| digitalrayne | i had not seen this before, i could imagine people doing all kinds of fun things with these | 00:06 |
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| erle | digitalrayne lego instruction parts are rendered isometric now. http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/notes/lego-mnt-reform-keyboard-holder-2.html#parts | 01:05 |
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| * Guest4872 -> mjw | 11:57 | |
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| josch | vkoskiv: could you try running apt update && apt upgrade again and check if you still have 700 packages held back? | 14:06 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 14:33 | |
| vkoskiv | I'll try momentarily. Ethernet seems to not be working for some reason | 14:56 |
| vkoskiv | weird, the yellow light just blinks sporadically, no link gets established | 14:59 |
| vkoskiv | nothing in dmesg | 14:59 |
| + jfred-linode (quassel@libera/sponsor/jfred) | 15:01 | |
| vkoskiv | Scratch that: | 15:02 |
| vkoskiv | [ 336.924906] meson8b-dwmac ff3f0000.ethernet end0: Register MEM_TYPE_PAGE_POOL RxQ-0 | 15:02 |
| vkoskiv | [ 336.928209] meson8b-dwmac ff3f0000.ethernet end0: __stmmac_open: Cannot attach to PHY (error: -19) | 15:02 |
| vkoskiv | Same error once or multiple times in one burst | 15:02 |
| vkoskiv | To be investigated, doing it over wifi then | 15:03 |
| vkoskiv | Reboot didn't fix either | 15:03 |
| vkoskiv | josch: 67 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 796 not upgraded. | 15:04 |
| josch | vkoskiv: but nothing held back anymore? | 15:04 |
| vkoskiv | It showed a ton of packages being held back, so I assume that 796 is most of them | 15:05 |
| josch | ah okay :) | 15:05 |
| josch | thank you for confirming | 15:05 |
| vkoskiv | didn't run the upgrade yet, if you want me to try things | 15:05 |
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| minute | new MNT Reform review https://www.osnews.com/story/138608/mnt-reform-review-brutalist-hardware-familiar-software/ | 18:48 |
| minute | vkoskiv: this ethernet issue is normally fixed by reform-hw-setup hm | 18:49 |
| josch | josch: my personal recommendation would be to wait for a few more weeks in the hopes that the people driving the 64bit time_t transition find and implement a way allowing smooth upgrades | 19:19 |
| josch | err vkoskiv | 19:19 |
| josch | vkoskiv: if you need to upgrade something before that happens, feel free to ask me for tips on how to best do that safely if you like | 19:19 |
| jfred-linode | minute: nice review :) | 19:58 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 20:00 | |
| erle | digitalrayne i think the instructions are proper now: http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/notes/lego-mnt-reform-keyboard-holder-2.html | 20:01 |
| erle | digitalrayne i don't think i can possibly make it more lego-booklet-style except if i add arrows and submodels, which i probably will not | 20:01 |
| erle | (but then again i also claimed some days ago that i will not render it isometric) | 20:02 |
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| Sario | Possibly an odd question, but does anyone know what material the "vegan leather" sleeve is made from? | 20:09 |
| jfred-linode | It's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi%C3%B1atex | 20:10 |
| Sario | An answer with a helpful Wikipedia link. This community is awesome. | 20:12 |
| jfred-linode | :) | 20:13 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: nice review! glad to see the design of the Reform getting more love! | 20:25 |
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| digitalrayne | in the review, that intro talking about the comparison to old, thoughfully designed buildings, describing the design as brutalist, i thought was an interesting way to describe the reform, but i wonder if that was how the mnt team felt when reading it? | 21:43 |
| + pandora (uid585533@id-585533.ilkley.irccloud.com) | 21:44 | |
| digitalrayne | erle, oh yeah this looks accurate now I think, i can totally see what you mean, but yes any more accurate and you may have lego sending you emails :) | 21:45 |
| digitalrayne | i always find it funny when people mention laptop speakers in reviews too, like i don't think i've ever used the speakers on a laptop with any level of expectation, it's more like, "i forgot my headphones and there is nobody else around to bother, so i can watch this video on the speakers" | 21:49 |
| digitalrayne | this review does tease once very important question though - power9 reform when? :P | 21:50 |
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| erle | digitalrayne lego is actually pretty chill with things as long as you don't call your non-lego bricks “legos” | 21:58 |
| erle | then they send nastygrams because branding | 21:58 |
| hramrach | digitalrayne: with a truck battery to go with it? | 22:23 |
| hramrach | The desk/server version is already done by Raptor computing, the only missing one would be mobile. | 22:24 |
