2024-02-16.log

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minutesenzilla: it's still WIP, lets see how much i can map! but yes, the reform connector gains a bunch of additional pcie lanes.11:12
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senzillaminute: Would be absolutely fantastic if you managed to map all 7 PCIe lanes! No arm64 SOM apart from the Jetson provide that many lanes 🙂11:35
digitalraynei don't think i'd even know what to do with that many pcie lanes11:36
senzillaminute: I think this would make your rk3588 a very interesting choice for alternative carrier boards as well 🙂 I have a few in mind already 😄11:36
senzilladigitalrayne: A few 2.5GbE ports would be one idea11:37
digitalrayneyeah NICs definitely come to mind as an idea11:37
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digitalraynei wonder if you could meaningfully process that much data on the actual CPU, maybe in network switching applications it would make sense?11:38
senzillaThe rk3588 CPU is pretty powerful. I don't think they would have put 7 PCIe lanes on it if it couldn't handle the bandwidth, no?11:40
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minutesenzilla: wanna share your ideas about carrier alternatives?12:10
senzillaminute: Sure! I'm thinking of a carrier board focused on the server and network appliance segment. Something with two or three 2.5GbE NICs, two SATA 3.0 ports for RAID1 and an open PCIe x4 slot12:12
senzillaThis would require around 7 PCIe lanes, which is what the rk3588 provides12:13
minutei see :312:13
senzillaminute: With the open x4 slot one could tailor the appliance to be eg a NAS server or other things12:15
hramrachgayming machine with a PCIe GPU12:19
minutei still need to test if rk3588 can drive pcie gpus!12:20
minutehttps://www.cnx-software.com/2023/05/02/amd-radeon-pcie-graphics-card-tested-with-a-rockchip-rk3588-sbc-radxa-rock-5b/?amp=112:21
minutehttp://jas-hacks.blogspot.com/2023/04/rk3588-adventures-with-external-gpu.html?m=112:22
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joschreading the http://jas-hacks.blogspot.com article i get a feeling that this is why my own attempts failed so far14:43
joschwith ls1028a that is14:43
joschand i clearly lack the skill to hack kernel support in myself14:43
senzillajosch: I believe the ls1028a has a proper qoriq pcie controller. While14:49
senzillait might not work out of the box, I think it's meant to be able to drive a GPU14:49
senzillaBut this is only from anecdotal reading. So i'm probably wrong 😛14:50
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minutei do have a working nvidia gpu for ls1028a15:11
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joschsenzilla: if you have any tips on what else i can try i'm all ears :)15:44
joschi didn't yet try the card that Lukas had working15:44
senzillajosch: I'd love to experiment together with you. But unfortunately I don't own a ls1028a15:46
joschsenzilla: are you familiar with debugging kernel graphics driver problems?15:47
senzillano 😔15:48
joschme neither :D15:49
joschmaybe i should contact Jasbir and ask for their patches15:49
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mjwminute, if you have a minute could you take a look at support issue #3488? It is fine to reply that I misunderstood things or that it would take you lots of time for something custom (I am happy to pay for the service, if you can provide it).16:19
mjw(sorry for the unintended pun, but now that I see it, it did make me laugh)16:20
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minuteout of necessity set up ls1028a in rack reform as a ethernet to wifi bridge18:06
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hramrachthat external GPU looks like a rabid hole indeed19:06
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hramrachstill if those fixes needed for rk3588 landed you should not see those bugs anymore whether they apply to the Reform or not19:07
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joschhramrach: yes, i asked if those changes are upstreamable or just local hacks and whether maybe they made it into some kernel branch already20:16
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senzillaminute: here is a sketch of what I imagined a server or network appliance focused carrier board would look like https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6WDTgGNX/carrier-board-idea.png20:46
senzillaIf one wants to make it a router then you stick a 4 port NIC in the open PCIe slot. If one wanna make it a NAS, then you stick a SATA card in the open PCIe, etc...20:48
senzillaminute: and this is what I'd love 7 PCIe lanes exposed on the rk3588 SOM :)20:49
senzillas/what/why20:49
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vkoskivminute: Have you read the Apple II reference manual, by any chance?22:40
