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| minute | meh, work pc (intel i9-9900) became unstable, will freeze completely every few hours. display stays on. does not react to hard reset, needs power cycle | 14:03 |
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| josch | may be a hardware issue with caps getting old | 14:07 |
| minute | vddgfx is wildly fluctuating hmm | 14:07 |
| josch | minute: i have new input for the mb25 charging issue | 14:07 |
| minute | sometimes 731mV | 14:07 |
| minute | that doesn't sound normal | 14:07 |
| josch | with the same cable and the same two usb-pd 20V adapters I can successfully charge my reform by changing the usb-c wall adapter | 14:08 |
| josch | it works with an apple usb-pd adapter which claims to be able to provide 4.7 A at 20 V | 14:08 |
| minute | aha? | 14:09 |
| josch | so that's an adapter close to 100 W | 14:09 |
| josch | with the other two i tried that claimed to be 60 W and 65 W i ran into issues | 14:09 |
| josch | it would still be nice to be able to configure the charging speed so that charging also works with my 60 W usb-pd adapters | 14:11 |
| josch | i'll purchase a 100 W usb-pd adapter but use your slow-charging patch until then | 14:11 |
| josch | just tried a second cable as well with the same results | 14:16 |
| josch | so switching out the power supply for a beefier one helped while the other components (20V usb-pd adapters and cabling) stayed the same | 14:17 |
| josch | minute: did other buyers of mb25 report similar observations? | 14:18 |
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| sevan | minute: it could be the PSU is on its way out | 15:02 |
| minute | sevan: bios update and disabling power mgmt seemed to help for now... lets see if it is stable | 15:10 |
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| AbortRetryFail | I haven't had a chance to test the slow-charge patch yet. :( | 16:33 |
| AbortRetryFail | Does anyone know if there's battery longevity consequences to charging LiFePO4 in pulses? | 16:34 |
| minute | idk... i'm not 100% comfortable with that patch yet also | 16:35 |
| minute | for me the "delayed start" patch just works TM | 16:36 |
| minute | without any pulsing | 16:36 |
| AbortRetryFail | Yeah, I have a feeling some kind of delayed/soft start would fix it | 16:36 |
| AbortRetryFail | ACTION still needs to try the capacitor on RNG/SS | 16:36 |
| AbortRetryFail | I just haven't had the Reform apart since I've been using it a lot | 16:37 |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: yup, so i implemented that now in a patch and it made the hiccups go away for me on the stock power supply | 16:37 |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: great to hear you're using it a lot :3 | 16:37 |
| AbortRetryFail | Which hiccup? | 16:37 |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: the issue that the power supply would stop supplying power probably because of overcurrent (but this is not 100% scientifically validated) | 16:38 |
| AbortRetryFail | This totally replaced my old HP | 16:38 |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: what were the rough specs of old hp? | 16:38 |
| AbortRetryFail | Huh mine has not done that yet. | 16:38 |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: ah. you had a different charging issue? | 16:38 |
| AbortRetryFail | Its an EliteBook 745 II, AMD Kaveri of some sort I think | 16:38 |
| AbortRetryFail | I had the grounding/noise issues with teh Mean Well adapter and overcurrent shutoff with USB trigger cables. | 16:39 |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: here's the (sketch quality) charge delayed start patch http://dump.mntmn.com/mb25_lpc_charge_delay.patch | 16:39 |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: ah ok. | 16:39 |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: you're on LS1028A IIRC? or a311d? | 16:39 |
| AbortRetryFail | Normally I charge my Reform off an Astron smps for radios | 16:39 |
| AbortRetryFail | imx8mq | 16:40 |
| minute | oh ok wow | 16:40 |
| AbortRetryFail | Tbh teh fact that the Reform has batteries that work and don't self-discharge to death in 3 days makes it 1000% more useful than the HP :) | 16:40 |
| minute | haha nice | 16:42 |
| minute | josch: i haven't heard of these mb25 issues other than from you i think, and from myself with the stock power supply (but only at home, maybe that one is a bit weak) | 16:43 |
| minute | the easiest solution would be to spec the psu current to 100W... :D | 16:43 |
| minute | (or sth between 60 and 100, don't know yet what supplies exist) | 16:44 |
| sknebel | too bad about the RNG/SS issues (did your testing back then include if thats generally a problem or only when using it to shut down the charging entirely as the original design did? I had a search but didnt find anything officially documented about these issues) | 16:44 |
| sknebel | (like could you still use it for a "weak charger" mode even if the original use case didnt work?) | 16:45 |
| AbortRetryFail | in my experience it hasn't been the Reform shutting down charging, but the charger turning itself off. | 16:49 |
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| minute | sknebel: the RNG/SS input does not reliably work | 17:08 |
| minute | we had someone with connections to the manufacturer look pretty intensely into it and then gave up on it | 17:08 |
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| minute | for reform next i will switch to totally different power chips | 17:08 |
| minute | from TI | 17:08 |
| minute | but those didn't exist back then | 17:09 |
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| sknebel | right, I was just curious if that was "its totally unreliable" or "it didnt work for what we wanted to do", but I take it it's the former | 17:09 |
| AbortRetryFail | i'm curious of the same thing. The Reform is not the only device I have that uses that chip. | 17:09 |
| minute | sknebel: it messes with the voltage regulation | 17:09 |
| minute | on a % of the ICs/boards | 17:10 |
| minute | this was a huge headache during first batch testing until i found the workaround with the diagonal resistor bodge... | 17:10 |
| minute | so i soldered that into 100s of motherboards | 17:10 |
| sknebel | right. yeah, if using it at all breaks the overall voltage regulation thats of course no good | 17:12 |
| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 17:29 | |
| minute | we just did some tests and we found out that CUI CMS-18132-18SP sounds a bit better than the PUI speakers we used so far in reform | 17:36 |
| minute | these are kind of a drop in replacement... they're not ~substantially~ better but a little bit more depth | 17:37 |
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| josch | minute: apart from a more beefy power supply, another fix would be to switch out the resistor you talked about at some point. You said there was a resistor that controlled the charging speed. | 18:41 |
| minute | josch: yeah, but that is non trivial for people who already have the new mb | 18:42 |
| minute | we've shipped it in lots of reforms | 18:42 |
| minute | also the value hasn't really changed from the first mb... so idk why this happens now | 18:42 |
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| josch | minute: i'm more thinking along the line of giving my board and the schematics to a person who knows what they are doing :) | 18:44 |
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| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 20:33 | |
| josch | minute: more mb25 charging news. I'm still running your delayed charging firmware. I have an external powerbank which has a 12 V output rated at 15 A. PLugging the reform into that resets the power bank and i have to plug out all cables and hold the "on" button for a few seconds to restart it. | 21:19 |
| josch | (that powerbank had no issues with mb 2.0) | 21:21 |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-16-182.customers.tmcz.cz) | 21:29 | |
| minute | josch: weird | 21:30 |
| minute | i wonder if something is up with the inrush limiter | 21:30 |
| minute | do you have an usb-c power meter? | 21:32 |
| minute | tomorrow i'll get one | 21:32 |
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| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-16-182.customers.tmcz.cz) | 21:37 | |
| vagrantc | josch: i'm eyeing up a new u-boot-menu upload, curious if you have any further thoughts or patches on https://bugs.debian.org/1053814 | 22:01 |
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| josch | minute: i don't have one (yet) | 22:15 |
| josch | vagrantc: i have no further thoughts | 22:17 |
| josch | vagrantc: is the fix not to just call u-boot-menu in postinst if the last version is "" and if /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf.bak does not exist? | 22:17 |
| josch | minute: do you have a module that you are fairly confident could help me diagnose what is going on? | 22:18 |
| josch | *model | 22:18 |
| minute | josch: nope, not yet | 22:18 |
| minute | tomorrow i'll get my first one ever | 22:18 |
| vagrantc | josch: maybe? :) | 22:20 |
| josch | vagrantc: okay, you'll get a patch :) | 22:22 |
| vagrantc | josch: i'm nervous about this sort of thing as flash-kernel does that sort of thing poorly and would love to not have the same mistakes. | 22:24 |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Read error: Connection timed out) (~XYZ@78-80-16-182.customers.tmcz.cz) | 22:24 | |
| josch | vagrantc: what kind of problem do you fear could arise? | 22:24 |
| vagrantc | josch: just probably scared, is all. :) | 22:26 |
| AbortRetryFail | minute: make sure you get a USB-C power meter that doesn't need bus power to operate. Mine is useless for this because it resets when the charger drops out. | 22:26 |
| minute | ugh | 22:27 |
| minute | ok | 22:27 |
| AbortRetryFail | I wonder if something weird happens during the negotiation/switch from 5V to 20V? | 22:27 |
| AbortRetryFail | like maybe the LTC4020 is trying to boost up the 5V by pulling a hell of a lot of current then the voltage changes abruptly and there's a surge before things are able to adjust. | 22:28 |
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| josch | vagrantc: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/u-boot-menu/-/merge_requests/14 | 22:44 |
| josch | vagrantc: not tested yet. I don't have time right now. Maybe you can test it or wait until i find time. :) | 22:44 |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-16-182.customers.tmcz.cz) | 22:51 | |
| vagrantc | josch: thanks! will test | 23:10 |
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| josch | minute: seems hard to find a usb-c tester that allows more than 5 A | 23:12 |
| + jagtalon (~quassel@user/jagtalon) | 23:12 | |
| josch | ah no wait at 20 V, 5 A are more than enough | 23:15 |
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| Aard | you get 100W, if you need more you'd probably go for 50V devices | 23:16 |
| vagrantc | can't imagine it would draw more than 20v@3a=60w | 23:17 |
| vagrantc | or are the newer boards significantly more power hungry? | 23:17 |
| josch | vagrantc: i have two 60 W usb-c pd adapters that both fail to power the reform motherboard 2.5 | 23:19 |
| josch | vagrantc: it worked well with a 100 W usb-c adapter | 23:19 |
| vagrantc | wow | 23:21 |
| josch | the problem becomes more pronounced the more empty the batteries are | 23:24 |
| josch | my 60 W adapters are able to keep the reform powered when the batteries are 99% or 100% | 23:24 |
| josch | and with the charge-delay patch, lower values were possible | 23:24 |
| josch | but charge levels below 80% will fail without a proper strong power source | 23:25 |
| minute | josch: it is a bit puzzling that the polyfuse doesn't catch this | 23:34 |
| minute | i mean, the real fusy fuse | 23:34 |
| minute | 2 of them actually | 23:34 |
| minute | but that would also not be very nice if it would burn the fuses | 23:35 |
| josch | maybe it's just a spike at the very beginning of charging and the fuse is too slow to react? | 23:38 |
| josch | well, it's just idle speculation | 23:38 |
| josch | minute: i found some usb-c testers that are able to just measure voltage and current -- but somehow i feel it would make sense to be able to also detect volatage and/or current spikes? | 23:39 |
| - chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a12:5900:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 23:40 | |
| josch | i mean in my case it's probably going to show values for a second or less and then back to zero | 23:48 |
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