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| jackhill | hmm, I wonder if I would like the white switches over the brown ones I ordered. I'm definitely a clickly keyboard person, but thought it would maybe to better to get quite ones for a laptop that I might want to use in a variety of contexts. Folks who have used both switches, what do you see as the tradeoffs? | 06:18 |
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| josch | jackhill: i had the white switches only on my trackball v2 and my partner immediately told me that those are way too loud to be used at home when the little one is in bed. Personally, I don't think it is that they are much louder but that their sound is just sharper than for the brown ones. | 07:58 |
| josch | hrm... sharper and with much higher pitch i think | 08:02 |
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| minute | jackhill: what josch said is right, the click is quite pronounced | 10:02 |
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| Twodisbetter | Yeah I have whites on the Mattbook prototype I am making, and they are way loud. I do not like them. The choc reds are where it is at for me. But that said they are all good. It is not like I can't use them just because they click loudly. | 10:19 |
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| josch | about cross-building gst-plugins, the imath package with fixed cross-build dependencies is no in Debian experimental | 10:56 |
| josch | and I also learned about a workaround which does not require us to build meson with this patch: https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/12776 | 10:57 |
| josch | in related news, rust packages for gdk, gtk, glib, pango and friends with the cross-build fix are now in experimental | 10:58 |
| minute | omg nice | 10:58 |
| josch | all of this will probably transition to unstable at the beginning of next week | 10:58 |
| josch | i have a branch where i already use the fixed imath package and the meson fix and compiling gst-plugins-good and bad now is down to half an hour: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/3195 | 10:59 |
| josch | this will be reduced by another 10 minutes once we don't have to custom build imath | 11:00 |
| josch | yeah, i'm really happy about this because this took a long while involving several dozen packages and it's finally coming together :) | 11:01 |
| josch | cross-building mnt-reform-setup-wizard might still fail in the end if there are any sys/bindgen packages involved, but we'll see about that next week | 11:02 |
| grimmware | I was a bit reticent about the clicky whites but it was that or linears for the pocket so I went with the whites because I usually use cherry brown or equivalent | 12:47 |
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| minute | i plan to also offer a version of the pocket keyboard module with browns later | 13:19 |
| minute | josch: i would like to add the following wayland tools to reform-system-image, what do you think: wev, wf-recorder, wayvnc | 13:19 |
| josch | minute: if I'm seeing this correctly, then installing those will just take up 301 kB of uncompressed space | 14:05 |
| josch | so i don't think there is much of a reason against adding them | 14:05 |
| minute | josch: cool, thanks! | 14:06 |
| minute | ok pushed | 14:09 |
| josch | last reform-system-image run was one months ago -- lets see if this one succeeds! | 14:10 |
| minute | :0 | 14:11 |
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| josch | how did the "Merge branch 'main'" commit end up in there? | 14:11 |
| josch | there are currently quite a few disruptive movements (usrmerge, 64bit time_t) going on in Debian unstable, so if it breaks, then i'll not be surprised | 14:12 |
| josch | the latest reform-debian-packages pipeline run finished 13 minutes ago, so the results of that might not have made it into the new reform-system-image | 14:15 |
| minute | josch: i didn't have some changes locally so i had to do a merge commit locally | 14:23 |
| josch | you can avoid merge commits by integrating remote changes with "git pull --rebase=true". I have [pull] rebase=true in my ~/.gitconfig to avoid these merge commits when updating to the latest remote branch after having made changes locally | 14:26 |
| minute | aw :3 ok i will learn | 14:35 |
| minute | how is the workflow then with conflicts? | 14:35 |
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| hramrach | How do conflicts during rebase differ fundamentally from conflicts during merge? They need to be resolved. | 14:49 |
| mjw | minute, if you have time could you take a look at support issue #3488. I really would like you to take my money :) | 15:21 |
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| minute | mjw: i am mostly not directly dealing with support, more like 2nd line, but i think i discusses this yesterday in my meeting with plomlompom | 15:30 |
| mjw | thanks, I'll wait for a reply then. And again, just tell me if what I want is just silly/impossible or needs a lot of time/money on your end. | 15:32 |
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| minute | Twodisbetter: would you accept a UK keycap set instead of US? because we have that ready to go in a bag | 16:15 |
| jackhill | josch: minute: thanks! I guess I'll be happy with my brown ones and save up for an addition white keyboard at some point :) | 16:17 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: I robbed the Penkesu for the keys in the meantime so I can wait. I would prefer the us layout. Thanks for asking though! | 16:42 |
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| minute | Twodisbetter: ok! | 17:31 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: thanks! | 17:55 |
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| josch | minute: did you end up finding a fix of the problem that switching off LS1028A corrupts the filesystem of the system running from sd-card? | 22:03 |
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| minute | josch: not yet | 22:33 |
| minute | josch: my suggestion is to add an async timer/delay to the poweroff command in the keyboard. i.e. the keyboard sets a counter value high and in the mainloop it is decreased and it turns off only after a few seconds | 22:34 |
| josch | minute: but the keyboar doesn't send the poweroff anymore, or does it? | 22:36 |
| josch | i thought there was a patch for the reform-lpc dkms module | 22:36 |
| josch | we removed /usr/lib/systemd/system-shutdown/reform-poweroff from reform-tools which used to send xPWR0 to the keyboard | 22:37 |
| minute | josch: ah sorry, true, it goes directly to lpc | 22:46 |
| minute | josch: so then lpc has to implement this timer | 22:47 |
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| plomlompom | mjw: Just sent you a reply ;) | 23:08 |
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