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| josch | interesting... on a311d, a linux kernel build with -j4 takes 3.86 hours and with -j6 it takes 3.79 hours. That's barely an improvement but the system is much more usable when building with -j4 | 07:37 |
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| ex-parrot | I kind of like having a slower computer | 07:53 |
| josch | ex-parrot: what are your reasons? | 08:00 |
| ex-parrot | it's something I'm trying to articulate | 08:00 |
| ex-parrot | but it encourages me to do things that are actually useful and pleasant for me | 08:00 |
| ex-parrot | rather than just muck around on the dying web | 08:00 |
| ex-parrot | maybe? | 08:00 |
| ex-parrot | that said I have been processing multiple-hundred-megabyte TIFF images on a modern iMac recently and the fluidity of that is nice | 08:01 |
| josch | ah i heard boostisbetter make the same reasoning | 08:03 |
| ex-parrot | ACTION waves hands in a vague gesture | 08:03 |
| ex-parrot | this is about the extent that I have concrete thoughts on the matter sorry :P | 08:03 |
| josch | i don't mind the slowness 99% of the time because the software i usually use (including the web) doesn't require much | 08:04 |
| josch | but then sometimes... i wish i wouldn't have to wait 4 hours for this kernel to throw the next error message XD | 08:04 |
| ex-parrot | also same | 08:04 |
| ex-parrot | I've been doing a small bit of kernel hacking for work and very glad for the copy-symvers-recompile-one-module-directory trick | 08:05 |
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| grimmware | closest I've ever come to kernel hacking has been eBPF which is super adjacent but totally not actually the same thing. | 10:26 |
| josch | i'm not doing kernel hacking either -- i'm just rebasing patches :) | 10:36 |
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| josch | minute: https://community.mnt.re/t/getting-x11-working-again/1911 also reminded me that we are still shipping X11 config files specific to etnaviv with reform-tools. What would you suggest should we do with those? | 11:20 |
| josch | the content of those files is problematic for people who try out X11 on platforms that are not imx8mq | 11:20 |
| josch | i've run into that myself when attempting to use the LS1028A with other pcie cards | 11:20 |
| josch | i don't know if those can be rewritten to not cause trouble on platforms that are not the imx8mq | 11:22 |
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| josch | minute: nice, your a311d rtw88 bug from https://lore.kernel.org/linux-wireless/CAFBinCBaXtebixKbjkWKW_WXc5k=NdGNaGUjVE8NCPNxOhsb2g@mail.gmail.com/ got included into linux 6.7.2 :) | 14:56 |
| minute | josch: cool :3 | 14:57 |
| josch | minute: do you have some time later to test 6.7.7 as built by https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/23 | 14:57 |
| minute | josch: i would suggest we remove those files and archive there content in this community thread (about x11) | 14:57 |
| josch | it got uploaded to unstable yesterday | 14:57 |
| minute | josch: sure! | 14:57 |
| josch | since the Debian packaging format changed quite redically, there might be breakage ahead | 14:58 |
| josch | *radically even | 14:58 |
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| josch | i also filed two fixes for the Debian linux packaging which broke my 6.8 builds | 15:03 |
| josch | i'm now at build #14 on my poor reform | 15:03 |
| josch | hopefully this is the last one :) | 15:03 |
| minute | wow | 15:07 |
| josch | it actually helped to be back at work today and being able to test builds within 15 minutes instead of having to wait 4 hours :D | 15:09 |
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| minute | josch: damn! you need a faster reform lol | 15:58 |
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| josch | minute: nonononono this is not worth it for the 1% of the time that i would have use for that :D | 16:19 |
| josch | i rather stay with my stable a311d | 16:19 |
| josch | and i mean: i just upgraded XD | 16:19 |
| josch | minute: you can test kernel 6.7.7 by adding this to your sources.list: | 16:25 |
| josch | deb [trusted=yes arch=arm64] https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/3324/artifacts/raw/repo/ reform main | 16:25 |
| josch | and then upgrading linux-image-arm64 *should* do the right thing | 16:27 |
| josch | this is *not* the rk3588 kernel, just a normal upgrade | 16:28 |
| josch | if everything works well, i'll send you a link to the rk3588 kernel a bit after 18:00 | 16:28 |
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| minute | ok so gigabit ethernet works @ rk3588 | 17:20 |
| minute | and sd card works at 4 bit 48mhz, more isn't possible but i think that's because of the way it's wired on the motherboard. so sd card gets like 20 MB/s. i think that's ok for emergency stuff | 17:21 |
| minute | i.e. the motherboad doesn't support switching to 1.8v signalling | 17:21 |
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| minute | so now i just need debian kernel integration :D | 17:27 |
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| minute | josch: before i put rk3588 in my personal reform, i will test your new kernel now | 17:28 |
| minute | on a311d | 17:28 |
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| josch | awesome! if you don't see any regressions, feel free to click the merge button on https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/23 | 17:40 |
| minute | t64 migration is really messing with my apt at the moment :D already removed a lot of multiarch packages yesterday | 17:42 |
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| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a18:fc00:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 18:07 | |
| josch | yes, development for everybody on unstable has been stalled for over a week now | 18:12 |
| josch | i'm resorting to using testing or packages from snapshot.debian.org | 18:12 |
| josch | it is very annoying especially because it was apparently something that was done in a rush because ubuntu wanted 64-bit time_t support for their upcoming armhf LTS release, so thing were done in a hurry without sufficient planning and hence, many issues were only uncovered when it was too late and broken packages were already in unstable... it's a very bad mess.. :( | 18:13 |
