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| minute | strange new som dropped https://linuxgizmos.com/forlinx-embedded-fet-d9360-c-som-accommodates-d9-pro-processor-and-up-to-16gb-ram/ | 00:21 |
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| erle | mnt reform standalone keyboard too flat on the desk? check out my lego technic mnt reform keyboard holder https://mister-muffin.de/p/G088.pdf | 00:45 |
| erle | this is how you put the lego reform keyboard holder on the desk: https://mister-muffin.de/p/pGxV.png | 01:01 |
| erle | imagine the purple thing is the keyboard (perspective skewed) https://mister-muffin.de/p/ayiy.png | 01:09 |
| minute | as mentioned in another channel, imho the ergonomic way is to lift the wrists, not the keyboard https://ergonomics.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/KIN-ADV2WUSB-2_1_600x.jpg?v=1603883041 | 01:18 |
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| josch | erle: i imagine the problem would be that this would just slide around on the desk like crazy | 08:13 |
| josch | my own custom external keyboard chassis has a huge base in comparison and it still took some effort to make it stay in place | 08:13 |
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| hramrach | your mouse or trackpad missing the middle button? they have a fix! https://ergonomics.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/KIN-SAVLTAF_5000x.jpg | 10:10 |
| josch | are these to be attached to a piano? ;) | 10:12 |
| hramrach | no, no, you take out your laptop on the bus, attach these, ... profit! | 10:42 |
| minute | quite interesting talk/slides https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2023/schedule/getting-the-rk3588-soc-supported-upstream/ | 10:46 |
| digitalrayne | swapped the Inolux N125HCE-GN1 in my Reform out for an IVO M125NWF4 and the difference in contrast is really noticable, the Inolux screen was great and all but it's so nice being able to just upgrade it easily | 10:46 |
| minute | digitalrayne: oh, i don't know about that one, is it compatible? we only considered BOE and AU optronics so far | 10:47 |
| minute | oh wow it looks like a drop-in? | 10:47 |
| digitalrayne | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005036533756.html <- yep if you look at the datasheet it's a total drop-in | 10:47 |
| minute | amazing | 10:48 |
| minute | thanks for telling me that! | 10:48 |
| digitalrayne | no problem :) | 10:48 |
| minute | according to panelook it's still in production :0 | 10:49 |
| digitalrayne | oh only one note! I had to adjust my eDP cable as the connector is right in the middle of the screen | 10:49 |
| minute | ahaa? did you need to cut a bit of the tape or sth? | 10:49 |
| digitalrayne | nope! just pulled it through the hinge so there wasn't so much cable in the screen, that was all, just pulled it through the hinge and into the main reform case | 10:50 |
| digitalrayne | the actual connector ws a perfect fit | 10:51 |
| digitalrayne | *was | 10:51 |
| minute | ah, great. we know of two different connector positions with these displays, center and somewhere on the side | 10:51 |
| minute | so you had non-center before i guess? | 10:52 |
| digitalrayne | yep that's correct, slightly to the left before, now in the center | 10:52 |
| minute | got it | 10:52 |
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| josch | in the talk Sébastien Reichel mentions that display support isn't done for rk3588 and a lot of work is remaining to be done in that area -- did the situation improve since last year october? | 12:35 |
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| minute | josch: there's HDMI support at least ^^ | 13:04 |
| minute | so that's enough to get the internal display working via hdmi->edp, but we want native edp of course | 13:04 |
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| minute | thread about LS1028A future: https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/111929859493854964 | 13:46 |
| erle | josch i am using the lego technic mnt reform keyboard holder and it does not slide around at all | 13:47 |
| erle | josch flat wooden desk btw | 13:47 |
| josch | ah okay, i only have laminated desks here at home and at work :) | 13:56 |
| josch | minute: about LS1028A, maybe do a pre-order thing and only make another batch after you have gathered enough interest? | 13:57 |
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| erle | josch if you have lego technic, try it. the angle is not enough to slide off. | 14:09 |
| josch | erle: i'm not saying it would slide off the lego, i'm saying it would slide on my table because of not enough friction | 14:10 |
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| mjw | minute, o, the ls1028a sold out :{ | 14:24 |
| mjw | minute, Personally I would love to get one, precisely because it is blob free. | 14:25 |
| mjw | but the original cpu module was working fine | 14:26 |
| mjw | I really should do a tune up for the mnt reform though. | 14:26 |
| josch | mjw: do you plan to use the ls1028a inside the reform or in another custom setup? | 14:27 |
| mjw | as replacement inside my current mnt reform | 14:27 |
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| josch | mjw: then it will not be quite blob-free because you probably want to use the internal display | 14:37 |
