| vagrantc | hrm. one screw is just not going in on the trackball sensor board | 00:00 |
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| vagrantc | apparently the issue came down to "if force doesn't work, you're not using enough of it" | 00:02 |
| vagrantc | :/ | 00:04 |
| josch | did it work in the end? | 00:05 |
| vagrantc | don't know yet ... but the connection seems reasonable-ish | 00:15 |
| vagrantc | i was hoping this bad cell would at least start to charge, but it is not. | 00:16 |
| vagrantc | i have a few other 18650 lifepo4 cells ... but not sure what AH rating they are ... | 00:16 |
| vagrantc | i'll just force a 26650 cell in and see what happens :) | 00:18 |
| vagrantc | or rather, not. | 00:18 |
| josch | speaking of cells... can somebody recommend a solution that lets me test the capacity of my lifepo4 cells so that i can choose cells which offer most similar remaining capacity depending on their age? | 00:18 |
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| digitalrayne | there's ways to "jump start" them and maybe revive them if you're interested in potentially starting a fire and have a high appetite for adventure (and potentially destruction) | 00:19 |
| digitalrayne | re: batteries | 00:19 |
| josch | yeah, i did that once with li-ion pouch cells which gladly didn't explode XD | 00:20 |
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| digitalrayne | successful adventure! | 00:21 |
| vagrantc | digitalrayne: supposedly this charge can detect this ... but it is not | 00:21 |
| digitalrayne | did you manually check the voltage on the cell already? | 00:22 |
| digitalrayne | couldn't see in backscroll | 00:22 |
| vagrantc | back when it was in the pack, it was reading 0.67v ... but last i checked it was just plain 0v | 00:22 |
| digitalrayne | ah ok the once I've done are < 1v and i just charge them as NiMH for a few minutes, but I don't think I've tried that for completely 0v cells before | 00:23 |
| digitalrayne | *the ones | 00:23 |
| digitalrayne | not official advice, do not do this, usual disclaimers | 00:24 |
| digitalrayne | i also have only ever attempted this with a fire extinguisher nearby, outside in my workshop | 00:25 |
| vagrantc | i have some used 1.5AH cells around here somewhere ... but the ones that came with it are 1.8AH | 00:25 |
| vagrantc | of course, once it hits 0v ... it is never going to see 1.8AH again :/ | 00:26 |
| vagrantc | hrm. well, i should have 6 of those 1.5AH batteries ... can use those till i find some better ones ... | 00:35 |
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| vagrantc | does it make more sense to use 7 of the 1.8ah cells that came with the mnt/reform and 1 1.5ah cell ... or 6 1.5ah cells with two 1.8ah cell? | 00:37 |
| vagrantc | oh, i actually couild scrounge up more of the 1.5ah cells ... and use the remaining 1.8ah cells in those | 00:38 |
| minute | vagrantc: the smallest capacity cell will determine the total capacity | 00:45 |
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| vagrantc | minute: yeah, although when dealing with essentially un-used 1.5AH cells vs. 1.8AH used cells ... it's a bit of guesswork | 01:05 |
| minute | in german wie say "probieren geht über studieren!" | 01:06 |
| minute | and with that, nighty | 01:06 |
| vagrantc | i went with two used 1.5AH cells and six essentially un-used 1.5AH cells ... i don't think these used ones have ever been seriously drained ... | 01:06 |
| vagrantc | ACTION waves | 01:06 |
| vagrantc | ACTION almost has all the parts back together | 01:07 |
| vagrantc | hah. and thanks to the clear bottom, i can easily tell that i forgot to plug the battery cables back in | 01:10 |
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| vagrantc | whoah. trackball is hugely improved. | 01:29 |
| vagrantc | what three ballbearings can do. | 01:30 |
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| Twodisbetter | that is great, and I agree. The ball bearing make the rolling feel like butter. | 09:35 |
| Twodisbetter | that is great, and I agree. The ball bearings make the rolling feel like butter. | 09:35 |
| josch | That, and regularly cleaning the ball bearings. | 09:38 |
| josch | I did that for the first time last week and my trackball is so much better than it was with all the accumulated dust around them. :D | 09:39 |
| vkoskiv | I wonder if a thin layer of felt adhered to the retaining ring would help prevent dust ingress | 10:06 |
| vkoskiv | I haven't had issues with dust, but I'd like to look into ways to reduce the vertical motion of the ball when I'm using my laptop in bed and it's a bit more vertical | 10:07 |
| vkoskiv | I could also try printing a modified retaining ring that leaves a smaller gap there | 10:07 |
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| kuno | @minute hello! any chance we can get a backup update on crowdsupply for the pocket reform? | 14:37 |
| kuno | backer* | 14:37 |
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| grimmware | the bearings on the trackball are fixed in position and just low friction right? Or do they actually roll freely themselves? | 17:38 |
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| josch | grimmware: they are glued into the plastic | 18:27 |
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| minute | kuno: hello! we just published one! | 19:09 |
| kuno | cool, thanks! | 19:10 |
| josch | what was the struggle to "tune everything right with the screws"? | 19:17 |
| minute | josch: counterbores for countersunk screws in 1mm and 1.2mm PCBs are kind of hard to get right | 19:18 |
| minute | so that the screw heads don't stick out | 19:18 |
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| josch | Hah i even struggled with regular M2-sized things like screws, bolts and insert. :D Most things are only sold M4 and larger it seems. | 19:21 |
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| josch | minute: if the device tree name "MNT Pocket Reform (i.MX8MP)" is to remain the same i could add some code to the reform-tools scripts, making them ready for the pocket. | 19:22 |
