| josch | q66: seems like it: https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/111496243862527349 | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| q66 | cool | 00:06 |
| q66 | i checked and apparently i can just freely buy tickets now? idk what's up with that | 00:06 |
| q66 | that was never talked about | 00:06 |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b01ee6916b3c39b471c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 00:18 | |
| mtm | just installed a version 3 keyboard in my Reform. Two (possibly related) issues: backlight is not working (F2 in menu) and the keyboard is stuck in standalone mode (sw36 is off). Menu options seem to work other than the backlight. Ideas? | 00:18 |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b01ee6916b3c39b471c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 00:18 | |
| josch | mtm: you flashed the laptop version of the firmware and not the standalone version? | 00:19 |
| mtm | I've flashed nothing | 00:19 |
| josch | i don't know whether v3 keyboard comes with the standalone or the laptop firmware | 00:19 |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~XYZ@37.48.35.0) | 00:20 | |
| mtm | hmm, okay. the docs seem to indicate just setting the switch is enough. I'll try flashin it | 00:20 |
| minute | q66: it looks like they didn't sell out in the presales, unusual | 00:20 |
| mtm | what about the backlight though? | 00:21 |
| minute | mtm: we ship with standalone fw by default | 00:21 |
| mtm | ah, okay | 00:21 |
| minute | mtm: backlight should normally come on after usb connection to laptop is established | 00:22 |
| mtm | might want to update the keyboard docs to indicat that :) | 00:22 |
| q66 | minute: considering the new system is pretty bad it's not that surprising i guess | 00:22 |
| q66 | i know several people who bailed on it because they got annoyed with it | 00:22 |
| minute | mtm: true, we should | 00:23 |
| minute | q66: yeah :/ | 00:23 |
| q66 | mainly the presale started way too late + the replicating voucher means a major reduction of accessibility to people who previously were able to go | 00:24 |
| mtm | I'll update you tomorrow on the backlight status after I flash it | 00:24 |
| q66 | and if the tickets didn't even get sold out, what's the point | 00:24 |
| minute | mtm: thanks | 00:25 |
| minute | q66: sounds like a miscalculation perhaps | 00:26 |
| q66 | yeah i guess | 00:27 |
| q66 | i got my ticket in the second presale event with a voucher, i guess i didn't really need to | 00:28 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 00:29 | |
| q66 | oh well back to trying to figure out why valve's steam deck kernel config has working bluetooth and my own configured kernel does not | 00:32 |
| q66 | same codebase, nothing obvious in the diff, nothing in dmesg, device does not show up | 00:33 |
| - cow321 (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~deflated8@50.39.247.54) | 00:37 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 00:42 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 00:49 | |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 01:02 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 01:37 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 01:42 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 01:53 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 02:06 | |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 02:07 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 02:08 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 02:11 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b01ee6916b3c39b471c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 02:24 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b006eb09023d729ba5d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 02:24 | |
| + cow321 (~deflated8@50.39.247.54) | 02:54 | |
| - chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a09:c300:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 03:13 | |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 03:15 | |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 03:18 | |
| - colinsane (QUIT: Quit: bye) (~colinunin@97-113-159-4.tukw.qwest.net) | 03:32 | |
| - vagrantc (QUIT: Quit: leaving) (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 03:35 | |
| + colinsane (~colinunin@97-113-159-4.tukw.qwest.net) | 03:46 | |
| - nsc (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~nicolas@172-48-142-46.pool.kielnet.net) | 03:56 | |
| + nsc (~nicolas@144-49-142-46.pool.kielnet.net) | 03:58 | |
| + reform18112 (~schmillin@ip70-160-215-143.hr.hr.cox.net) | 04:22 | |
| - reform18112 (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~schmillin@ip70-160-215-143.hr.hr.cox.net) | 04:22 | |
| - sknebel (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de) | 04:40 | |
| + sknebel (~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de) | 05:01 | |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-124-62.customers.tmcz.cz) | 05:12 | |