vkoskivI've been reading it to study my vintage Apple, can't help but notice how similar it is in structure to the Reform handbook :]22:41
vkoskivSchematics are all in here, there is even a full size foldout on the rear cover!22:42
vkoskivROM listings for the included monitor/autostart ROMs, in 6502 assembly.22:42
vkoskivEven comes with a 6502 instruction set description22:43
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TristonC13hey! i was looking to install gentoo on my mnt reform and was wondering if there was anywhere i could look for some pointers22:57
TristonC13I'm used to x86 devices so uboot and such is completely new to me22:57
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joschTristonC13: you probably already read this? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MNT_Reform23:00
minutevkoskiv: i have not read the apple 2 manual, only commodore manuals! and the mac classic manual23:12
minutei shall read the apple 2 manual23:12
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vkoskivMy physical copy is this one, I think: https://archive.org/details/Apple_II_Reference_Manual_1979_Apple23:13
vkoskivSadly without the Woz signature, though :D23:13
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vkoskivFlip to the first page, and fun fact: Chris Espinosa still works at Apple :D23:13
vkoskivEmployee #8, if I recall23:13
vkoskivThis is more of a reference document, the actual setup instructions and intro are in the two Basic manuals23:14
vkoskivI guess they figured people would start there anyway, most would be writing basic. Shows how to set the thing up.23:15
minuteaha23:17
sigridthe zx spectrums I had also came with manuals - schematics, general use, basic23:17
sigridone even had a full description of all its z80 cpu instructions and so on23:18
TristonC13josch: yes i did! it doesn't go much into detail about any of the set up process and is rather confusing to read considering it uses emerge and "internal storage" is mmcblk0 instead of nvme023:18
vkoskivHere's the Applesoft basic tutorial: https://archive.org/details/the-applesoft-tutorial-1979/page/n1/mode/2up23:21
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hramrachWriting the reference manuals is a good thing. Some Chinese CPUs don't come with reference manuals, and when you ask they have to *write* them to reply - if they can still find out what it's supposed to do ..23:22
minutevkoskiv: i wonder how apple went from being this technical and "open" to this mystery meat walled garden thing23:22
vkoskivThat happened with the Macintosh in 198423:22
minuteso pretty early23:22
vkoskivThe II series lived on all the way to 1993 in one way or another, though, since a lot of people preferred hackability then23:22
vkoskivIn fact, for a good while, the Apple IIgs was technically superior and cheaper than the Mac23:23
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vkoskivWell, in some ways. Mac had a much more advanced 68k CPU, but the IIgs had a color display and slots for expansion :D23:23
sigridperhaps that's part of the "issue" for them. if a computer is hackable, why would you update to the new model right away23:23
hramrachit happens to most companies, they find out that to be 'sussecful', that is make a lot of money, a good product is secondary23:23
sigridclosed-everything is a great business model, and they do business23:24
hramrachif not outright counterproductive - see the Ford product history23:24
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vkoskivThis Apple II reference book has all the schematics, ROM listings for the monitor program/startup code, and tons of detail on how the thing works. Even has instructions for upgrading PROM chips for certain upgrades, and how to upgrade and configure the RAM23:24
hramrachit went through pretty much the same thing as Apple, and it's not a coincidence23:25
TristonC13minute: i'd wager the walled garden started around when they went public23:25
vkoskivThe basic tutorial books have lots of jokes in them23:25
vkoskivTristonC13: The engineers protested. They added a debug port to the original 1984 Mac logic port that just happened to have all the signals needed for a hypothetical memory expansion board :]23:26
vkoskivs/logic port/logic board23:26
TristonC13kind of like the odd happening with the switch having a glaring homebrew-enabling flaw? lol23:27
vkoskivIn fact, a friend bought a 128K Mac some years ago, and I discovered a hand-built board on that header on the board23:27
TristonC13i'm of the opinion that someone at nvidia willingly added that23:28
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minutehmm23:28
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minutein other news, rk3588 adapter pcbs are on the way and also the components required for the first bringup.23:38
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josch\o/23:49
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