason it is contrib is because the non-free dependency is *outside* what dpkg and apt know about | 23:40 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.16.89) | 23:40 | |
| erle | which is a good reason obv. | 23:40 |
| josch | erle: to reason about if your package should go to contrib, you have to imagine "what if the non-free package were in debian, would it Depends on it?" | 23:41 |
| erle | hmm, then i really don't know what's the deal with torbrowser | 23:42 |
| erle | but i do have to sleep and so i have to defer researching that | 23:42 |
| erle | thanks for all the info though! | 23:43 |
| josch | erle: the answer is: software is considered non-free until proven otherwise. And did you do a copyright review of tor-browser? Firefox (as the basis for tor-browser) contains a large bunch of non-free files which need to be manually removed. | 23:59 |
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