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+ HamSoloe (~HamSoloe@119-18-30-21.77121e.mel.static.aussiebb.net)01:27
HamSoloehello! I'm about to try updating the LPC firmware on my A311D Reform and downloaded build artifacts for 2023-11-24 release from https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/artifacts . Within the zip there's firmware-20_R3.bin and firmware-25_R2.bin. Which of these should I be moving to bin/firmware.bin so that flash.sh works? Or have I got completely the01:31
HamSoloewrong idea here?01:31
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minuteHamSoloe: it depends on your motherboard revision01:37
minuteHamSoloe: is this a reform you recently bought directly from us (mnt shop)?01:37
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HamSoloeminute: it's one you recently sent back to Australia after warranty repair :)01:38
minuteHamSoloe: ah, right! i don't remember the MB revision sadly ^^ but josch just made a handy page for this https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/issues/401:38
minuteHamSoloe: so you only have to find this badge/info box on the motherboard01:38
minuteHamSoloe: other ways to identify: 2.0 is glossy black soldermask, 2.5 matte. 2.0 has TUSB8041 USB hub that is the same size and at the same horizontal position as the edp converter. 2.5 has TUSB8040 that is a little bigger and offset01:40
minute(those are the big ICs on the left hand side near the usb ports)01:40
minuteHamSoloe: there are photos and closeups of 2.5 here https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-motherboard-2501:41
HamSoloeminute: perfect thanks! I think I'm 2.0, but will verify it more thoroughly before flashing01:41
minutealright01:42
minuteHamSoloe: ah, another dead giveaway is actually the port used for flashing!01:42
minute2.5 has usb-c, 2.0 micro-usb01:42
HamSoloedeffo 2.0!01:42
minutesorry i didn't think of this earlier, it's almost 2am and i'm a bit sleepy :D01:43
HamSoloeno worries! go to bed, haha01:44
HamSoloeI also get meson_pcie errors saying device wasn't initialised, so mini pci-e SSD isn't working currently...I don't know if this is just a linux kernel thing, though01:45
minuteHamSoloe: which mpcie card?01:51
minuteah, m.2 ssd in adapter?01:51
HamSoloethe little adapter yeah01:51
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minuteHamSoloe: which ssd model was that?01:51
HamSoloesome Transcend model, not sure exactly but can find out01:52
minuteah, probably the original one that we sold back in the day?01:52
minuteor crowd supply01:52
HamSoloeyeah, I think so01:52
minuteafaik it is compatible but i can doublecheck tomorrow if you ping me here between like 4-8pm CEST01:53
minuteanother thing to check is if we applied this fix on the adapter https://community.mnt.re/t/nvme-not-working-with-rcm4-fix-for-m-2-adapters/167401:54
minutebut it should be there01:54
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f_BoostisBetter: sounds like a client issue.12:06
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joschokay, so maybe this is a bit embarrassing but the reform motherboard 2.5 will be the first device i own with a usb-c plug. So i'm a total usb-c noob and i wanted to ask some questions, just to be on the safe side and have everything ready once my motherboard arrives:15:48
joscha) i assume the motherboard comes without any cables (at least it doesn't say so on the shop page) so i'm now buying new adapters cables so that i can flash the lpc from my reform which only has USB A sockets15:51
joschb) so could I buy this USB A plug to USB C socket adapter: https://www.reichelt.de/adapter-usb-2-0-a-stecker-c-buchse-shvp-bs1405018-p241096.html and then15:52
joschc) use the USB C cable my partner uses to charge their smartphone to connect my reform to my new mainboard 2.5 to flash the lpc?15:52
joschor would you recommend a USB C cable that is not a "charging cable"?15:52
joschor would you recommend a cable that has USB C on one side and USB A on the other side instead of such a tiny adapter?15:53
joschas i said: usb c noob XD15:53
sknebelit'd be a problem if the "charging cable" really only has the power wires 15:53
sknebelwhich I'm not sure I've seen with USB-C, but would not be surprised if its a thing15:53