| - Ar|stote|is (QUIT: Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) (~linx@149.210.8.163) | 05:25 | |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.8.163) | 05:26 | |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 05:29 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 06:56 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 06:56 | |
| + inhji9 (~inhji@2a01:4f8:1c0c:42e4::1) | 08:14 | |
| - violet (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~vi@user/violet) | 08:15 | |
| + violet (~vi@user/violet) | 08:16 | |
| - ggoes (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~gregf@fsf/staff/ggoes) | 08:16 | |
| + ggoes (~gregf@fsf/staff/ggoes) | 08:16 | |
| - inhji (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~inhji@2a01:4f8:1c0c:42e4::1) | 08:16 | |
| * inhji9 -> inhji | 08:16 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 11:08 | |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~XYZ@78-80-124-62.customers.tmcz.cz) | 11:13 | |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-124-62.customers.tmcz.cz) | 11:36 | |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 13:03 | |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a09:c300:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 13:08 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b006eb09023d729ba5d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 13:51 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@2a01:599:204:c07e:d584:ab4c:203f:f940) | 13:52 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~eibachd@2a01:599:204:c07e:d584:ab4c:203f:f940) | 14:06 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b005ede258401a2002b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 14:06 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b005ede258401a2002b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 14:21 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b01a4596c214b907e53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 14:23 | |
| + sts-q (~sts-q@2a01:41e1:622a:9000:6e62:6dff:fecd:f80) | 14:29 | |
| - sts-q (PART: sic.ha parts.) (~sts-q@2a01:41e1:622a:9000:6e62:6dff:fecd:f80) | 14:35 | |
| + sts-q (~sts-q@2a01:41e1:622a:9000:6e62:6dff:fecd:f80) | 14:40 | |
| - sts-q (QUIT: Quit: sic.ha quits.) (~sts-q@2a01:41e1:622a:9000:6e62:6dff:fecd:f80) | 14:44 | |
| - chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a09:c300:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 14:51 | |
| - f_[xmpp] (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (fffdb90022@fases/developer/funderscore) | 15:01 | |
| + f_[xmpp] (fffdb90022@fases/developer/funderscore) | 15:03 | |
| josch | minute: https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-bottom-plate contains the line "4 neodymium bar magnets inserted into slots below the front edge; these match with their counterparts in the screen front" which is probably not relevant for the bottom acrylic and just some copypaste leftover? | 15:06 |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 15:08 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b01a4596c214b907e53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 15:16 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@2a01:599:204:c07e:d584:ab4c:203f:f940) | 15:20 | |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a09:c300:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 16:40 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~eibachd@2a01:599:204:c07e:d584:ab4c:203f:f940) | 17:08 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b00b13db8951f027019.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 17:08 | |
| + jacobk (~quassel@64.189.201.150) | 17:09 | |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~quassel@64.189.201.150) | 17:20 | |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 17:29 | |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~XYZ@78-80-124-62.customers.tmcz.cz) | 17:29 | |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-124-62.customers.tmcz.cz) | 17:30 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b00b13db8951f027019.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 17:55 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@2a01:599:204:c07e:d584:ab4c:203f:f940) | 17:57 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~eibachd@2a01:599:204:c07e:d584:ab4c:203f:f940) | 18:19 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b00456d6bfe9dddf1f9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 18:20 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 19:00 | |
| - unixpoet (QUIT: Quit: leaving) (~unixpoet@user/unixpoet) | 19:20 | |
| + unixpoet (~unixpoet@user/unixpoet) | 19:21 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b00456d6bfe9dddf1f9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 19:50 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b00cbf25673045879dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 19:50 | |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 20:18 | |