| minute | josch: great. yes, that seems like a fine device tree name | 19:23 |
| minute | it is indeed time to start building an image for pocket | 19:23 |
| josch | minute: because the others are named "MNT Reform 2 with BPI-CM4 Module" or "MNT Reform 2 with LS1028A Module" | 19:23 |
| minute | i seee hm | 19:23 |
| minute | we can change it to "MNT Pocket Reform with i.MX8MP Module" | 19:24 |
| josch | minute: unless of course the device tree was already submitted to mainline with that name? | 19:24 |
| minute | no, no mainlining happened so far | 19:24 |
| minute | there isn't even hdmi support merged in mainline yet ;) | 19:24 |
| josch | okay, then as a first step, i'll quickly change the name in our patched kernel | 19:25 |
| josch | if nothing has been upstreamed yet, that should be fine | 19:25 |
| josch | i'll also have to adjust this MR against flash-kernel: https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/flash-kernel/-/merge_requests/48 | 19:25 |
| josch | ah right, indeed in that MR vagrantc argued that we should be sure about the dtb name remaining stable | 19:26 |
| minute | oh yeah | 19:26 |
| minute | well yeah, then we can be consistent | 19:26 |
| josch | good that vagrant didn't press the merge button yet XD | 19:26 |
| minute | then there will be MNT Pocket Reform with BPI-CM4 Module and so on | 19:26 |
| minute | MNT Pocket Reform with RCORE Module ;) | 19:26 |
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| josch | rcore? | 19:30 |
| josch | oh the adapter for rk3588? | 19:31 |
| minute | josch: yeah | 19:32 |
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| josch | indeed the only mainlined dtb seems to be arch/arm64/boot/dts/freescale/imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dts | 19:39 |
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| josch | ah now our flash-kernel patch also looks a bit nicer: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/blob/main/patches/flash-kernel?ref_type=heads | 19:53 |
| Sario | This was exciting to see https://liliputing.com/mnt-pocket-reform-mini-laptop-should-begin-shipping-by-late-march-open-hardware/ | 19:54 |
| minute | josch: bpi is not yet mainlined? probably still in merge hell | 19:55 |
| minute | Sario: yay! | 19:55 |
| josch | minute: i only checked the master branch of https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git -- didn't look much farther than that | 19:56 |
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| vagrantc | huh. i could not find higher capacity cells (e.g. 2000mAH) anywhere | 20:14 |
| vagrantc | ordered a fresh batch of 1800mAH cells ... and using 1.5AH cells for now | 20:14 |
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| vagrantc | when i put the trackball back together ... the left button is really prone to popping off ... which happens to be the one i use the most ... are there any tricks to getting it to stick? | 20:15 |
| vagrantc | of course, now that i ask, it seems fine again. :) | 20:16 |
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| minute | vagrantc: thin layer of glue on the leg and letting it dry, perhaps | 21:34 |
| vagrantc | makes sense ... will see if it keeps acting up :) | 21:35 |
| josch | minute: do you have a repo for the pocket u-boot? | 21:38 |
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| shdw | just compiled and flashed the reform keyboard firmware to my new keyboard. great piece of hardware so far! | 21:45 |
| minute | shdw: nice! | 21:54 |
| minute | josch: indeed not, so far i used the preflashed uboot i think :D | 21:54 |
| josch | ah :) | 21:55 |
| vkoskiv | The Verge showing off the pocket reform, nice 8) | 23:00 |
| minute | vkoskiv: huh? where | 23:02 |
| vkoskiv | https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sZ2MSPFZoBE | 23:03 |
| vkoskiv | Not exactly the right audience, apparently it should cost no more than $150 :D | 23:03 |
| minute | ohh that was like a year ago on instagram | 23:04 |
| minute | did they put it on yt shorts now? | 23:04 |
| vkoskiv | Oh, the comments are from 10 months ago too. I guess youtube just decided it was time to show it on my front pagfe | 23:05 |
| minute | NIN lyric comes to mind "God money, let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised" | 23:05 |
| vkoskiv | I generally avoid shorts, just a really annoying experience, but had to check this one out | 23:05 |
| vkoskiv | I prefer to stay on this side of youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelmQOKYK4 | 23:08 |
| minute | lol nice | 23:10 |
| minute | will you go to revision btw? | 23:10 |
| vkoskiv | I need to book my flights | 23:11 |
| vkoskiv | Already have a place to sleep, I think | 23:11 |
| minute | aha! | 23:11 |
| vkoskiv | I'd say 90% likelyhood at this point that I'll be there. Would be hard to miss it now that I've experienced it :] | 23:13 |
| minute | i'm kind of wanting to go but it's unlikely that i will at the moment | 23:17 |
| vkoskiv | 2023 was nice, 100% recommend. Very high reform/normal laptop ratio | 23:19 |
| vkoskiv | We got 3 together for that pic, I think truck had a 4th one but I didn't see it | 23:19 |
| minute | nice | 23:20 |
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| vkoskiv | Guessing you can't just go ask the boss for a few days off, right? :D | 23:21 |
| minute | haha not really no :D | 23:21 |
| vkoskiv | One of the joys of running a business | 23:21 |
| minute | yeah ;__; | 23:21 |
| minute | but it's ok, we're catching up with backlog, and i can't wait to get rk3588 stuff going, and to ship pockets | 23:22 |
| vkoskiv | I'd be willing to bet you could sell units at the event :D | 23:23 |
| vkoskiv | Make it a work thing, partially of course | 23:23 |
| vkoskiv | High % of people who already know/would be interested | 23:24 |
| vkoskiv | (I have no idea how revision handles commercial stuff) | 23:24 |
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