| mjw | yes, I never fully understood the deal with the graphics | 14:37 |
| mjw | which was one reason I was hesitant to update, because I wasn't sure how that would work. | 14:38 |
| mjw | sadly the page is gone https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-ls1028a-module | 14:39 |
| mjw | there was some language about how you could use it blob free, but apparently that didn't apply to the actual display only to external hdmi display? | 14:39 |
| josch | mjw: the blob is in u-boot, see https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-ls1028a-uboot/ | 14:40 |
| mjw | right, so just like the original cpu module blobs then :{ | 14:40 |
| josch | mjw: yes, if you don't have this blob, you only have external hdmi but not the external display | 14:40 |
| erle | josch it does not slide of the table though. also the keyboard holds onto the lego because of the thin metal thing at the back | 14:40 |
| erle | off | 14:40 |
| josch | erle: cool! | 14:40 |
| mjw | josch, I assume you meant not the Internal display? | 14:41 |
| josch | errr... yes | 14:41 |
| josch | if you don't have this blob, you only have external hdmi but not the internal display | 14:41 |
| mjw | so then I was kind of right for not really believing the ls1028a was blob free :{ | 14:41 |
| mjw | too bad | 14:41 |
| josch | now i heard that minute has a hdmi->edp converter... | 14:42 |
| mjw | so, yeah, then the ls1028a isn't much different from the other cpu modules | 14:42 |
| minute | josch: ls1028a does not have hdmi | 14:43 |
| josch | aha! | 14:44 |
| minute | mjw: soon there will be 5x ls1028a available at crowd supply | 14:44 |
| mjw | minute, right, but then I would to buy it and install it myself... | 14:44 |
| minute | josch: the problem with pre-ordering is the accumulating debt to people who ordered, combined with the fact that you can't refund paypal payments older than 180 days | 14:44 |
| mjw | ACTION is really a bit of a hardware noob | 14:44 |
| josch | mjw: apologies, indeed there is no hdmi... i failed to parse this table https://mntre.com/modularity.html#table | 14:44 |
| minute | recently someone canceled a big order that was older than 180 days | 14:44 |
| minute | we had to suck up the 114 euro in paypal fees | 14:45 |
| mjw | I was actually hoping to sent in my current reform and get some other parts replaced too | 14:45 |
| minute | mjw: are you in the US/ | 14:45 |
| minute | ? | 14:45 |
| mjw | no, Europe, the Netherlands | 14:45 |
| minute | ok. we can still install that module as a service of course | 14:46 |
| minute | (if you get it from CS) | 14:46 |
| minute | mjw: the page is not gone, are you getting an error? https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-ls1028a-module | 14:46 |
| minute | ohhh there is an error if one is not logged in as me... weird | 14:46 |
| mjw | ok, that might be a deal, bit odd, shipping it back to you, but ok :) | 14:46 |
| mjw | minute, I am indeed not logged in as you :) | 14:46 |
| josch | mjw: i think my hdmi confusion is created because i have different pcie cards attached to my ls1028a and then i have hdmi and display port :) | 14:47 |
| mjw | minute, let me sent an email to support, to see what the options are. | 14:47 |
| mjw | josch, now your confusion is my confusion. so, to get the internal display working you need a pcie graphics card? | 14:48 |
| minute | josch: yeah, i have an mPCIe graphics card here that might work for this purpose, but not fully tested | 14:48 |
| minute | ironically the hdmi->edp adapter has builtin binary firmware | 14:48 |
| minute | but that does not count according to the FSF model ^^ | 14:48 |
| vkoskiv | isn't that the funky chip that has an x86 core inside? | 14:48 |
| minute | (because that is unrelated to the main soc) | 14:48 |
| minute | vkoskiv: yep, a turbo86 or sth | 14:48 |
| josch | mjw: nono, i'm not using mine inside the reform | 14:49 |
| mjw | OK, so that table says "eDP has closed source firmware (required only in laptop)." so as a cpu module inside the mnt reform it is not blob free? :{ | 14:49 |
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| josch | mjw: i posted a photo of my setup here: https://community.mnt.re/t/questions-and-requests-about-the-rack-reform/1871/5 | 14:50 |
| josch | mjw: yes, as a cpu module inside the mnt reform laptop with internal display support, you are still left with ls1028a-mhdpfw.bin as a loadable firmware blob | 14:51 |
| mjw | so, if that is true, and I feared it was, then the ls1028a never really was an blob-free option (as part of the mnt reform) | 14:51 |
| mjw | maybe what a really want then would be a mnt rack | 14:52 |
| josch | or my MM Wooden-Board Reform :) | 14:53 |
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| mjw | minute, sent you (well support) email to discuss what my options are. Should have done that before the ls1028a sold out, but well, here we are :) | 15:25 |
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| minute | mjw: thanks! | 15:43 |
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| * Guest5805 -> mjw | 16:43 | |