| BoostisBetter | minute: when you were prototyping and getting the case and components all sorted for the Reform, did you find it overwhelming at first? All the things to consider, the revisions, etc? | 20:43 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: or do you feel that it is all very manageable? | 20:43 |
| - nsc (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~nicolas@144-49-142-46.pool.kielnet.net) | 20:44 | |
| + nsc (~nicolas@232-99-142-46.pool.kielnet.net) | 20:46 | |
| minute | josch: true, thank you | 21:05 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: not sure how to answer this question—building the first reform was quite a long time ago | 21:07 |
| minute | i can say that doing it again now for pocket reform, even if it has less parts, is feeling quite grindy and the devil is in the details and how they fit together | 21:07 |
| minute | so yeah, it is quite challenging to put a device like this together. | 21:08 |
| f_ | minute: but you're still doing it! :) | 21:21 |
| - cwebber (QUIT: Quit: ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.1)) (~user@user/cwebber) | 21:39 | |
| minute | f_: because i need computers like these to exist :D | 21:39 |
| f_ | :D | 21:40 |
| hramrach | you are not alone in that but not everyone has the tenacity to go far enough to make something usable | 21:41 |
| f_ | ^^ | 21:41 |
| f_ | Now we need FOSSi | 21:42 |
| f_ | open source silicon. | 21:42 |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~XYZ@78-80-124-62.customers.tmcz.cz) | 21:43 | |
| hramrach | like there is this attempt https://gitlab.com/mutantC/mutantc-hardware which is much more punk using pretty much only standard parts but also barely usable | 21:43 |
| f_ | minute: MNT CPU2 ;P | 21:43 |
| minute | f_: reminds me i need to test the new naxriscv-litex | 21:46 |
| f_ | eh what | 21:46 |
| f_ | What's this? | 21:46 |
| minute | hramrach: reminds me of OQO | 21:47 |
| minute | f_: litex is an open SoC toolkit for fpgas | 21:48 |
| f_ | right. | 21:48 |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-124-62.customers.tmcz.cz) | 21:48 | |
| minute | https://spinalhdl.github.io/NaxRiscv-Rtd/main/NaxRiscv/introduction/index.html | 21:49 |
| hramrach | OQO had custom keyboard that was presumably designed to be usable, and even a trackball | 21:49 |
| minute | we have a kintex-7 module for reform that is meant to experiment with this kind of stuff | 21:49 |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 21:49 | |
| hramrach | the microswitch array on the other hand, meh | 21:50 |
| minute | hramrach: yeah, that's why we decided to make special small keycaps for pocket reform | 21:51 |
| minute | to be able to use kailh chocs | 21:51 |
| + cwebber- (~Christine@97.ip-167-114-155.net) | 21:52 | |
| hramrach | they were probably not a thing when mutantC was designed, stuff changes | 21:53 |
| josch | does somebody know and can recommend a good FOSS graphics benchmark that will run on all reform boards? I found glmark2. Is there more that i can run and that gives me a pretty number i can use to compare? | 22:01 |
| - cwebber- (QUIT: Quit: crossing the threshold of Lugonu's domain) (~Christine@97.ip-167-114-155.net) | 22:23 | |
| + cwebber (~Christine@user/cwebber) | 22:24 | |
| minute | josch: glmark2-es2-wayland is def. a good one | 22:26 |
| minute | josch: do you want to mainly benchmark the GPU? | 22:27 |
| hramrach | Furmark does not seem opensource, unfortunately. In addition to benchmaring it does stress-testing (of dubious value because it's designed for desktop GPUs) and correctness testing | 22:32 |
| josch | minute: also the cpu but i have compiling linux and compressing things for that | 22:44 |
| josch | talking of cpu benchmarks, imx8mq just looks sad XD https://paste.debian.net/1300079/ | 22:50 |
| mhoye | josch: was it you who said they had a way of stabilizing or solidifying the keyboard? | 22:59 |
| minute | josch: what's the command to get this benchmark? | 23:02 |
| josch | minute: phoronix-test-suite benchmark system/compress-zstd | 23:03 |
| minute | josch: phoronix-test-suite is not in debian, or...? | 23:04 |
| josch | mhoye: i printed myself this: https://community.mnt.re/t/reform-mod-idea-internal-keyboard-brace/1373 | 23:05 |
| josch | minute: yes, i got it from their git | 23:05 |
| minute | ah | 23:06 |
| josch | minute: though some mysterious person with kernel 5.10 and only 8 GB ram seems to have already supplied ls1028a results to openbenchmarking.org :) | 23:13 |
| - cow321 (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~deflated8@50.39.247.54) | 23:44 | |
| - eibachd (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b00cbf25673045879dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 23:55 | |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@p200300dcf73d8b002f6011f40671ded3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 23:56 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.2 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!