| sigrid | sparcv8 might be more doable | 22:25 |
| ZylonMaster | power9 when? No idea, openpower when? When microwatt and/or libre-soc become options | 22:26 |
| ZylonMaster | when they are mature and stable enough | 22:26 |
| Zaba | you can probably run a microwatt-based SoC on the kintex-7 SoM | 22:27 |
| ZylonMaster | IF you can buy one | 22:28 |
| ZylonMaster | then yes | 22:28 |
| ZylonMaster | not sure where thats possible though | 22:28 |
| ZylonMaster | who sells it, etc | 22:28 |
| Zaba | https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-rkx7-fpga-module | 22:30 |
| ZylonMaster | no i mean the microwatt part | 22:31 |
| ZylonMaster | lol | 22:31 |
| digitalrayne | hramrach, i'm not opposed to a well designed mnt reform backpack to carry the battery pack :) | 22:31 |
| Zaba | https://github.com/antonblanchard/microwatt | 22:31 |
| ZylonMaster | yeah but i dont think that person sell it yet | 22:32 |
| ZylonMaster | sells* | 22:32 |
| ZylonMaster | if I am wrong feel free to correct me | 22:32 |
| ZylonMaster | but id like to know also where | 22:32 |
| ZylonMaster | if so | 22:32 |
| digitalrayne | i'm reading a lot more about sparcv8 processors than i expected to this morning sigrid, so thank you | 22:33 |
| Zaba | you can synthesize a microwatt-based SoC and run it on an FPGA, there is no need to buy anything besides an FPGA | 22:34 |
| ZylonMaster | hm | 22:35 |
| ZylonMaster | so you would build it yourself | 22:35 |
| ZylonMaster | ? | 22:35 |
| ZylonMaster | hm okay | 22:35 |
| ZylonMaster | makes sense | 22:35 |
| ZylonMaster | If you think you can do that, go for it then | 22:36 |
| hramrach | Can you still get a sparc8? My impression is that the architecture is dead. | 22:36 |
| digitalrayne | i am now uniquely qualified to answer this question | 22:37 |
| digitalrayne | it's licensed to a bunch of companies, the most recent example i've found is 2019 | 22:37 |
| ZylonMaster | are sparc processors used primarily for servers? I never heard about them till I did searches on processors | 22:37 |
| ZylonMaster | lots of searches | 22:37 |
| ZylonMaster | no word od mouth communication | 22:38 |
| digitalrayne | i've never heard of a sparc portable but i've love to be wrong about that | 22:38 |
| hramrach | maybe becayse your hair is not gray yet | 22:38 |
| digitalrayne | there's definitely been workstations though | 22:38 |
| digitalrayne | oh yeah now we're talking: https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102741672 | 22:39 |
| ZylonMaster | ah prolly | 22:39 |
| ZylonMaster | im not a greybeard i got the joke | 22:39 |
| ZylonMaster | :P | 22:39 |
| hramrach | heh, tadpole made the first ultrabooks | 22:42 |
| + mtm- (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 22:47 | |
| hramrach | what is this? https://www.oracle.com/servers/technologies/opensparc-t1-page.html | 22:47 |
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| hramrach | "Comparison of the UltraSparc III Cu & Pentium 4 Processors" they got it wrong, they should compare UltraSparc III Cu to Pentium III Coppermine | 22:49 |
| digitalrayne | opensparc is what started all the licensing of non-sun sparc processors iirc | 22:49 |
| digitalrayne | there is also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraSPARC_T2 | 22:49 |
| digitalrayne | "the T2 typically consumes 95 watts during nominal system operation" there's that battery backpack again | 22:50 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-94-68-252-79.home.otenet.gr) | 22:55 | |
| sigrid | hramrach: https://www.gaisler.com/index.php/products/processors/leon5 | 22:57 |
| hramrach | argh, it's 32bit, who want to use that for anything other than IoS today | 22:59 |
| sigrid | 4gb ram should be enough for everyone | 22:59 |
| hramrach | but ok, it does exist, they did not go out of business to the point their domain would get parked | 23:01 |
| sigrid | I guess some QorIQ powerpc cores are power (heh) efficient enough to be put into laptops | 23:03 |
| sigrid | but I don't know much about those | 23:03 |
| hramrach | but you can pick: vector instructions or LE | 23:03 |
| hramrach | and today you want both if you do not waht to keep whacking bugs for the whole time you use the thing | 23:04 |
| hramrach | somebody overdid the corner cutting | 23:05 |
| hramrach | I think it's this one https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/en/ | 23:07 |
| ZylonMaster | huh | 23:08 |
| ZylonMaster | will look | 23:08 |
| hramrach | the devkit for it is a PCI card :) | 23:13 |
| hramrach | like there is USB OTG it has some PCI(e?) controller that can be used as peripheral and probably as host. or maybe that's separate one, don't remember | 23:15 |
| hramrach | but not littleendian vector instructions 🤷 | 23:16 |
| hramrach | you put a computer into your computer, matroska computing design | 23:21 |
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