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minute | senzilla: it's still WIP, lets see how much i can map! but yes, the reform connector gains a bunch of additional pcie lanes. | 11:12 |
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senzilla | minute: Would be absolutely fantastic if you managed to map all 7 PCIe lanes! No arm64 SOM apart from the Jetson provide that many lanes 🙂 | 11:35 |
digitalrayne | i don't think i'd even know what to do with that many pcie lanes | 11:36 |
senzilla | minute: I think this would make your rk3588 a very interesting choice for alternative carrier boards as well 🙂 I have a few in mind already 😄 | 11:36 |
senzilla | digitalrayne: A few 2.5GbE ports would be one idea | 11:37 |
digitalrayne | yeah NICs definitely come to mind as an idea | 11:37 |
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digitalrayne | i wonder if you could meaningfully process that much data on the actual CPU, maybe in network switching applications it would make sense? | 11:38 |
senzilla | The rk3588 CPU is pretty powerful. I don't think they would have put 7 PCIe lanes on it if it couldn't handle the bandwidth, no? | 11:40 |
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minute | senzilla: wanna share your ideas about carrier alternatives? | 12:10 |
senzilla | minute: Sure! I'm thinking of a carrier board focused on the server and network appliance segment. Something with two or three 2.5GbE NICs, two SATA 3.0 ports for RAID1 and an open PCIe x4 slot | 12:12 |
senzilla | This would require around 7 PCIe lanes, which is what the rk3588 provides | 12:13 |
minute | i see :3 | 12:13 |
senzilla | minute: With the open x4 slot one could tailor the appliance to be eg a NAS server or other things | 12:15 |
hramrach | gayming machine with a PCIe GPU | 12:19 |
minute | i still need to test if rk3588 can drive pcie gpus! | 12:20 |
minute | https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/05/02/amd-radeon-pcie-graphics-card-tested-with-a-rockchip-rk3588-sbc-radxa-rock-5b/?amp=1 | 12:21 |
minute | http://jas-hacks.blogspot.com/2023/04/rk3588-adventures-with-external-gpu.html?m=1 | 12:22 |
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josch | reading the http://jas-hacks.blogspot.com article i get a feeling that this is why my own attempts failed so far | 14:43 |
josch | with ls1028a that is | 14:43 |
josch | and i clearly lack the skill to hack kernel support in myself | 14:43 |
senzilla | josch: I believe the ls1028a has a proper qoriq pcie controller. While | 14:49 |
senzilla | it might not work out of the box, I think it's meant to be able to drive a GPU | 14:49 |
senzilla | But this is only from anecdotal reading. So i'm probably wrong 😛 | 14:50 |
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minute | i do have a working nvidia gpu for ls1028a | 15:11 |
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josch | senzilla: if you have any tips on what else i can try i'm all ears :) | 15:44 |
josch | i didn't yet try the card that Lukas had working | 15:44 |
senzilla | josch: I'd love to experiment together with you. But unfortunately I don't own a ls1028a | 15:46 |
josch | senzilla: are you familiar with debugging kernel graphics driver problems? | 15:47 |
senzilla | no 😔 | 15:48 |
josch | me neither :D | 15:49 |
josch | maybe i should contact Jasbir and ask for their patches | 15:49 |
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mjw | minute, if you have a minute could you take a look at support issue #3488? It is fine to reply that I misunderstood things or that it would take you lots of time for something custom (I am happy to pay for the service, if you can provide it). | 16:19 |
mjw | (sorry for the unintended pun, but now that I see it, it did make me laugh) | 16:20 |
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minute | out of necessity set up ls1028a in rack reform as a ethernet to wifi bridge | 18:06 |
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hramrach | that external GPU looks like a rabid hole indeed | 19:06 |
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hramrach | still if those fixes needed for rk3588 landed you should not see those bugs anymore whether they apply to the Reform or not | 19:07 |
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josch | hramrach: yes, i asked if those changes are upstreamable or just local hacks and whether maybe they made it into some kernel branch already | 20:16 |
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senzilla | minute: here is a sketch of what I imagined a server or network appliance focused carrier board would look like https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6WDTgGNX/carrier-board-idea.png | 20:46 |
senzilla | If one wants to make it a router then you stick a 4 port NIC in the open PCIe slot. If one wanna make it a NAS, then you stick a SATA card in the open PCIe, etc... | 20:48 |
senzilla | minute: and this is what I'd love 7 PCIe lanes exposed on the rk3588 SOM :) | 20:49 |
senzilla | s/what/why | 20:49 |
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vkoskiv | minute: Have you read the Apple II reference manual, by any chance? | 22:40 |
