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minutecc josch (just FYI, don't know how to deal with this yet) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=105849713:40
joschminute: i'm not familiar with the api transition of libwlroots-dev to 0.17 and would have to sit down and look into it myself as well first13:46
minuteok, sure... will write it in my list13:56
joschsorry that i can't be of more immediate help but i'm also not a wayfire user so my motivation for this is low XD13:59
minutesure thing :D14:05
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joschminute: i hear my reform charging in my headphones -- do you observe the same?15:01
joschthe buzzing noise stops once the batteries are full15:02
joschminute: hell yeah i think i found the exact mini pci-e -> x16 adapter that you used! https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005006424569391.html15:06
joschlets see if that allows me to replicate your results :)15:06
AbortRetryFaili wonder if that's ripple on the power rail or noise coupled in from the switching power supply15:17
AbortRetryFailACTION goes to check if his does it15:18
AbortRetryFailjosch: mine makes a whining in the left channel charging or not. plugged in to my 13.8v DC supply changes the pitch and volume of the whine.15:22
AbortRetryFailplugging it in with the 24v MW adapter also changes the pitch and volume of the whine15:23
AbortRetryFailwith some music playing at a reasonable volume I don't really notice it.15:25
+ dustfinger (~user@d75-159-228-18.abhsia.telus.net)15:27
AbortRetryFailoh, now that's very interesting... having pavucontrol open increases the noise, probably because it opens the device for recording.15:28
AbortRetryFailWhine seems to be coming from the Left Output Mixer LINPUT3 control. Muted that and it goes away almost entirely15:30
AbortRetryFailACTION really needs to tear this thing down and do the headphone capacitor mods... >_>15:31
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joschAbortRetryFail: thank you for confirming! With motherboard 2.0 i also had a buzzing but it was less noticable and yes, it changes with the power supply.16:01
AbortRetryFailmine is 2.016:02
joschyeah i had hoped the humming noise problem would be fixed in 2.5 -- no idea whether there will be a revision after 2.516:04
joschminute: if there is a possibility for motherboard revision 2.5+ (i don't know how hard it is) it would be really nice to have the usb ports output more amps. For example I cannot attach my external keyboard/mouse combo to my reform (but it works with my desktop at work)16:05
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AbortRetryFaildid you check alsamixer? 18:16
AbortRetryFailLINPUT3 is tied to 3v3 and the output for jack detect and really should be muted. Mine probably wasn't muted from when I was goofing around trying to fix the Mic input.18:17
minutejosch: hmm normally there is no current limit on mb2.5 USB18:29
minutejosch: did you run into one?18:29
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joschminute: i have several usb devices that refuse to work with the reform, yes19:46
joschplugging some in would even cause a reset in the host controller, so i don't have mouse or keyboard for a few seconds19:46
joschlooks like this: https://paste.debian.net/1303677/19:47
joschi don't know if it's the current but for example my trackball/keyboard combo works fine with the reform when plugging them in individually but not when attaching them through a usb hub19:47
hairuWould those be >500mA usb devices by any chance?19:47
joschhairu: possibly -- one is a external dvd drive19:48
hairuAh.19:48
hairuAt least it doesn't reset the entire SoC eh.19:48
hairuDo you think there might be some way to safely provide more power to the reform's ports?19:49
hairuThere are increasing amounts of higher power usb devices around since usb319:51
hairuNot just hdd/optical drive, but also stuff like wifi (which is built in, yes, but...)19:52
joschyes, an external hdd drive (with a spinning disk) also fails to work with the reform with the same symptoms19:53
joschnext think i'll try is if the situation improves by drawing power from more than one usb port at the same time but i'll have to solder myself a cable for that first19:54
hairuMaybe there can be some rewiring so that there's a transistor with its logic hooked up to the usb controller voltage, to either enable/disable power directly from the voltage regulator, in parallel with the rest?19:55
+ wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)19:56
hairuOf course, a current limiter circuit might also be important so the rest still gets the power it needs depending on ratings of components19:56
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hairus/power directly/power usb devices directly/19:59
hairuI think maybe I need more coffee20:00
sevanit's reassuring that despite Jeff's comparison of thickness, there are folks in the comments who appreciate the thickness20:19
sevan"The thickness definitely appeals to me...i own two 90s machines and it will fit right in"20:19
sevansomeone was asking for a 21" monitor to go with the thickness.20:19
sevanI see we go all in20:19
sevanI'm not sure what a thick laptop with a 21" display would be like to carry around, but I would like to be on a busy train when someone pulled it out to work on during the morning commute :)20:21
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sevans/I see/I say20:24
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minutejosch: ok i think it's not really a current limit but more like a high inrush current / voltage dip20:28
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joschminute: could the reform mainboard do something to handle those similarly how other hardware manages?21:21
minutejosch: btw the Y-cable you're talking about exists already, it was usually included with usb harddisks21:26
minutefor that same reason21:26
minutejosch: i guess one could include even huger capacitors in reform but idk right now, i'm really low energy at the moment trying to organize the last bits of pocket reform assembly21:28
- f_[xmpp] (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (fffdb90022@fases/developer/funderscore)21:30
Zabalooking at the power supply rails with an oscilloscope would be a good start21:32
- Twodisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (2cc0e4ea1c@irc.cheogram.com)21:32
minuteZaba: yep21:33
+ jacobk (~quassel@47-186-95-57.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net)21:34
eibachdReally don't want to spam this channel. But if anybody fancies the idea to learn FPGA programming, there is a new blog post: https://zeromips.org/posts/2024-01-08-superpower/21:41
sevannice :)21:42
- dustfinger (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~user@d75-159-228-18.abhsia.telus.net)21:49
minuteeibachd: this kind of stuff is always welcome ^^21:52
eibachdminute: that's what I was hoping for ;)21:54
minuteright now testing the first production imx8mplus module22:19
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joschminute: i hope you manage to catch some breath soon! :)22:40
joschi hope i don't end up highlighting you too often22:41
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minutejosch: haha no problem, i'm gladly highlit23:02
joschokay :)23:03
joschACTION played more stardew valley tonight on my reform in multiplayer. No crashes so far and spring is over in two days. Unfortunately my V key started to bounce and/or stop responding now... Maybe it's time to switch to keyboard v3 now. XD23:06
minutekbd v3 is good! but might also be possible to firmware-debounce your keys23:08
joschdoes debouncing also help the key suddenly getting *not* pressed when i keep it pressed for longer times?23:13
joschmy V key is W for you, so i need it to "walk" with "WASD" :)23:13
jfredmy spacebar on v3 has been bouncing, need to find some time to troubleshoot that23:18
joschi had a similar problem with my O key and it seems to have been resolved by applying a bit of flux and solder to the feet of the offending key from the bottom of the keyboard23:21
minutejosch: no, that probably wouldn't help @ not pressed23:28
minutejosch: it sounds more like a cold solder joint again for sure 23:28

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