sknebelother than that I assume it doesnt need any fancy cable, since its going to do basic USB2 or whatever15:54
jnalso, something not relevant to your current situation, but perhaps later: A-C cables can't do the higher power modes, so you won't have a good time charging anything big with it. i think (though might be wrong) the limit for type A is 5V @ 1A = 5W15:55
josch(also not relevant here but i've seen USB A phone chargers that claimed to do 9 V but maybe those are outside the spec)15:56
joschjn: actually that would be an advantage of an A-C cable, no? Because if I indeed am buying a new C-C cable, then how do I later know with which cable I can do charging at 60 W and with which i cannot?15:58
joschwith an A-C cable i can immediately see that it definitely cannot do higher voltages15:58
jnnot quite: in an alternate universe where type A supported the higher voltages, you'd have no disadvantage from that15:59
jnin other words being aware of the limitation is only useful because there is this limitation16:00
jnthe limitation isn't useful in itself16:00
joschsure16:00
jnregarding specs: there are a few weird vendor specs (from Qualcomm and possibly others), and then there's USB PD, the Power Delivery protocol, which is what you'd want today16:01
joschbut do you happen to know whether the PD cable I do have could potentially not support being used just for data?16:02
josch(like USB 2 had cable with just the two power wires connected but not the two data wires so it was charging only)16:02
jnnot sure if that's legal (per USB specs), but it might still be the case, with a badly built cable, or a cable that intentionally doesn't provide a data connection16:02
joschACTION is not sure anymore whether the switch to USB C for the reform mainboard 2.5 was such an "upgrade" XD16:03
jnPD negotiation uses different pins/wires than the USB 2.0 and 3.x data connections, so i think it's possible to build such a cable (but, again, i don't know if it's legal)16:03
jnUSB type C is complex topic if you want to understand all the details (and i don't understand all the details!) but ultimately, you can try things until a constellation of devices and cables works16:04
joschyeah, i wanted to avoid the "trying" part :)16:05
sknebelI mean theres at max one iteration for you: try the USB-C cable you have. if it works,great, otherwise you need to buy/find a proper one16:06
sknebelif you go the adapter route16:07
joschyes16:08
joschi know i can do that16:08
joschsince i wanted to avoid the round-trip i thought i ask instead :)16:09
hramrachnobody can see inside your cables ;-)16:09
hramrachyou can try a multimeter but that's pretty annoying with USB C16:09
joschhramrach: true but maybe there was a definite answer like "if it can do usb pd for a smartphone then it definitely can do data"16:10
joschnow i know that this is not necessarily the case16:10
hramrachthe main advantage of USB C is that the connector is reversible so you do not have to wonder which way to plug it in16:10
hramrachanything USB related should be the same between A and C, things like Thunderbolt or HDMI likely require USB C. MHL used B connector but i don't think that's part of USB standard.16:13
hramrachhm, looks like current revisions of PD require the C connector, earlier revisions could do with A, likely obsolete by now16:23
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Zabajosch: A plug to C socket adapters are non-standard and potentially dangerous22:43
Zaba(they make it altogether too easy to connect two A ports that weren't designed for that together, for example)22:44
Zabaalso, I think pretty much all usb-c cables in existence have the usb 2.0 data lines, it's the higher speeds that are often missing in charging cables22:44
joschhrm... i see22:47
joschi thought that getting the A plug to C socket adapter was smart considering that it will become harder to find devices with A sockets going forward, so better a tiny adapter that i might soon not need anymore than a whole cable that becomes obsolete22:48
Zabayeah, i mean it will probably work for this purpose since it most definitely has usb 2.0 data, just be aware that it's non-standard and therefore sketchy :D22:50
joschthank you for the advice! :)22:51
hramrachACTION uses USB A-A cables22:59
Zabayeah i mean they definitely have their uses23:00
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