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| josch | it was very surprising for me to see how large of a lever canonical has on a volunteer project like debian... | 18:14 |
| sigrid | so that's like.. unpaid labour? | 18:17 |
| josch | well... canonical does employ people full time for their work in debian | 18:20 |
| josch | personally, the problem i see is that a) canonical employs them to work on it but it doesn't necessarily require them to do the work with the same care and quality that i expect from the project and b) it now blocks tons of volunteer time for everybody who has to wait and twiddle their fingers until canonical people are done fixing their mess... :/ | 18:21 |
| josch | sorry, i don't want to rant too much either | 18:21 |
| minute | no, it's good to get some perspective on this | 18:22 |
| josch | this is nothing against the people employed by canonical -- i know many of them in person and value their expertise highly | 18:22 |
| josch | i'd rather like to rant about the company which naturally cares more that stuff gets done so that it can sell it to paying customers rather than that stuff gets done *right* | 18:22 |
| minute | yeah | 18:23 |
| josch | the next big potentially breaking change will be in around a week when the final merged-/usr transition happens | 18:23 |
| josch | but the main driver has put a *lot* of thought into that one, so i expect only minimal fallout, if any | 18:24 |
| josch | i had wished that the time_t transition was handled with similar care and digilence as the merged-/usr transition was in the last half year | 18:24 |
| josch | </rant> | 18:24 |
| sigrid | capitalism. | 18:28 |
| josch | in more positive news, i just pushed linux 6.6.13-1~bpo12+1 from bookworm backports to reform.debian.net :) | 18:28 |
| josch | this is btw just using what MNT ships in the reform-debian-packages repo which is able to build everything not only for unstable but also for bookworm as well as for bookworm-backports without any custom patches :) | 18:30 |
| minute | nice | 18:31 |
| minute | josch: i am typing this from 6.6.7-reform2-arm64 | 18:31 |
| minute | no, 6.7.7-reform2-arm64 | 18:31 |
| minute | :D | 18:31 |
| minute | ah, panfrost still has the regression about l2 power transition timeout and shader power transition timeout | 18:32 |
| minute | (spams the dmesg) | 18:32 |
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| josch | awesome! \o/ | 18:35 |
| josch | thanks a lot for testing! :) | 18:35 |
| minute | still getting decent fps in minetest ^^ | 18:37 |
| minute | ethernet + wifi work too | 18:37 |
| minute | ok then i'll migrate my laptop to rk3588 for dogfooding | 18:37 |
| josch | uff :D | 18:38 |
| minute | technology is accelerating too quickly! :D | 18:42 |
| josch | and you are not even working on the MNT Phone Reform yet! ;) | 18:48 |
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| josch | dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules binary subprocess returned exit status 2 | 19:48 |
| josch | argh! | 19:48 |
| josch | minute: no rk3588 kernel today i'm afraid :( | 19:48 |
| minute | josch: ok, thanks a ton for trying though!! | 19:53 |
| minute | i will have to make do with my monolithic kernel (plus panthor + wifi modules) and reform-init until debian is whole again | 19:54 |
| minute | i shall commit the .dts today though | 19:54 |
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| josch | minute: aha! then maybe i shall wait with my next rebuild until you did that so that i can let it build the dtb for you already? | 20:14 |
| minute | josch: ok! | 20:19 |
| josch | minute: i made changes that should fix the last failure, so ping me once you have the dts ready and i start another build | 20:20 |
| josch | takes 4.6 hours, so tomorrow we maybe have something :) | 20:20 |
| josch | please note: what i'm currently building does *not* have the other reform patches. Just vanilla 6.8-rc1 plus rk3588 patch stack | 20:21 |
| josch | this is the extra kernel options btw: https://paste.debian.net/1309454/ | 20:23 |
| minute | josch: you could cherry-pick this one https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/25/diffs?commit_id=2399dd3d88ea0eac8d3ef71ac6255ba37c9d2c0c | 20:25 |
| josch | # DTC arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-reform2.dtb | 21:24 |
| josch | this just scrolled by my terminal :) | 21:24 |
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| minute | josch: oh nice | 21:30 |
| minute | josch: about the patch headers, i need to double check, i think i did not remove any, i simply did not use git commits to create those pathces | 21:31 |
| minute | patches | 21:31 |
| minute | so i would need to create patch headers in the first place | 21:31 |
| josch | minute: i saw this removal: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/25/diffs#diff-content-02c32eb2533293d117deaa84af21d556f3b9121a | 21:32 |
| minute | ah weird | 21:33 |
| minute | this one is special because i needed to delete the old patch in reform2 | 21:33 |
| minute | ok, rockchip reform also has backlight control now, forgot that before putting it in my laptop :D | 22:19 |
| minute | but now i will take it home and try it a bit more | 22:19 |
| minute | i can already say it is very power hungry | 22:19 |
| minute | i think this will be the first module where powersaving modes come into play | 22:19 |
| sigrid | uh-oh | 22:20 |
| josch | time for my MM Wall Reform which is permanently plugged to the power socket :) | 22:21 |
| sigrid | I will think about getting a portable battery with two comfortable handles for transportation by two persons | 22:31 |
| minute | sigrid: haha | 22:32 |
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| sigrid | I think with a look/format like https://ftrv.se/_/2001.jpg I could keep a good charge | 22:33 |
| josch | i need a rotary dialer! | 22:36 |
| sknebel | you might be able to fit a fold-out one on the underside of a reform ;) | 22:37 |
| josch | and how does a CRT screen fit into the lid of this case?? | 22:37 |
| sigrid | maybe there is a lens and the actual crt is tiny | 22:39 |
| sknebel | there's these weird side-projection ones, but they look different. | 22:42 |
| sknebel | also I never looked at that image in much detail... lol at the cat clock widget on the screen | 22:42 |
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| minute | ACTION chuckles | 23:00 |
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