| jackhill | minute: I'm not sure if this is helpful to you, but I considered the ls1028a, but decided I prefered stock. The ram upgrade would have been the selling point for me, but the other tradoffs weren't worth it (power, multi-monitor). I probably should have done the upgrade iMX module befor it was discontinued, oh well. | 16:48 |
| jackhill | I appreciate your pride in it. I do value minimal blobs, but am willing to be pragmatic. I'd probably be more likely to experiment with other compute modules (budget allowing) if/when I get a other reform (probably rack, but maybe pocket or regular) so I have one to use and one to experiment with :) | 16:51 |
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| jackhill | I'm also not sure what I would do with pcie over the HDMI connecter. Would be interesting to see examples. | 16:59 |
| minute | jackhill: cool, thanks for the input! | 17:06 |
| jackhill | :) | 17:06 |
| josch | i think nobody has yet utilized the pci connection exposed via the hdmi port, right? | 17:49 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 17:56 | |
| sevan | minute: regarding the LS1028A toot, would a module with 32GB RAM be possible? | 18:00 |
| sevan | (perhaps that could be a module line where you push the RAM capacity, but it's done in small batches where folks who are interested step forward to invest in the development, like you did with the 8/16GB modules when you started out the idea) | 18:05 |
| * cwebber- -> cwebber | 18:08 | |
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| romi | Hello -- Just received my unit. I get random power offs and ???% battery level, does the shipped units have the latest firmwares? Or shall I try that? :) | 18:13 |
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| sevan | romi: if you press the circle button on your keyboard to make the menu on the keyboard show up & then choose system status, you'll get the version info for keyboard & system firmware | 18:36 |
| romi | ah nice, thanks! | 18:37 |
| josch | romi: your oled will show ???% for the battery status until you have once charged up the batteries until ful | 18:39 |
| josch | romi: how long have you had your reform connected to power? | 18:39 |
| josch | romi: at some point it should say 100% | 18:39 |
| romi | Had it 6hrs ago but I unwrapped it and plugged it 1h ago | 18:41 |
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| josch | romi: and it has been sitting plugged in for 1 hour without reaching 100%? | 18:44 |
| romi | If I look from sway, the indicator says 100%, I’m still ???% for the board | 18:45 |
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| josch | romi: what the oled says is important here, because that's what your lpc thinks | 18:46 |
| josch | romi: can you leave it plugged in for a bit longer and watch the oled display? | 18:47 |
| josch | the batteries should be full within one hour but just to be sure... | 18:47 |
| romi | Yes for sure, should I shutdown the OS? | 18:48 |
| josch | i don't think you need to | 18:48 |
| josch | the lpc will charge batteries independent on whether the processor draws power as well | 18:49 |
| josch | it will just result in more power drawn from your wall socket | 18:49 |
| romi | Okay! I’ll ping you if it displays a percentage or in a hour | 18:49 |
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| romi | hey here it is, 100% :} | 19:18 |
| romi | josch: looks all good, thanks! | 19:18 |
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| josch | nice :) | 19:28 |
| * f_ -> funderscore | 19:56 | |
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| minute | digitalrayne: about the keycaps, do you need them for kbd v2 or v3? | 20:24 |
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| josch | sevan: I don't think 32 GB would buy you much (literally quite the opposite, given how much that would cost). Since it LS1028A only has two cores, I'm never getting even close to the situation I find myself in with A311D where software usually decides to use as much parallelism as there are cores available. And then I run out-of-ram with the 3.7 GB A311D. Do you have a single-core workload that would | 21:09 |
| josch | require more than 16 GB for LS1028A in mind? | 21:09 |
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| digitalrayne | minute: v2 please, if possible | 21:36 |
| minute | digitalrayne: alright! | 21:37 |
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| sevan | josch: I'll let you know in the next month or so, going to try and switch to the reform as a daily driver. | 22:17 |
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| sevan | (I'm on a stock 4GB RAM CPU module, so it doesn't really answer your question about >16GB per core workload) | 22:19 |
| sevan | I was just coming from "more RAM is always good" angle. | 22:20 |
| minute | sevan: stock imx or a311d? :3 | 22:26 |
| sevan | minute: stock imx :D | 22:27 |
| minute | sevan: not interested in a311d? might make the dailt driving easier, just sayin' | 22:28 |
| minute | daily | 22:28 |
| minute | (except if you need 9front or openbsd) | 22:28 |
| sevan | minute: I don't. I'm thinking about 2 or 3 months down the line, when I can spend some money I would finally be able to get a fancy CPU module | 22:29 |
| sevan | minute: can't do anything right now regarding buying an a311d right now. | 22:30 |
| minute | aw ok! | 22:31 |
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