vkoskiv | I've been reading it to study my vintage Apple, can't help but notice how similar it is in structure to the Reform handbook :] | 22:41 |
vkoskiv | Schematics are all in here, there is even a full size foldout on the rear cover! | 22:42 |
vkoskiv | ROM listings for the included monitor/autostart ROMs, in 6502 assembly. | 22:42 |
vkoskiv | Even comes with a 6502 instruction set description | 22:43 |
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TristonC13 | hey! i was looking to install gentoo on my mnt reform and was wondering if there was anywhere i could look for some pointers | 22:57 |
TristonC13 | I'm used to x86 devices so uboot and such is completely new to me | 22:57 |
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josch | TristonC13: you probably already read this? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MNT_Reform | 23:00 |
minute | vkoskiv: i have not read the apple 2 manual, only commodore manuals! and the mac classic manual | 23:12 |
minute | i shall read the apple 2 manual | 23:12 |
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vkoskiv | My physical copy is this one, I think: https://archive.org/details/Apple_II_Reference_Manual_1979_Apple | 23:13 |
vkoskiv | Sadly without the Woz signature, though :D | 23:13 |
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vkoskiv | Flip to the first page, and fun fact: Chris Espinosa still works at Apple :D | 23:13 |
vkoskiv | Employee #8, if I recall | 23:13 |
vkoskiv | This is more of a reference document, the actual setup instructions and intro are in the two Basic manuals | 23:14 |
vkoskiv | I guess they figured people would start there anyway, most would be writing basic. Shows how to set the thing up. | 23:15 |
minute | aha | 23:17 |
sigrid | the zx spectrums I had also came with manuals - schematics, general use, basic | 23:17 |
sigrid | one even had a full description of all its z80 cpu instructions and so on | 23:18 |
TristonC13 | josch: yes i did! it doesn't go much into detail about any of the set up process and is rather confusing to read considering it uses emerge and "internal storage" is mmcblk0 instead of nvme0 | 23:18 |
vkoskiv | Here's the Applesoft basic tutorial: https://archive.org/details/the-applesoft-tutorial-1979/page/n1/mode/2up | 23:21 |
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hramrach | Writing the reference manuals is a good thing. Some Chinese CPUs don't come with reference manuals, and when you ask they have to *write* them to reply - if they can still find out what it's supposed to do .. | 23:22 |
minute | vkoskiv: i wonder how apple went from being this technical and "open" to this mystery meat walled garden thing | 23:22 |
vkoskiv | That happened with the Macintosh in 1984 | 23:22 |
minute | so pretty early | 23:22 |
vkoskiv | The II series lived on all the way to 1993 in one way or another, though, since a lot of people preferred hackability then | 23:22 |
vkoskiv | In fact, for a good while, the Apple IIgs was technically superior and cheaper than the Mac | 23:23 |
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vkoskiv | Well, in some ways. Mac had a much more advanced 68k CPU, but the IIgs had a color display and slots for expansion :D | 23:23 |
sigrid | perhaps that's part of the "issue" for them. if a computer is hackable, why would you update to the new model right away | 23:23 |
hramrach | it happens to most companies, they find out that to be 'sussecful', that is make a lot of money, a good product is secondary | 23:23 |
sigrid | closed-everything is a great business model, and they do business | 23:24 |
hramrach | if not outright counterproductive - see the Ford product history | 23:24 |
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vkoskiv | This Apple II reference book has all the schematics, ROM listings for the monitor program/startup code, and tons of detail on how the thing works. Even has instructions for upgrading PROM chips for certain upgrades, and how to upgrade and configure the RAM | 23:24 |
hramrach | it went through pretty much the same thing as Apple, and it's not a coincidence | 23:25 |
TristonC13 | minute: i'd wager the walled garden started around when they went public | 23:25 |
vkoskiv | The basic tutorial books have lots of jokes in them | 23:25 |
vkoskiv | TristonC13: The engineers protested. They added a debug port to the original 1984 Mac logic port that just happened to have all the signals needed for a hypothetical memory expansion board :] | 23:26 |
vkoskiv | s/logic port/logic board | 23:26 |
TristonC13 | kind of like the odd happening with the switch having a glaring homebrew-enabling flaw? lol | 23:27 |
vkoskiv | In fact, a friend bought a 128K Mac some years ago, and I discovered a hand-built board on that header on the board | 23:27 |
TristonC13 | i'm of the opinion that someone at nvidia willingly added that | 23:28 |
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minute | hmm | 23:28 |
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minute | in other news, rk3588 adapter pcbs are on the way and also the components required for the first bringup. | 23:38 |
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josch | \o/ | 23:49 |
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